There's a case to be made that inexperience and ignorance lead us to war.

[mudwhistle]

Based on false information.

 

[martybegan]

I know one Iranian person with whom I have had a few conversations about life there before she left. The government is a repressive theocracy favored by enough Iranians to keep it in power. That isn't an indictment of all Iranians. But many are making life miserable for all.

"enough Iranians" can be a pretty small number considering the regime controls the weapons and is very willing to use them as seen by the tens of thousands of people killed during the last uprising.

 

[BlindBoo]

Based on false information.

Imo, his opinion was influenced by Bibi, who obviously swayed him with a sophisticated and detailed visual presentation.

 

[berg80]

View attachment 1232235

Read post #1.

 

[berg80]

Imo, his opinion was influenced by Bibi, who obviously swayed him with a sophisticated and detailed visual presentation.

More likely a cartoon, trump's favorite way of having his PDB (which isn't daily) presented to him. He spends more time having his hair and makeup done than he does with security briefings.

 

[berg80]

The U.S. first built and provided the Tehran Research Reactor to Iran in 1967 as part of the “Atoms for Peace” program that began under President Dwight Eisenhower. The initiative aimed to expand civilian nuclear capabilities for electricity, medicine and other domestic purposes.

The reactor requires 20%-enriched fuel and a relatively minimally enriched amount compared with the material required for the production of a nuclear weapon. Under the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement, known as the JCPOA, the reactor would have access to no more than 5 kilograms of 20%-enriched uranium at a time, supplied from outside the country and monitored by inspectors.

The reactor has not come under IAEA scrutiny for suspected nuclear development in more than 25 years, according to Katariina Simonen, a board member of Pugwash Conferences of Science and World Affairs and an adjunct professor at the Finnish National Defence University.

Gosh, too bad the orange brain stem tore up the JCPOA.

 

[mudwhistle]

Read post #1.

There isn't enough evidence in the OP to prove that Iran wasn't still fully involved in building a weapon.

The threat was always there. Whether they were capable of doing it on their own was never the real issue. That was just a false claim by the media and the Obama/Biden administrations.

The chance of them acquiring nukes was increasing and becoming more threatening by the day. Trump decided that waiting on them till after the mid-terms was untenable. If Democrats take back the house they'll immediately file articles of impeachment. That's what they said they'll do.

This mission is as much their fault as anyone's.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Just Get Out! Now!​

As is becoming clearer from President Trump’s own statements and those of his staff, along with press reporting, the US has launched a major war without the input of the experts we pay to advise the President on such matters. The State Department, Pentagon, National Security Council Staff, Defense Intelligence Agency, and NSA were simply bypassed because, as White House Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said, President Trump “had a feeling” Iran would attack.

The President’s real estate developer son-in-law and friend reinforced that “feeling” when they returned from the second round of talks with the Iranian foreign minister and his team. However, as the news outlet Responsible Statecraft (RS) reported over the weekend, both son-in-law Jared Kushner and friend Steve Witkoff appear to have mis-represented those talks in a way that helped push President Trump toward war. No State Department officials were on hand to ensure the reporting was accurate.

Also, arms control experts at home, according to the RS report, believe that “the duo appeared to have fatally misunderstood a series of basic technical and historical matters” regarding Iran’s nuclear program leading to inaccurate information conveyed to the President.

Just Get Out! Now! - The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity

As is becoming clearer from President Trump’s own statements and those of his staff, along with press reporting, the US has launched a major war without the input of the experts we pay to advise the President on such matters. The State Department, Pentagon, National Security Council Staff...

ronpaulinstitute.org

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say
Confusion on whether Iran truly needed only “two weeks to four weeks” to make a nuclear weapon, as President Donald Trump suggested on Monday, hangs over the ongoing U.S. and Israeli war on the Persian Gulf nation. Nuclear experts call this claim unlikely—but the confusion may stem from some basics of atomic chemistry.

“There was no evidence that Iran was close to a nuclear weapon,” says Jeffrey Lewis of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. His comment echoed those of other experts after the war’s start, as well as statements from International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Rafael Grossi at that time and in 2025 and last year’s “threat assessment” report by U.S. intelligence agencies.

