I suspect not one American in 500 knows about the Massacre of 1622.

[jacksonlamb]

Indigians

Their lands: Up for grabs from any neighboring tribe at any time.

Their culture: Thrill-killing intertribal genocide.

Their traditions: Unevolved since the Stone Age.

Sounds like Europe or Asia or Africa, mentoid.

You talk as if you have a vibrating butt plug permanently on and it makes you sound "terribly" lame.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You clearly dont know the history of indians. Yes the men also tortured captives, but MOST of the torture was done by the women of the tribe. There are MANY horror stories from people who survived these ordeals.

From Google AI -

Yes, historical accounts and anthropological studies indicate that Native American women—particularly in Eastern Woodlands societies like the Iroquois and Huron—played a major role in the prolonged torture of male captives, often serving as the primary executors of this ritualistic violence.

While warriors were responsible for capturing enemies, the prisoners were often turned over to the women of the village, who were tasked with administering retribution for the loss of their own kin in war.
Arkansas State University +2
Key Aspects of Women’s Role in Torture:

• Ritualistic Vengeance: The torture of male captives was often not motivated by raw brutality, but was a religious and social ritual designed to avenge deaths within the tribe.
• "Making Women" of Captives: The torture of male captives served as an effeminating act, where women would humiliate captives, often referred to as "making them women" in a social sense.
• The Gauntlet and Torture Roles: Women and children often participated in the "gauntlet," where captives were forced to run between lines of villagers who would strike, burn, or cut them. 17th-century reports detail women using methods such as cutting, biting, and using fire on prisoners.
• Surviving Evidence: Jesuit missionaries in the 17th century documented Huron and Iroquois women actively torturing prisoners.
  Fisher Digital Publications +3

Contextual Factors:

• Not All Tribes: This practice was more common among the Eastern Woodlands and some Plains cultures, rather than all Native American tribes.
• Survival or Death: While captives were often killed through torture, they could also be spared, adopted, or enslaved, with women and children prisoners usually being kept alive and integrated into the tribe, while adult men faced a higher likelihood of torture.
• Difference from European Perspectives: The active role of women in such violence often shocked European settlers, who brought different cultural expectations regarding the roles of women.

Look here Boy, you are not helping yourself any with this tripe about Native American women. You are focused on this on aspect of history- true or not- to try to prove that Native Americans were “uniquely savage” and making an ass of yourself in the process. Your so called reasoning is fraught with numerous logical fallacies

• It is an over generalization fallacy because you offer it as proof of the brutality of Native American Women as though that and only that defines them while ignoring the context of the overall culture
• It is a non sequitur fallacy because the premise- that the women engaged in arguably save practices does not support your conclusion that they were “uniquely savage
• It is a red herring fallacy because it is being used to avoid the wider and more pertinent issue of savagery, enslavement and genocide against Native Americans -and all people of color- from Columbus to 1619 to the “Indian Wars “ and the Trail of Tears” to slavery, Jim Crow and the perpetuation of institutional racism against Native Americans and all people of Color.

If you are really trying to make the casethat the Native Americans were more savage then others and deserving of the wrath of the settlers , you need to learn how to construct an actual argument based on facts and logic and connect the dots. Yu might want to start by looking at what Columbus did to the natives

Howard Zinn portrayed Christopher Columbus not as a hero, but as an agent of imperialism, slavery, and genocide whose actions initiated 500 years of indigenous oppression. In works like Columbus: His Enterprise, Zinn emphasized the brutality of the European invasion, arguing that Columbus's obsession with gold led to the mass murder and exploitation of Native Americans, dismantling the traditional myths of discovery.

Meanwhile all you’re doing is exposing yourself as the Eurocentric igniorant and hateful racist that you are

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

A few million scattered indians claimed the entirety of North America? Nah, if you cant control your territory, then it never belonged to you in the first place.

More of the same shit that fails to prove your case.

 

[Godboy]

More of the same shit that fails to prove your case.

History proved my case. We wrecked the savages and built a place that people all over the world admire. Native Americans in the ENTIRE history of their people, virtually never invented one useful thing. They hadnt even invented the wheel by the time white men came. They are a useless failed culture that got steamrolled by a superior culture. Indians are nothing more than a mildly interesting historical footnote at this point.

