There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is one of the most sensible threads you have ever made. Yes, Obama was way out of his league making a stupid deal with Iran, delivering billions of dollars to their door step, allowing Iran to export terrorism throughout the region, allowing Iran to work on ballistic missiles which could eventually reach the US, and allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons after 10 years. You don't get any more stupider than that.

This illegal, unwarranted war is the consequence of the arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity of Trump regime.

 

[jc456]

This illegal, unwarranted war is the consequence of the arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity of Trump regime.

Why do say illegal?

 

[jc456]

This illegal, unwarranted war is the consequence of the arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity of Trump regime.

Uninformed

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.​

Khamenei was their leader since 1989, but yeah, a case could be made that believing in radical Islam is ignorance.

 

[mudwhistle]

look what they are doing in the Strait, yeah, no threat. They have thousands of funky missiles, drones and shooting them everywhere, but they are no threat. 400 kilos of 60% enriched materials, that they can do whatever with. but not a threat. They have sleeper cells all over the globe!!!!! WTF is wrong with some of you fking stupid fks.

They killed Israeli citizens yesterday with those cluster bombs.

No threat?

 

[mudwhistle]

There is no evidence that an imminent military strike on America or American forces in the region was being prepared. They were in the middle of negotiations and by several accounts, were willing to give up all their uranium hexafluoride. Then Benedict Donald launched his dubious surprise attack.

Imminent attacks on America isn't the standard here.

They were a threat to the region and thus a threat to our national security.

 

[Rawley]

Let's get real here.

The Zionists have been claiming the Iranians were "weeks from getting the bomb" for 30 years now.

(By comparison, it was only six years between Einstein sending a letter proposing a Nuclear Bomb to FDR and having one ready to drop on Japan)

This was never about a bomb. This was always about Iran spreading its politics across the region.

Is there any thread where your answer isn't DA JOOOOS?

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[berg80]

Imminent attacks on America isn't the standard here.

They were a threat to the region and thus a threat to our national security.

IOW, the threat is defined any way the regime needs it to be defined to justify going to war. If there was a credible case to be made Dotard should have taken it to Congress as the Constitution calls for.

 

[berg80]

Allow me to remind you nothing members of the regime say can be trusted. Did you believe there were WMD's?

 

[mudwhistle]

IOW, the threat is defined any way the regime needs it to be defined to justify going to war. If there was a credible case to be made Dotard should have taken it to Congress as the Constitution calls for.

Funny how you dipshits always do this with Trump.....but never did it with Bye-dumb or Bath house Barry.

They didn't need any justification for the wars they caused. Ukraine was Bye-dumb's screwup.....and you idiots fell in line and started flying your little Ukrainian flags even though Bye-dumb said Russia was just making a little excursion into Ukraine.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

24 May 2021

IAEA Director General Says Agreement Reached on Verification and Monitoring in Iran

Under their agreement, the information collected by the Agency monitoring equipment covered by a Technical Understanding signed last February will continue to be stored ...
They also agreed that the equipment will continue to operate and be able to collect and store further data for this period.

The inspections stopped when Trump bombed their nuclear sites in 2025.

In 2021 they got in a few token inspections, after how many years of being denied?

There’s not a lot to inspect while looking at a smoking hole in the ground.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Who will be the new BOOGIEMAN for the left?

Sanity.



Of course, that is the old bogeyman as well.

 

[jc456]

They killed Israeli citizens yesterday with those cluster bombs.

No threat?

two old folks. see any of the antisemites saying anything about those two unalived citizens? It was quite the nasty looking explosion. Just that missile type is truly lethal. Even if you blow it up, it still spews it's load.

 

[Mac1958]

Just Get Out! Now!​

As is becoming clearer from President Trump’s own statements and those of his staff, along with press reporting, the US has launched a major war without the input of the experts we pay to advise the President on such matters. The State Department, Pentagon, National Security Council Staff, Defense Intelligence Agency, and NSA were simply bypassed because, as White House Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said, President Trump “had a feeling” Iran would attack.

The President’s real estate developer son-in-law and friend reinforced that “feeling” when they returned from the second round of talks with the Iranian foreign minister and his team. However, as the news outlet Responsible Statecraft (RS) reported over the weekend, both son-in-law Jared Kushner and friend Steve Witkoff appear to have mis-represented those talks in a way that helped push President Trump toward war. No State Department officials were on hand to ensure the reporting was accurate.

Also, arms control experts at home, according to the RS report, believe that “the duo appeared to have fatally misunderstood a series of basic technical and historical matters” regarding Iran’s nuclear program leading to inaccurate information conveyed to the President.

Just Get Out! Now! - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

As is becoming clearer from President Trump’s own statements and those of his staff, along with press reporting, the US has launched a major war without the input of the experts we pay to advise the President on such matters. The State Department, Pentagon, National Security Council Staff...

ronpaulinstitute.org

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say
Confusion on whether Iran truly needed only “two weeks to four weeks” to make a nuclear weapon, as President Donald Trump suggested on Monday, hangs over the ongoing U.S. and Israeli war on the Persian Gulf nation. Nuclear experts call this claim unlikely—but the confusion may stem from some basics of atomic chemistry.

