Zone1 The Seven years of Tribulation

[expat_panama]

huh, Jesus said (in Matthew) to go to Daniel, and u went instead to Revelation.

OK, what the heck. If u don't want to dig into it I can understand, it either depends on how much u care and whether ur in the middle of other stuff, like maybe having a life? ;-)

On the outside chance that u both care and aren't plagued by real life stuff, u could consider (1) taking the time to quote and post the Biblical passages and (2) having the humility for when there can be more than one interpretation. That's a lot more work though...

 

[surada]

huh, Jesus said (in Matthew) to go to Daniel, and u went instead to Revelation.

OK, what the heck. If u don't want to dig into it I can understand, it either depends on how much u care and whether ur in the middle of other stuff, like maybe having a life? ;-)

On the outside chance that u both care and aren't plagued by real life stuff, u could consider (1) taking the time to quote and post the Biblical passages and (2) having the humility for when there can be more than one interpretation. That's a lot more work though...

The book of Daniel was finished in 164 BC. Revelation was either in 75 AD or 95 AD.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

greetings
can you please tell me what are you guys trying to accomplish, what is the source of your argument,
motion is moving, and things are happening in the spirit realm, this will pass you
they can only tolerate to a point, they are not human, spirits are spirits
this is called frustrating the body of Christ, or grieving the Holy Spirit, already some of you already blaspheme the Holy Spirit, is your mind set?
or it could be the heart

 

[surada]

greetings
can you please tell me what are you guys trying to accomplish, what is the source of your argument,
motion is moving, and things are happening in the spirit realm, this will pass you
they can only tolerate to a point, they are not human, spirits are spirits
this is called frustrating the body of Christ, or grieving the Holy Spirit, already some of you already blaspheme the Holy Spirit, is your mind set?
or it could be the heart

Revelation is very clear.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Revelation is very clear.

what are you trying to accomplish?
not knowing the spirit of revelation

 

[surada]

what are you trying to accomplish?

Just keep it simple and don't cave in to modern day prophets and charlatans.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Just keep it simple and don't cave in to modern day prophets and charlatans.

then you must filter out charlatans, there in modern-day prophets, the prophets of the future are the prophets of the past, and the spirit of prophecy is the Spirit of Elijah, when this Spirit manifests all people will be flabbergasted they will fall on their face, then you know the revelation
only unique will possess the Holy Spirit, all others are as you say your charlatans
no one is going around saying I have the Holy Spirit, and say I am he

 

[surada]

then you must filter out charlatans, there in modern-day prophets, the prophets of the future are the prophets of the past, and the spirit of prophecy is the Spirit of Elijah, when this Spirit manifests all people will be flabbergasted they will fall on their face, then you know the revelation
only unique will possess the Holy Spirit, all others are as you say your charlatans

Maybe you're right. Atlanta, Georgia has several schools for prophets.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Maybe you're right. Atlanta, Georgia has several schools for prophets.

it not wrong to learn what is true prophets, they may be a candidate, to carry the Holy Spirit if they prove himself or herself to be worthy to hold and be a vessel

 

[surada]

it not wrong to learn what is true prophets, they may be a candidate, to carry the Holy Spirit if they prove himself or herself to be worthy to hold and be a vessel

I think it's $5,000 for 13 weeks.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

I think it's $5,000 for 13 weeks.

try this perry stone ministry, for $100 and less you get your money's worth

 

[surada]

try this perry stone ministry, for $100 and less you get your money's worth

Does he run a school for prophets?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

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[OneIsTheWord]

Does he run a school for prophets?

see look for yourself let your eyes be your judge
ISOW is a school for many

 

[surada]

see look for yourself let your eyes be your judge
ISOW is a school for many

Perry makes some good points. Don't they apply to the name callers sowing dissension?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Perry makes some good points. Don't they apply to the name callers sowing dissension?

I give you these words

Matthew 6:33-34 (NKJV) But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Matthew 7:7-8 (NKJV) "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

John 16:22-24 (NKJV) Therefore you now have sorrow, but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you.
And on that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you.
Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.

