The debate accomplished nothing.

Lol. Why hasn’t he? Just talk. Just like Ears. All talk no action.

He HAS, Junkie. Trump has removed more troops from Iraq than Iran's bitch boi did in 8 years.
Obama ran on brining the troops home and did nothing.
Just as dumb Don did. See a pattern?
He wants them home by November. Democrats and the pentagon are giving him pushback.
Dream on dear.
 
I do notice you have nothing bad to say about Trump-no surprise keep on kissing dat azz...

I notice Trump bashers have nothing good to say about Biden unless it is tied to something bad about Trump. Biden cannot stand on his own.
bidens biggest accomplishments were that he didn't come off as a total rambling fool like "edited" videos of him make him look at times. but he still had to stumble over "facts and figures" and got them wrong. a lot.

but when he did the "look into the camera" appeal to "the public" he looked far more like he was selling me a used car.

Of course he didn't. The man was wearing a wire. If you can, get on Tick Tock and see for yourself. Someone was telling that POS what to say. Good Lord.
can you point out the wire? i saw a lapel wire but that didn't go into his ear. it looked more like a lapel "microphone" that is used for situations like this. i've worn them and when filming video, asked others to.

now if we see him being fed info into his ear or on a tablet he had - great. show me. i am not defending biden and wouldn't surprise me if he found a way to be coached. but i have not seen proof of that yet.
 
I do notice you have nothing bad to say about Trump-no surprise keep on kissing dat azz...

I notice Trump bashers have nothing good to say about Biden unless it is tied to something bad about Trump. Biden cannot stand on his own.
bidens biggest accomplishments were that he didn't come off as a total rambling fool like "edited" videos of him make him look at times. but he still had to stumble over "facts and figures" and got them wrong. a lot.

but when he did the "look into the camera" appeal to "the public" he looked far more like he was selling me a used car.

Of course he didn't. The man was wearing a wire. If you can, get on Tick Tock and see for yourself. Someone was telling that POS what to say. Good Lord.
can you point out the wire? i saw a lapel wire but that didn't go into his ear. it looked more like a lapel "microphone" that is used for situations like this. i've worn them and when filming video, asked others to.

now if we see him being fed info into his ear or on a tablet he had - great. show me. i am not defending biden and wouldn't surprise me if he found a way to be coached. but i have not seen proof of that yet.

Nope it only shows the wire on the right side of his chest. He also used his hand on that side to reposition it several times last night. I saw that on my TV. As to what the wires goes to?? Could be some kind of Wi Fi that doesn't require a wire to the ear piece. Just something in the ear to pick up what's being said. No wonder he refused to let them check his ears. That's a small thing and I wonder why he refused. Now we all know.
 
I do notice you have nothing bad to say about Trump-no surprise keep on kissing dat azz...

I notice Trump bashers have nothing good to say about Biden unless it is tied to something bad about Trump. Biden cannot stand on his own.
bidens biggest accomplishments were that he didn't come off as a total rambling fool like "edited" videos of him make him look at times. but he still had to stumble over "facts and figures" and got them wrong. a lot.

but when he did the "look into the camera" appeal to "the public" he looked far more like he was selling me a used car.

Of course he didn't. The man was wearing a wire. If you can, get on Tick Tock and see for yourself. Someone was telling that POS what to say. Good Lord.
can you point out the wire? i saw a lapel wire but that didn't go into his ear. it looked more like a lapel "microphone" that is used for situations like this. i've worn them and when filming video, asked others to.

now if we see him being fed info into his ear or on a tablet he had - great. show me. i am not defending biden and wouldn't surprise me if he found a way to be coached. but i have not seen proof of that yet.

Nope it only shows the wire on the right side of his chest. He also used his hand on that side to reposition it several times last night. I saw that on my TV. As to what the wires goes to?? Could be some kind of Wi Fi that doesn't require a wire to the ear piece. Just something in the ear to pick up what's being said. No wonder he refused to let them check his ears. That's a small thing and I wonder why he refused. Now we all know.
that's a lapel mic worn on the inside, not outside.

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and his adjusting it was probably getting on the nerves of whoever was monitoring it. likely a high $$$ that doesn't make a lot of side noise but i imagine there was some coverage on it to reduce noise. there's no way to have a lapel mic feed into your ear. it's a listening device, not a speaker.
 
Joe Biden said, “I am the Democratic party right now”. He also said “Antifa is just an idea”. Biden did not say that left-wing Antifa is the Democratic party right now, but he indicated that Antifa’s ideas and methods are acceptable going forward. Biden spent more time trying to link Trump to right wing groups than condemning politically motivated violence in cities. It is doubtful that any minds were changed by that debate.