“There was no evidence that Iran was close to a nuclear weapon,” says Jeffrey Lewis of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. His comment echoed those of other experts after the war’s start, as well as statements from International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi at that time and in 2025 and last year’s “threat assessment” report by U.S. intelligence agencies.

According to an IAEA estimate, as of June 2025, Iran possessed 441 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, where the percentage refers to the share of the isotope uranium 235 (U 235) found in the material. That would be enough for 10 nuclear weapons if the material could be enriched further to full 90 percent weapons-grade concentrations, according to the IAEA. That further enrichment would take a matter of weeks in a fully functioning Iranian nuclear complex, perhaps explaining the time line within Trump’s declaration.

That step alone doesn’t equal a bomb, however. And Iran’s main enrichment capabilities were “completely and totally obliterated,” according to Trump himself in June, after the U.S. bombed three underground Iranian facilities. The administration’s special envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff nonetheless claimed on March 3, after the start of the current war, that Iran had the capability to make 11 nuclear bombs. Trump administration officials reportedly failed to include nuclear technical experts in their negotiation teams with Iran prior to the war, adding to the uncertainty. If Iran really had rebuilt these facilities, that might have led—over months and not weeks—to the nation resuming its uranium enrichment, Lewis says. “But this is all ‘if,’ ‘maybe’ and ‘later,’” he adds.

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say

Although President Trump has claimed Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon, much more work was needed for the country to do so

www.scientificamerican.com

Never send a boy to do a man's job. In the sense of engaging in complex negotiations about Iran's uranium enrichment program, Steve and Jared were infants.

Nuclear experts undercut White House claims about Iran reactor at heart of case for war​

The Trump administration sent negotiators without nuclear expertise to lead talks on Iran’s enrichment program. Now, its public case for war centers on a facility that experts say cannot do what officials claim.

Nuclear experts undercut White House claims about Iran reactor at heart of case for war

The Trump administration sent negotiators without nuclear expertise to lead talks on Iran’s enrichment program. Now, its public case for war centers on a facility that experts say cannot do what officials claim.

www.ms.now

If Steve Witkoff is one of Don's good golfing buddies and Jared is a swell husband to Ivanka that's all fine and dandy. But friendship and familial relations aren't the necessary qualifications needed to negotiate on important, technical matters with war in the balance. The question I would want answered if I were the parents of one of the dead US soldiers is why were Witkoff and Kushner even in the room while negotiations were being held? Negotiations that nonetheless produced a positive result.

Iran agreed to ‘zero stockpiling’ of nuclear material in US talks: Omani foreign minister

Oman’s foreign minister said Friday that Iran is offering to give up stockpiling enriched uranium as part of a deal with the U.S. related to its nuclear program.

Foreign Minister Badr al-Busaidi is serving as the mediator between U.S. and Iranian officials in Geneva.

“Now we are talking about zero stockpiling and that is very, very important because if you cannot stockpile material that is enriched, then there is no way you can actually create a bomb,” al-Busaidi told Margaret Brennan of CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5759623-iran-nuclear-deal-stockpiling/

But that offer wasn't good enough for Bebe. I would argue he preferred war to a negotiated agreement on the enrichment program. So he convinced trump to come along for the ride.

Even worse when you add in mental illness, megalomania, craven sycophancy and unlimited power.

 

[jc456]

Even worse when you add in mental illness, megalomania, craven sycophancy and unlimited power.

we get you!

 

[mudwhistle]

two old folks. see any of the antisemites saying anything about those two unalived citizens? It was quite the nasty looking explosion. Just that missile type is truly lethal. Even if you blow it up, it still spews it's load.

It's also illegal....to us.....not to our enemies.

 

[BlindBoo]

Imminent attacks on America isn't the standard here.

They were a threat to the region and thus a threat to our national security.

You are mistaken.

International law, specifically Article 51 of the UN Charter, recognizes an inherent right to self-defense if an armed attack occurs. While Article 51 strictly mentions an actual attack, it is widely accepted that anticipatory self-defense is permitted against an "imminent" (immediate/inevitable) attack, though "preventive" strikes against mere future threats are prohibited

 

[Captain Creeper]

Let's get real here.

The Zionists have been claiming the Iranians were "weeks from getting the bomb" for 30 years now.

(By comparison, it was only six years between Einstein sending a letter proposing a Nuclear Bomb to FDR and having one ready to drop on Japan)

This was never about a bomb. This was always about Iran spreading its politics across the region.

"The Zionists" - Or, how to say you hate Jews without actually saying the words

 

[blackhawk]

It cracks me up that even though Iran has been a pain in the worlds ass since 1979 so many people including many of the so called experts think it’s something that developed in the last couple of weeks.