1 Thessalonians 5:14-22 (NKJV) Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all.
See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
Rejoice always,
pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not despise prophecies.
Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Abstain from every form of evil.

 

[kjw47]

Greetings
What does the bible say about THE GREAT TRIBULATION?
What will the end be like?
If I may, let's see what the word says?

In DANIEL 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of the people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time the people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in this book.

The Book of Life and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake. Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
It will be the worst time in history.

MATTHEW 24:1-28 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the sake of the elect, those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christ’s and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, so shall also the coming of the son of man be.
For whosesoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

REVELATION 6:10-12 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

REVELATION 7:14-15 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. This is Christ.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

MATTHEW 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

II PETER 3:10,12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, seeist thou these great building. The great building is the church., there shall not be left one stone upon another. We are the stone people! That shall not be thrown down.

Mark 13:22 For false Christ’s and false prophets shall rise and shall shew signs and wonders, signs are images of Jesus Christ or Idols.

Psalm 96:4-5 For the Lord is great and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are Idols but the Lord made the heavens.

Isaiah 2: Their land is also full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands that which their own fingers have made.

Jeremiah 50:38 A drought is upon her waters: and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their Idols. In Zechariah 10:2 For Idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie and have told false dreams; their way as a flock, they were troubled because there was no shepherd.

Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication and from things strangled and from blood. Also in Romans 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? Thou that I do is, dost thou commit sacrilege?

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold and silver and brass and stone and of wood: which neither can see nor hear nor walk. So as we see in these many verses, God warns us that all the churches become spiritual Babylon. We can find many more verses in the Old Testament and New Testament that Satan has dominion over all denominations, congregations, and churches.

I John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols, Amen.

REVELATION 6:12-17 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

REV.6:3 - 4. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and sword.

It will be the worst time in history.

The angel Michael will protect the Jews.

The faithful people will be delivered.

Some with robes made white in the blood of the Lamb.

The greatest tribulation is known in the history of the world.

No where does it say the trib lasts for 7 years. The only ones promised heaven are the little flock( Luke 12:32) these are numbered=144,000--The great crowd no man can number( Rev 7:9) is not promised heaven anywhere in the bible. And since they are the only other ones getting saved, its this promise from Jesus that is to them-Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. Prov 2:21-22 assures they are going no where and Matt 24:22 assures those days( trib and Armageddon) will be cut short or no flesh would be saved.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

No where does it say the trib lasts for 7 years. The only ones promised heaven are the little flock( Luke 12:32) these are numbered=144,000--The great crowd no man can number( Rev 7:9) is not promised heaven anywhere in the bible. And since they are the only other ones getting saved, its this promise from Jesus that is to them-Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth. Prov 2:21-22 assures they are going no where and Matt 24:22 assures those days( trib and Armageddon) will be cut short or no flesh would be saved.

so be ready, why study and not apply those words, promised are made if you do what the promise is for

 

[kjw47]

so be ready, why study and not apply those words, promised are made if you do what the promise is for

During the 1000 year reign of Christ-Earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise)= New earth)--Mortals will go back to perfection, Satan will be abyssed that whole time. Thus no satan influences. But after the resurrection, some will get the opportunity to learn and apply Gods will without those influences. But they must be tested, thus satan gets loosed for a little while. And Rev 20:8 says, many as the sand of the sea still follow satan and get thrown into the lake of fire. Earth is the promise i look forward to. A life of not aging like now, never sick, never without, no war, greed, fear, pain, Even death will be no more. Perfect harmony amongst all of Gods creatures(Isaiah 11)--all motives of mortal hearts from love not profit. Gods kingdom is a cure all.

 

[expat_panama]

The book of Daniel was finished in 164 BC. Revelation was either in 75 AD or 95 AD.

While that's true it is not a good reason to ignore Christ now.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—"

Another good choice is we can study both Daniel and Revelation. In so doing we still have to quote and cite our passages. It would be too easy of someone to say "it says in Revelation that he who speaketh from the name of Surada is of Satan". It would be both easy and wrong.

We either cite passages or we reject the Bible and go w/ vain imaginings. Pse let me know if and when u want to return to the Divine Text.