Oddly, Biden cited the FBI as proof that Antifa is just an idea. The Same FBI that is under investigation along with the Department of Justice right now for using Russian intelligence propaganda to try to take Trump down in the first election. Chris Wallace, the moderator, was apparently unaware of the Durham Probe so he did not press Biden on it. Wallace seemed more concerned with warning Trump not to interrupt while Biden was calling a Trump a “clown” in interruptions.

Calling Antifa just an idea while cities burn with BLM riots apparently escaped Wallace as well. Most Americans are aware that fascism and Communism were just ideas before they wreaked havoc on the world. Someone should tell Wallace that every movement begins as an idea that is forced onto the scene with violence and destruction. Biden’s marching orders were obviously loaded with warnings not to offend leftist terrorism and Wallace let it slide.

Wallace was clearly unprepared for this debate and asked no tough questions. One issue raised by Trump was his elimination of the Individual Mandate, a forced requirement of government to punish people who do not take part in the Affordable Care Act. The Individual Mandate was government action to penalize Americans with fines for not purchasing a product offered by insurance companies. There were no government requirements requiring people to “not” purchase products like tobacco and alcohol that destroy the health of individuals while the industries that produce the dangerous products lobby Congress excessively.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use. Biden accused Trump of attacking something that was a failure from the start and most Americans know it.

The debate was a side show that accomplished little other than demonstrating the division of the nation over government control of the private lives of individuals. The next one should address that.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use.

That's because it never happened:



You have to dig deeper:




Congress cobbled together a special technicality for itself that you or I can never get. They will never feel the pain they inflict on us.
 
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Joe Biden said, “I am the Democratic party right now”. He also said “Antifa is just an idea”. Biden did not say that left-wing Antifa is the Democratic party right now, but he indicated that Antifa’s ideas and methods are acceptable going forward. Biden spent more time trying to link Trump to right wing groups than condemning politically motivated violence in cities. It is doubtful that any minds were changed by that debate.

Oddly, Biden cited the FBI as proof that Antifa is just an idea. The Same FBI that is under investigation along with the Department of Justice right now for using Russian intelligence propaganda to try to take Trump down in the first election. Chris Wallace, the moderator, was apparently unaware of the Durham Probe so he did not press Biden on it. Wallace seemed more concerned with warning Trump not to interrupt while Biden was calling a Trump a “clown” in interruptions.

Calling Antifa just an idea while cities burn with BLM riots apparently escaped Wallace as well. Most Americans are aware that fascism and Communism were just ideas before they wreaked havoc on the world. Someone should tell Wallace that every movement begins as an idea that is forced onto the scene with violence and destruction. Biden’s marching orders were obviously loaded with warnings not to offend leftist terrorism and Wallace let it slide.

Wallace was clearly unprepared for this debate and asked no tough questions. One issue raised by Trump was his elimination of the Individual Mandate, a forced requirement of government to punish people who do not take part in the Affordable Care Act. The Individual Mandate was government action to penalize Americans with fines for not purchasing a product offered by insurance companies. There were no government requirements requiring people to “not” purchase products like tobacco and alcohol that destroy the health of individuals while the industries that produce the dangerous products lobby Congress excessively.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use. Biden accused Trump of attacking something that was a failure from the start and most Americans know it.

The debate was a side show that accomplished little other than demonstrating the division of the nation over government control of the private lives of individuals. The next one should address that.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use.

That's because it never happened:



You have to dig deeper:




Congress cobbled together a special technicality for itself that you or I can never get. They will never feel the pain they inflict on us.

Your link is wrong.
 
Joe Biden said, “I am the Democratic party right now”. He also said “Antifa is just an idea”. Biden did not say that left-wing Antifa is the Democratic party right now, but he indicated that Antifa’s ideas and methods are acceptable going forward. Biden spent more time trying to link Trump to right wing groups than condemning politically motivated violence in cities. It is doubtful that any minds were changed by that debate.

Oddly, Biden cited the FBI as proof that Antifa is just an idea. The Same FBI that is under investigation along with the Department of Justice right now for using Russian intelligence propaganda to try to take Trump down in the first election. Chris Wallace, the moderator, was apparently unaware of the Durham Probe so he did not press Biden on it. Wallace seemed more concerned with warning Trump not to interrupt while Biden was calling a Trump a “clown” in interruptions.

Calling Antifa just an idea while cities burn with BLM riots apparently escaped Wallace as well. Most Americans are aware that fascism and Communism were just ideas before they wreaked havoc on the world. Someone should tell Wallace that every movement begins as an idea that is forced onto the scene with violence and destruction. Biden’s marching orders were obviously loaded with warnings not to offend leftist terrorism and Wallace let it slide.

