The American Genocide of the Indians—Historical Facts and Real Evidence

[Deadstick]

My great-grandmother was Comanche. She described buffalo hunts when she was a child where they stampeded herds of Buffalo over cliffs or into ravines by the thousands and only took the skins, horn, sinew and choice cuts of meat leaving the rest for vermin or to rot. You don't kill a massive animal like a Buffalo with a relatively weak horse bow. The average draw of most horse bows were thirty to fifty pounds. Some horn and sinew reinforced bows could range up to seventy pounds. Even with a reinforced bow, it would take thirty or more shafts to kill something as massive as a buffalo excluding the "golden BB". Arrows don't have the shocking power of a bullet and do far less damage to the target.

My point is the Indian killed whatever way to satisfy their needs, they were not driven by $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ like the white man.

 

[Mac-7]

Your criminal government supports a genocide in Gaza,

Thats a common lib lie that I do not accept

 

[AZrailwhale]

So dumb. Your criminal government supports a genocide in Gaza, a war of extermination in Ukraine, and a terrorist in Syria. To say nothing of decades of war and destruction throughout the world, for the benefit of the global elite.

Nothing has changed. If only you could overcome the brainwashing you suffered grade school.

None of that is true. If Israel wanted to exterminate the Gazans, the war would have been over in weeks with very few Israeli casualties. Israel has the firepower to level that tiny area and leave the survivors to starve and die of thirst. It hasn't done so and takes unnecessary casualties trying to avoid civilian casualties. Neither side in Ukraine is waging a war of extermination, but the Russians are deliberately targeting civilians whole the Ukrainians are targeting military targets.

 

[Mushroom]

When the Indians fought another tribe, they killed as many as they could for as long as they could.

That is almost completely wrong. In fact, many tribes practiced almost bloodless ceremonial battles where nobody was expected to die on either side. Unlike in Eurasia, the population densities of most tribes simply did not allow for that kind of warfare. Even the ones recognized as the most bloodthirsty like the Aztecs did not fight that way.

In general, if it was a battle and not just a skirmish by randomly meeting groups it was mostly just a show of force by each side. Not unlike a European battle where they would taunt each other before forming their lines and charging. And after enough were wounded or killed, one side would retreat and the battle ended.

But the almost bloodless combat was actually largely done by the Plains tribes. The Blackfoot were particularly known for this kind of warfare, as were the Crow, Kiowa, Cheyenne, Comanche, and even some tribes of the Apache and Lakota. After all, that is where the very terms such as "Counting Coup" and "Coup Stick" came from.

Not unlike a modern military training exercise with MILES gear. Both sides line up, but instead of armed with spears, bows and war axes they held "coup sticks". And the idea was to defeat the enemy by striking them with the stick then withdrawing. Those who were struck were also by tradition to withdraw, and the bloodless battle would continue until only one tribe had warriors left. That side was the winner, and then dictates the terms (normally related to land and who could settle where).

In fact, the last Crow War Chief only died in 2016. That was a particular honor, only awarded to Crow Warriors who accomplished four tasks. First, to count coup against an enemy and allow him to live. Second, to take an enemies weapons. Third, to lead a successful war party against an enemy. And forth, to steal the enemies horses.

Joe Medicine Crow is more than a bit of a legend, accomplishing all of those actions against the Germans in WWII. And even more interesting, his nephew Carson Walks Over Ice accomplished almost the same thing in Vietnam. And while he thought he had accomplished all four feats, his stealing two elephants from the Vietcong was dismissed, as quite obviously elephants are not horses.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Projection!

I know man’s nature so I don’t support granting authority to others, but you do.

The alternative to giving SOMEONE power is anarchy where someone like me with strength and combat skills would take advantage of someone like you.

 

[gipper]

The alternative to giving SOMEONE power is anarchy where someone like me with strength and combat skills would take advantage of someone like you.

I doubt that every much, based on the fact you lack a functioning brain.

I’m all for anarchy and recognize it isn’t without problems, but it’s far better than the shit show we have now.

 

[gipper]

None of that is true. If Israel wanted to exterminate the Gazans, the war would have been over in weeks with very few Israeli casualties. Israel has the firepower to level that tiny area and leave the survivors to starve and die of thirst. It hasn't done so and takes unnecessary casualties trying to avoid civilian casualties. Neither side in Ukraine is waging a war of extermination, but the Russians are deliberately targeting civilians whole the Ukrainians are targeting military targets.

Denying what I stated, only further proves what an ignoramus you are.

Get informed. Shut off Fox News dummy.

 

[Mushroom]

You've never heard of siege warfare? The whole point was starving the population of a city into surrendering. AFTER that came mass rape and murder during the "intaking" by the attackers.

The Mongols even took it a step farther, when in 1346 they decided to catapult bodies of plague victims into the town at the siege of Caffa. Many now believe this is how the Black Death entered Europe.

