A Gathering Consensus

[berg80]

Iran never shutdown its nuclear weapons program, it was just limited "theoretically" to how much uranium it could enrich.
I post facts, you type lies.

Short answer: No — Iran has never been confirmed to have fully and permanently shut down all of its nuclear weapons–related work. It halted parts of its suspected weapons program at times, especially in the early 2000s, but did not dismantle it completely


View attachment 1266456.<---------Ernest Moniz, stupid leftist by definition.

I guess I'm not surprised that you would mock a physicist, Obama's Sec. of Energy. Someone with infinitely more expertise in negotiating aspects of Iran's nuclear restrictions under the JCPOA than Jared or Steve Witkoff.

This just being a somewhat silly message board for people with too much time on their hands I try not to take it too seriously. But I confess to being annoyed with someone like yourself who pretends to possess the facts while doing nothing but distorting the truth. The objective of the JCPOA was to constrain Iran’s nuclear program and impede progress toward a nuclear weapon. It's impossible to assess what the recent agreement will do because negotiations over Iran's nuclear ambitions have been put off. But in all likelihood.........

Obama questions Trump's Iran deal as peace talks reach critical stage​

In a televised interview, Barack Obama argued that any forthcoming US-Iran agreement will likely not be a "significant improvement" over the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) his administration brokered. He stressed that diplomacy, even if imperfect, is preferable to military escalation, warning that Washington cannot "just bully our way or bomb our way to solutions." His remarks come as Trump promotes his pending deal as a complete block on Iran’s nuclear ambitions, contrasting it with what he calls the JCPOA’s permissiveness.

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Iran shipped over 11 tons of low-enriched uranium materials, about 98% of its existing stockpile, to Russia in compliance with the JCPOA. Yet you say........."Iran has never been confirmed to have fully and permanently shut down all of its nuclear weapons–related work."

Will you consider trump's deal a failure unless it fully and permanently shut down all of its nuclear weapons–related work?

 

[DGS49]

The problem with any agreement with Iran (or any other Muslim country) is that one cannot control all of the actors in the scenario. The President has apparently negotiated an agreement with Iran's civilian government (with many details unknown or to be determined), but that government obviously does not control the IRGC or the Iranian military. Trump says that the head Mullah has signed off, which would seem to bind the IRGC, but do we even know for certain that that personage is even alive? Perhaps not.

Even so, Trump has,

• Effected "regime change" in Iran, literally by killing the top level of leadership, possibly more levels and more than once,
• Decimated (look it up) Iran's Navy and Air Force,
• Dealt the economy a crippling blow, even as it was teetering on the brink of national insolvency before our intervention,
• Decimated Iran's capacity to produce long range missiles and drones,
• Identified the remaining threats to Iran's neighbors, so that retaliation for future atrocities can be pointed and effective,
• Killed Iran's program to produce nuclear bombs, at least for the foreseeable future,
• Re-opened the infamous waterway,

and done all of this with minimal civilian casualties, and minimal loss of American lives.

The American Left and Media will focus on the things that Trump's efforts have NOT accomplished - mainly political regime change and Iran's continuing international belligerence - but if you are keeping score, Trump's initiatives have had a net beneficial effect, regardless of how the next six months plays out.

And if you are keeping score POLITICALLY, the success will be measured by gas prices in the U.S.