Wallace was clearly unprepared for this debate and asked no tough questions. One issue raised by Trump was his elimination of the Individual Mandate, a forced requirement of government to punish people who do not take part in the Affordable Care Act. The Individual Mandate was government action to penalize Americans with fines for not purchasing a product offered by insurance companies. There were no government requirements requiring people to “not” purchase products like tobacco and alcohol that destroy the health of individuals while the industries that produce the dangerous products lobby Congress excessively.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use. Biden accused Trump of attacking something that was a failure from the start and most Americans know it.

The debate was a side show that accomplished little other than demonstrating the division of the nation over government control of the private lives of individuals. The next one should address that.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use.

That's because it never happened:



You have to dig deeper:




Congress cobbled together a special technicality for itself that you or I can never get. They will never feel the pain they inflict on us.

Your link is wrong.

Is it? Try claiming that you are a small business operating a family, therefore you are entitled to special treatment from your employer or insurance provider. Go ahead, try it.
 
Joe Biden said, “I am the Democratic party right now”. He also said “Antifa is just an idea”. Biden did not say that left-wing Antifa is the Democratic party right now, but he indicated that Antifa’s ideas and methods are acceptable going forward. Biden spent more time trying to link Trump to right wing groups than condemning politically motivated violence in cities. It is doubtful that any minds were changed by that debate.

Oddly, Biden cited the FBI as proof that Antifa is just an idea. The Same FBI that is under investigation along with the Department of Justice right now for using Russian intelligence propaganda to try to take Trump down in the first election. Chris Wallace, the moderator, was apparently unaware of the Durham Probe so he did not press Biden on it. Wallace seemed more concerned with warning Trump not to interrupt while Biden was calling a Trump a “clown” in interruptions.

Calling Antifa just an idea while cities burn with BLM riots apparently escaped Wallace as well. Most Americans are aware that fascism and Communism were just ideas before they wreaked havoc on the world. Someone should tell Wallace that every movement begins as an idea that is forced onto the scene with violence and destruction. Biden’s marching orders were obviously loaded with warnings not to offend leftist terrorism and Wallace let it slide.

Wallace was clearly unprepared for this debate and asked no tough questions. One issue raised by Trump was his elimination of the Individual Mandate, a forced requirement of government to punish people who do not take part in the Affordable Care Act. The Individual Mandate was government action to penalize Americans with fines for not purchasing a product offered by insurance companies. There were no government requirements requiring people to “not” purchase products like tobacco and alcohol that destroy the health of individuals while the industries that produce the dangerous products lobby Congress excessively.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use. Biden accused Trump of attacking something that was a failure from the start and most Americans know it.

The debate was a side show that accomplished little other than demonstrating the division of the nation over government control of the private lives of individuals. The next one should address that.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use.

That's because it never happened:



You have to dig deeper:




Congress cobbled together a special technicality for itself that you or I can never get. They will never feel the pain they inflict on us.

Your link is wrong.

Is it? Try claiming that you are a small business operating a family, therefore you are entitled to special treatment from your employer or insurance provider. Go ahead, try it.

Yes it is Ray. You never knew what ACA (obamacare) was did you?
 
It accomplished something, countless Americans and I have become even more disgusted with trump.

trump make the debate last night into a total mess.

trump is very scared and it showed last night.

Wow, so dedicated Marxists who hate Trump and want to kill him might not vote for him now? Besides, Chinese agents like you aren't allowed to vote...

Guess that will push the Harris/Xi ticket into the winners circle....
 
Has anyone else actually read the "Green New Deal"?

It's 90% talk of some mythical Utopia and history's longest running promise of government perfection (false hopes)
And 10% Demand to change to Socialism.

And YES....the proposals would cost in the tens of trillions.

It is a farce and a promise of Utopia in exchange for giving absolute power to a few.

There is no call to hold any nation other than the USA responsible for "saving the planet"

And almost no one takes it seriously. In reality, the old green deal has been going on since 1901. Teddy R started it but he didn't stay long enough as President to finish it. Eisenhower took up the mantle. Then Nixon took it up again. You will note, all 3 were Republicans. And each time, Industry kept screaming, "You are killing us" when in reality, Industry was killing US.

The New Green Deal is a wonderful thing to work towards that we may never reach in the next 100 to 200 years. But parts of it is actually part of the old Green Deal. And Biden pushes for the Green Deal, not the New Green Deal. So do I and so does the majority of Americans. If Rump is trying to get reelected on that platform, he'd better have his bags packed and the Uhaul in the driveway.

Never forget, it is industry which brought you your computer, on which you can complain about industry.

Industry also brought us air we couldn't breath, water we couldn't drink, food that poisoned us, cars that veered into Bridge Abutments without us assisting them at high speeds, and a whole lot of other things we can certainly live without. And Industry didn't invent the Computer, it was a bunch of geeks in garages that did.