According to an IAEA estimate, as of June 2025, Iran possessed 441 kilograms of 60 percent enriched uranium, where the percentage refers to the share of the isotope uranium 235 (U 235) found in the material. That would be enough for 10 nuclear weapons if the material could be enriched further to full 90 percent weapons-grade concentrations, according to the IAEA. That further enrichment would take a matter of weeks in a fully functioning Iranian nuclear complex, perhaps explaining the time line within Trump’s declaration.

That step alone doesn’t equal a bomb, however. And Iran’s main enrichment capabilities were “completely and totally obliterated,” according to Trump himself in June, after the U.S. bombed three underground Iranian facilities. The administration’s special envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff nonetheless claimed on March 3, after the start of the current war, that Iran had the capability to make 11 nuclear bombs. Trump administration officials reportedly failed to include nuclear technical experts in their negotiation teams with Iran prior to the war, adding to the uncertainty. If Iran really had rebuilt these facilities, that might have led—over months and not weeks—to the nation resuming its uranium enrichment, Lewis says. “But this is all ‘if,’ ‘maybe’ and ‘later,’” he adds.

Iran was nowhere close to a nuclear bomb, experts say

Although President Trump has claimed Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon, much more work was needed for the country to do so

www.scientificamerican.com

Never send a boy to do a man's job. In the sense of engaging in complex negotiations about Iran's uranium enrichment program, Steve and Jared were infants.

Nuclear experts undercut White House claims about Iran reactor at heart of case for war​

The Trump administration sent negotiators without nuclear expertise to lead talks on Iran’s enrichment program. Now, its public case for war centers on a facility that experts say cannot do what officials claim.

Nuclear experts undercut White House claims about Iran reactor at heart of case for war

The Trump administration sent negotiators without nuclear expertise to lead talks on Iran’s enrichment program. Now, its public case for war centers on a facility that experts say cannot do what officials claim.

www.ms.now

If Steve Witkoff is one of Don's good golfing buddies and Jared is a swell husband to Ivanka that's all fine and dandy. But friendship and familial relations aren't the necessary qualifications needed to negotiate on important, technical matters with war in the balance. The question I would want answered if I were the parents of one of the dead US soldiers is why were Witkoff and Kushner even in the room while negotiations were being held? Negotiations that nonetheless produced a positive result.

Iran agreed to ‘zero stockpiling’ of nuclear material in US talks: Omani foreign minister

Oman’s foreign minister said Friday that Iran is offering to give up stockpiling enriched uranium as part of a deal with the U.S. related to its nuclear program.

Foreign Minister Badr al-Busaidi is serving as the mediator between U.S. and Iranian officials in Geneva.

“Now we are talking about zero stockpiling and that is very, very important because if you cannot stockpile material that is enriched, then there is no way you can actually create a bomb,” al-Busaidi told Margaret Brennan of CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5759623-iran-nuclear-deal-stockpiling/

But that offer wasn't good enough for Bebe. I would argue he preferred war to a negotiated agreement on the enrichment program. So he convinced trump to come along for the ride.

47 years of these ******* “experts” got us here. They can all sit down and STFU. It’s being handled now.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

The U.S. first built and provided the Tehran Research Reactor to Iran in 1967 as part of the “Atoms for Peace” program that began under President Dwight Eisenhower. The initiative aimed to expand civilian nuclear capabilities for electricity, medicine and other domestic purposes.

The reactor requires 20%-enriched fuel and a relatively minimally enriched amount compared with the material required for the production of a nuclear weapon. Under the 2015 Iran nuclear agreement, known as the JCPOA, the reactor would have access to no more than 5 kilograms of 20%-enriched uranium at a time, supplied from outside the country and monitored by inspectors.

The reactor has not come under IAEA scrutiny for suspected nuclear development in more than 25 years, according to Katariina Simonen, a board member of Pugwash Conferences of Science and World Affairs and an adjunct professor at the Finnish National Defence University.

Gosh, too bad the orange brain stem tore up the JCPOA.

The same agreement they wouldn’t let inspectors come in to inspect. You’re an idiot.

 

[postman]

There isn't enough evidence in the OP to prove that Iran wasn't still fully involved in building a weapon.

The threat was always there. Whether they were capable of doing it on their own was never the real issue. That was just a false claim by the media and the Obama/Biden administrations.