 

[Zincwarrior]

History proved my case. We wrecked the savages and built a place that people all over the world admire. Native Americans in the ENTIRE history of their people, virtually never invented one useful thing. They hadnt even invented the wheel by the time white men came. They are a useless, shitty culture that got steamrolled by a superior culture. Indians are nothing more than a historical footnote at this point.

Indeed. They never did a damn thing did they.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

History proved my case. We wrecked the savages and built a place that people all over the world admire. Native Americans in the ENTIRE history of their people, virtually never invented one useful thing. They hadnt even invented the wheel by the time white men came. They are a useless failed culture that got steamrolled by a superior culture. Indians are nothing more than a mildly interesting historical footnote at this point.

You can stop now, You really don't need to keep trying so hard to convince us that you're an ignorant , uneducated ass and bigot. We get it ! Really !!!

 

[jacksonlamb]

History proved my case. We wrecked the savages and built a place that people all over the world admire. Native Americans in the ENTIRE history of their people, virtually never invented one useful thing. They hadnt even invented the wheel by the time white men came. They are a useless failed culture that got steamrolled by a superior culture. Indians are nothing more than a mildly interesting historical footnote at this point.

No, your statement proves nothing.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

A few million scattered indians claimed the entirety of North America? Nah, if you cant control your territory, then it never belonged to you in the first place.

You are the essence of the savagery that you accuse the Native Americans of being,. Bigotry is savagery , Evolution has left you behind. Crawl out of your basement and read something besides your bible, "God Boy" What god is it that you are beholden too? If there is a god, you might someday be rudely awakened to the reality that your god is not a hateful bigot, Then what will you do?

 

[jacksonlamb]

You are the essence of the savagery that you accuse the Native Americans of being,. Bigotry is savagery , Evolution has left you behind. Crawl out of your basement and read something besides your bible, "God Boy" What god is it that you are beholden too? If there is a god, you might someday be rudely awakened to the reality that your god is not a hateful bigot, Then what will you do?

Thank you for the above.

Godboy is an example of that psychopathological narcissism that makes a person feel just fine with killing those who dare disagree with them.

 

[Godboy]

Indeed. They never did a damn thing did they.
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I dont see a single useful thing there. They did NOTHING to further humanity.

 

[Godboy]

You are the essence of the savagery that you accuse the Native Americans of being,. Bigotry is savagery , Evolution has left you behind. Crawl out of your basement and read something besides your bible, "God Boy" What god is it that you are beholden too? If there is a god, you might someday be rudely awakened to the reality that your god is not a hateful bigot, Then what will you do?

Nah, i just call a spade a spade. By the way, in the modern day, they STILL suck. Inferior cultures ALWAYS produce inferior results. Look at any underachieving group anywhere in the world and you will find an inferior culture. No exceptions ever.

Coddling inferior cultures wont make them better. Shame however is an extremely effective tool in that regard. Shame is what ended the KKK, for example.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Nah, i just call a spade a spade. By the way, in the modern day, they STILL suck. Inferior cultures ALWAYS produce inferior results. Look at any underachieving group anywhere in the world and you will find an inferior culture. No exceptions ever.

Coddling inferior cultures wont make them better. Shame however is an extremely effective tool in that regard. Shame is what ended the KKK, for example.

Obviously you are the product of an inferior culture ....MAGA I suspect. Shame will end you and your ilk........that is if your are smart enough to know that you should feel shame ......which I suspect you are not

 

[jacksonlamb]

Nah, i just call a spade a spade. By the way, in the modern day, they STILL suck. Inferior cultures ALWAYS produce inferior results. Look at any underachieving group anywhere in the world and you will find an inferior culture. No exceptions ever.

Coddling inferior cultures wont make them better. Shame however is an extremely effective tool in that regard. Shame is what ended the KKK, for example.

You are empty of empathy and human good will. You would make a great Nazi.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I dont see a single useful thing there. They did NOTHING to further humanity.

Neither has the Old Confederate states but I am not complaining.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Neither has the Old Confederate states but I am not complaining.

Godboy believes in slavery and probably eugenics.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Multiple tribes were quite evolved. Mississippi civilization, Kickapoo, Cherokee, Hopi, etc.

Phew! The Cherokee practiced slavery, including African slavery, on a grand scale and frequently brutalized other tribes. The five "civilized" tribes sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. Many tribes sided with the British during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Sounds like Europe or Asia or Africa, mentoid.

You talk as if you have a vibrating butt plug permanently on and it makes you sound "terribly" lame.

When are you going to celebrate your race treason by dancing with wolves?