But yes, after the population surrenders following months to years of starvation and thirst (cannibalism is not unheard of in towns under siege), the invaders would enter and sack the city. In short, an orgy of murder, looting, and rape followed. Sometimes for a set period of time, sometimes until they grew tired of it and moved on.

 

[gipper]

Thats a common lib lie that I do not accept

Lol. You don’t accept the truth. Lol.

Dumb people often can’t accept the truth.

 

[Mac-7]

Lol. You don’t accept the truth. Lol.

Dumb people often can’t accept the truth.

I dont accept your lib lie

 

[Mushroom]

They were a Stone Age culture up against the world’s most modern and technological new force

They were not "Stone Age", that is something many people get completely wrong.

In reality, they were Chalcolithic. Also known as the "Copper Age", they were the first peoples on the planet to actually enter the "Copper Age", doing so over 1,500 years before those in Eurasia started working copper. That technologically places them on par with say the Battle Axe Culture of Scandinavia, Otzi the Iceman, the Hongshan Culture of China, and the cultures just before many of the classic ones in Mesopotamia and the Levant.

In short, the biggest difference between the Copper Age and "Stone Age" (Neolithic) peoples is the complete absence of metals. Almost everything they made and used involved stone, wood, bone, or shells. But in the Americas, they were working in copper, silver, gold, and at least two groups had started using forms of Arsenical Bronze (much of the Americas were low in tin, but like in Eurasia many realized that arsenic could also be used to create bronze).

They were able to enter the copper age long before the rest of the world, because of the large deposits of native copper. However, over time that hindered them because they never had to develop smelting techniques then later alloying in order to use their native copper. Just as their lack of beasts of burden hindered them in the ability to make things like carts or plows.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The US never gencided Indians. Native Americans on the other hand...

 

[Mushroom]

The US never gencided Indians. Native Americans on the other hand

If it was, I would call it the worst genocide ever. There are almost 7 million of us living in the US today. That is over seven times more than were living here before the Europeans arrived.

I have never heard of a "genocide" where the population group increased that much during and after the genocide happened.

 

[Mac-7]

They were not "Stone Age", that is something many people get completely wrong.

In reality, they were Chalcolithic. Also known as the "Copper Age", they were the first peoples on the planet to actually enter the "Copper Age", doing so over 1,500 years before those in Eurasia started working copper. That technologically places them on par with say the Battle Axe Culture of Scandinavia, Otzi the Iceman, the Hongshan Culture of China, and the cultures just before many of the classic ones in Mesopotamia and the Levant.

In short, the biggest difference between the Copper Age and "Stone Age" (Neolithic) peoples is the complete absence of metals. Almost everything they made and used involved stone, wood, bone, or shells. But in the Americas, they were working in copper, silver, gold, and at least two groups had started using forms of Arsenical Bronze (much of the Americas were low in tin, but like in Eurasia many realized that arsenic could also be used to create bronze).

They were able to enter the copper age long before the rest of the world, because of the large deposits of native copper. However, over time that hindered them because they never had to develop smelting techniques then later alloying in order to use their native copper. Just as their lack of beasts of burden hindered them in the ability to make things like carts or plows.

The Indians had practically no technology compared to the europeans

 

[Hellbilly]

The US never gencided Indians. Native Americans on the other hand...

That’s bullshit.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If it was, I would call it the worst genocide ever. There are almost 7 million of us living in the US today. That is over seven times more than were living here before the Europeans arrived.

I have never heard of a "genocide" where the population group increased that much during and after the genocide happened.

And there are still millions of Jews but the Nazis genocided the hell out of them.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That’s bullshit.

Show me where the US genocided Indians. I don't think the US ever had significant forces in india except maybe WW2.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

My great-grandmother was Comanche. She described buffalo hunts when she was a child where they stampeded herds of Buffalo over cliffs or into ravines by the thousands and only took the skins, horn, sinew and choice cuts of meat leaving the rest for vermin or to rot. You don't kill a massive animal like a Buffalo with a relatively weak horse bow. The average draw of most horse bows were thirty to fifty pounds. Some horn and sinew reinforced bows could range up to seventy pounds. Even with a reinforced bow, it would take thirty or more shafts to kill something as massive as a buffalo excluding the "golden BB". Arrows don't have the shocking power of a bullet and do far less damage to the target.

That's partially correct.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ivan the terrible in the 16th Century, well you can't blame Putin for that one.

Fits in with the condemnation of the West, as well as it last well into the end of the 19th centry.

You are such a mess up.

 

[Deadstick]

Lol. You don’t accept the truth. Lol.

Dumb people often can’t accept the truth.

That's because the truth would destroy everything they have ever been taught to believe in, it would hit them in the face like a wet kipper.