The chance of them acquiring nukes was increasing and becoming more threatening by the day. Trump decided that waiting on them till after the mid-terms was untenable. If Democrats take back the house they'll immediately file articles of impeachment. That's what they said they'll do.

This mission is as much their fault as anyone's.

Then explain why Iran had the means (two weeks away from) making bomb grade material since at least 2023.

But never tried to make a bomb or the fuel for it?

 

[mudwhistle]

Then explain why Iran had the means (two weeks away from) making bomb grade material since at least 2023.

But never tried to make a bomb or the fuel for it?

They never tried?

 

[sartre play]

Imagine there is a trouble maker family in your neighborhood. They and their teenage sons throw Ioud parties, often shoot fireworks Iate at night, threaten their neighbors, park their cars in other people's yards, and generaIIy make a nuisance of themseIves to everyone around them. The IocaI constabulary is worthless. They are particularly hostile to one family in the neighborhood, threatening to "kiII" them with some regularity.

Some friends of the Iatter family who Iive across town come in one night, under cover of darkness, and beat the shit out of aII the maIe members of the offending family - the patriarch of the family actuaIIy dies from his injuries sustained in the attack. That attack was iIIegaI, tortuous, and inexcusable.

But you kinda liked it. When questioned, no one in the neighborhood "saw anything."

Get it?

Sometimes when the right thing is done, even if ruIes were broken, it is stiII a good thing. Just Iike it was in VenezueIa, just Iike it wiII be presentIy in Cuba. And maybe even in GreenIand.

When rules are broken, We are starting down the wrong path.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Putting aside that ludicrous assertion they have no expertise in the matter they were negotiating.

exactly the criteria already in place for eligibility

 

[postman]

The same agreement they wouldn’t let inspectors come in to inspect. You’re an idiot.

24 May 2021

IAEA Director General Says Agreement Reached on Verification and Monitoring in Iran

Under their agreement, the information collected by the Agency monitoring equipment covered by a Technical Understanding signed last February will continue to be stored ...
They also agreed that the equipment will continue to operate and be able to collect and store further data for this period.

The inspections stopped when Trump bombed their nuclear sites in 2025.

 

[BlindBoo]

More likely a cartoon, trump's favorite way of having his PDB (which isn't daily) presented to him. He spends more time having his hair and makeup done than he does with security briefings.

The secret intelligence has been leaked.

 

[berg80]

There isn't enough evidence in the OP to prove that Iran wasn't still fully involved in building a weapon.

There isn't enough evidence in the universe to convince you of something you don't want to believe.

 

[mudwhistle]

There isn't enough evidence in the universe to convince you of something you don't want to believe.

There is no evidence that Iran isn't a threat.

I can believe that they are and that China and Russia are helping them.

Ask yourself why Iran can get away with using illegal munitions on Israel?

Aren't cluster-bombs illegal?

 

[BlindBoo]

There is no evidence that Iran isn't a threat.

I can believe that they are and that China and Russia are helping them.

Ask yourself why Iran can get away with using illegal munitions on Israel?

Aren't cluster-bombs illegal?

There is no evidence that an imminent military strike on America or American forces in the region was being prepared. They were in the middle of negotiations and by several accounts, were willing to give up all their uranium hexafluoride. Then Benedict Donald launched his dubious surprise attack.

 

[jc456]

Let's get real here.

The Zionists have been claiming the Iranians were "weeks from getting the bomb" for 30 years now.

(By comparison, it was only six years between Einstein sending a letter proposing a Nuclear Bomb to FDR and having one ready to drop on Japan)

This was never about a bomb. This was always about Iran spreading its politics across the region.

well they did admit having over 400 Kilos of 60% materials that could be put on missiles? Here, he'll tell you himself. At the 37 second mark of the video

 

[jc456]

There is no evidence that Iran isn't a threat.

I can believe that they are and that China and Russia are helping them.

Ask yourself why Iran can get away with using illegal munitions on Israel?

Aren't cluster-bombs illegal?

look what they are doing in the Strait, yeah, no threat. They have thousands of funky missiles, drones and shooting them everywhere, but they are no threat. 400 kilos of 60% enriched materials, that they can do whatever with. but not a threat. They have sleeper cells all over the globe!!!!! WTF is wrong with some of you fking stupid fks.