Industry didn't invent the computer. A British mathematician between 1833 and 1871.

The person who invented the contemporary computer was Turing in 1936. I don't think there were garages then either. He invented it at Cambridge University.

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I don't know if you were alive at the time but what was one of the most driving forces for the EPA and environmental regulations was The Cuyahoga River was on fire. A body of water was so polluted it was catching fire. The American people had enough of big business poisoning our planet.

The Analytical Engine described by Babbage was not constructed until 2017. Hard to say he invented computers since his idea was never tried. Turing is vital to computer logic, as is George Boole - but none of these made actual computers. The first working digital computer was the 1890 Census tabulation machine - it was a true computer and could add and subtract, it could compute.

The first ELECTRONIC computer was ENIAC, which was the first to adhere to Turing's definition of a truly programmable computer with memory and the ability to accept variable instruction sets.
 
I do notice you have nothing bad to say about Trump-no surprise keep on kissing dat azz...

I notice Trump bashers have nothing good to say about Biden unless it is tied to something bad about Trump. Biden cannot stand on his own.
bidens biggest accomplishments were that he didn't come off as a total rambling fool like "edited" videos of him make him look at times. but he still had to stumble over "facts and figures" and got them wrong. a lot.

but when he did the "look into the camera" appeal to "the public" he looked far more like he was selling me a used car.

Of course he didn't. The man was wearing a wire. If you can, get on Tick Tock and see for yourself. Someone was telling that POS what to say. Good Lord.
can you point out the wire? i saw a lapel wire but that didn't go into his ear. it looked more like a lapel "microphone" that is used for situations like this. i've worn them and when filming video, asked others to.

now if we see him being fed info into his ear or on a tablet he had - great. show me. i am not defending biden and wouldn't surprise me if he found a way to be coached. but i have not seen proof of that yet.

The receiver is in the coat, which is what we saw. The earbud itself is near field and wireless. I have something similar for my guitar.
 
Joe Biden said, “I am the Democratic party right now”. He also said “Antifa is just an idea”. Biden did not say that left-wing Antifa is the Democratic party right now, but he indicated that Antifa’s ideas and methods are acceptable going forward. Biden spent more time trying to link Trump to right wing groups than condemning politically motivated violence in cities. It is doubtful that any minds were changed by that debate.

Oddly, Biden cited the FBI as proof that Antifa is just an idea. The Same FBI that is under investigation along with the Department of Justice right now for using Russian intelligence propaganda to try to take Trump down in the first election. Chris Wallace, the moderator, was apparently unaware of the Durham Probe so he did not press Biden on it. Wallace seemed more concerned with warning Trump not to interrupt while Biden was calling a Trump a “clown” in interruptions.

Calling Antifa just an idea while cities burn with BLM riots apparently escaped Wallace as well. Most Americans are aware that fascism and Communism were just ideas before they wreaked havoc on the world. Someone should tell Wallace that every movement begins as an idea that is forced onto the scene with violence and destruction. Biden’s marching orders were obviously loaded with warnings not to offend leftist terrorism and Wallace let it slide.

Wallace was clearly unprepared for this debate and asked no tough questions. One issue raised by Trump was his elimination of the Individual Mandate, a forced requirement of government to punish people who do not take part in the Affordable Care Act. The Individual Mandate was government action to penalize Americans with fines for not purchasing a product offered by insurance companies. There were no government requirements requiring people to “not” purchase products like tobacco and alcohol that destroy the health of individuals while the industries that produce the dangerous products lobby Congress excessively.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use. Biden accused Trump of attacking something that was a failure from the start and most Americans know it.

The debate was a side show that accomplished little other than demonstrating the division of the nation over government control of the private lives of individuals. The next one should address that.

Wallace did not bring up the fact that Congress crafted special exemptions and subsidies for itself to escape the Individual Mandate that the majority of Americans cannot use.

That's because it never happened:



You have to dig deeper:




Congress cobbled together a special technicality for itself that you or I can never get. They will never feel the pain they inflict on us.

Your link is wrong.

Is it? Try claiming that you are a small business operating a family, therefore you are entitled to special treatment from your employer or insurance provider. Go ahead, try it.

Yes it is Ray. You never knew what ACA (obamacare) was did you?
Obamacare was an attempt to force Americans to buy a product and punish them if they did not comply. Health insurance is a product just like automobile tires or refrigerators. We need tires for our cars and refrigerators to keep our food fresh. Some people cannot afford cars or refrigerators. Did the government take over the automobile industry and refrigerator manufacturing to make the world more fair and itself more powerful? Not yet. That's the Venezuelan model.
 

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