A Challenge

[Chuz Life]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

 

[White 6]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

 

[Chuz Life]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

This begs a question.

Would Iran's possession of nukes strengthen their ability to **** with the world's economy by threatening the Strait or would the possession of nukes make no significant difference at all?

 

[BackAgain]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

They cannot do so — “apparently” or otherwise.

You credit the pro Iranian propaganda waaaaaaaaay too much.

 

[sparky]

Would Iran's possession of nukes strengthen their ability to **** with the world's economy by threatening the Strait or would the possession of nukes make no significant difference at all?

It just extends their reach Chuz

~S~

 

[MisterBeale]

It matters little what Americans and our leaders want.

IN order to end Iran's ability to get a bomb, or control the straights, we would have to launch a global war and defeat both Russia and China as well.

Anyone that is really informed and following this knows at this point, Iran will not be defeated without the simultaneous defeat of Russia and China. Those nations won't allow Iran to fall to Israeli and western interests.

Iran foreign minister meets Chinese counterpart a week before Trump's Beijing trip

“China believes that a complete cessation of hostilities is imperative, restarting the conflict is unacceptable and persisting in negotiations is particularly important,” the Chinese foreign ministry said after the talks.

www.nbcnews.com

Putin meets Iran’s top diplomat, commits to deep ties​

by Laura Kelly - 04/27/26 11:19 AM ET

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5850847-russia-iran-middle-east-peace/

This is all madness.

 

[Chuz Life]

It just extends their reach Chuz

~S~

Today, the world can throttle Iran's desire to control the Strait without worry that Iran might drop a nuke (most likely on Israel),

Let Iran build, and saber-rattle with nukes as their backup, and I think the dynamic shifts to something more like we see with North Korea.

Imagine if North Korea had access to an international waterway, like Iran has.

I don't think the world can afford to risk Iran having that ability or power.

 

[SaxonJackson]

It's smoke and mirrors and a huge distraction. Everyone is talking about Iran, Nukes, the Strait of Hormuz, "those terrorists" (as if we're NOT terrorists), and related topics.

In the meantime, Oracle, Palantir, and Trump's "Technology Panel" are devising ways to encroach upon our Constitutional freedoms including the right to privacy.

Iran is not the enemy. America's enemy resides here in the USA. It lives in Washington D.C.. It lives in Langley, VA. It lives in Silicon Valley, CA. Iran is half way around the world and poses no threat at all. But you're completely surrounded by your real enemy. You're a slave to it and controlled by it.

The real "Challenge" is figuring out how to unplug from this real life Matrix.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Today, the world can throttle Iran's desire to control the Strait without worry that Iran might drop a nuke (most likely on Israel),

Let Iran build, and saber-rattle with nukes as their backup, and I think the dynamic shifts to something more like we see with North Korea.

Imagine if North Korea had access to an international waterway, like Iran has.

I don't think the world can afford to risk Iran having that ability or power.

If it weren't for the Chinese there would be no North Korea, and as soon as they drop their support and defense of the Mad Midget he's toast, same as with the mighty Iranian Air Forces and Navy was, within a day. Don't let the left wing media sell you all that 'America Iz Doomed' nonsense. It's all smoke and bullshit.

This all should have been over and done with under Carter and Reagan, but they let the idiotic left wing media propaganda over Vietnam live in their heads, and the result has been nothing but massive deaths and terrorism around the globe ever since. They want you hiding in your basement and rolling over and spreading your cheeks every time some pissant thug regime of sub-human trash says 'Booo!!!' That has never ended well.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

This is all madness.

At least you got one line right.

 

[MisterBeale]

At least you got one line right.

Do you deny that Tehran has the full support of Moscow and Beijing?

 

[Chuz Life]

China is an interesting factor/ component in how the future of Iran is to play out. 100%

My question is, what kind of Iran and Iranian government is really in the best interest of China?

A nuke-armed dictatorship that wants to wield its power to someday wipe anyone who is not a Muslim off the face of the Earth? Or a self-governed Iran that uses its vast resources of oil to participate in the world economy, without the need or want to threaten or eliminate its neighbors for differences of religious beliefs?

China could get oil from either one.

It's going to be interesting to see if Trump can convince China that the non-nuclear, self-governed Iran is in China's (and the rest of the world's) best interest.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Do you deny that Tehran has the full support of Moscow and Beijing?

lol they vanished as soon as the first rounds were fired. Who cares about them? That Chinese guy in Turkey just isn't the guy you need to get your news from any more. Russia can't even beat Ukraine, with a 10 to 1 advantage in nearly everything, and REd China is having domestic problems it can't solve without massive influxes of foreign cash flows and mass arrests.

Please, grow up. That Star Wars movie playing in your head where you're the hero fighting agin Da Evul Empire N Stuff was boring by the end of the 1970's.

 

[eagle1462010]

They can apparently control the straits of Hormuz without nuclear capability, which trump and Rubio say they do not have, and Rubio has said, not even progressing toward it by continued enrichment, since the first attack on their program sites, last summer.

I sleep well. Iran's nuclear program does not keep me up, any. I am concerned about their mass drone capabilities to conventionally control the straits. The US Government needs to be talking with Ukraine about drone, counter drone operations.

Destroying there ammo and manufactoring sites doesnt counter it???

 

[EdwinAMartin]

China is an interesting factor/ component in how the future of Iran is to play out. 100%

My question is, what kind of Iran and Iranian government is really in the best interest of China?

A nuke-armed dictatorship that wants to wield its power to someday wipe anyone who is not a Muslim off the face of the Earth? Or a self-governed Iran that uses its vast resources of oil to partici[ate in the world economy, without the need or want to threaten or eliminate their neighbors for differences of religious belief?

China could get oil from either one.

It's going to be interesting to see if Trump can convince China that the non-nuclear, self-governed Iran is in China's (and the rest of the world's) best interest.

China is already having to cave in to Trump in Asia, precisely because he can now cut off their oil completely.

As it is both Red China and Russia rely on Guess Who to build and maintain their pipelines? For all the noise over their alleged 'technical prowess' and engineering feats, they both rely heavily on stolen tech, and have so much corruption that their own domestic projects fail at amazing rates without foreign management and technical aid. Same for the ME as well. Behind all the pretty pictures and fake economic numbers lies a lot of empty heads and spaces.

 

[Chuz Life]

Do you deny that Tehran has the full support of Moscow and Beijing?

I do deny that. 100%!

"Full support" would be the alignment of China and or Russia with Iran, to the same extent that the U.S. and Israel are aligned.

Instead, their relationship is one of limited and tacit support at best. Hoping they can get some oil out of the deal,

Lip service and a trickle of intelligence is even less support than the U.S. supports Ukraine with.

 

[MisterBeale]

lol they vanished as soon as the first rounds were fired. Who cares about them? That Chinese guy in Turkey just isn't the guy you need to get your news from any more. Russia can't even beat Ukraine, with a 10 to 1 advantage in nearly everything, and REd China is having domestic problems it can't solve without massive influxes of foreign cash flows and mass arrests.

Please, grow up. That Star Wars movie playing in your head where you're the hero fighting agin Da Evul Empire N Stuff was boring by the end of the 1970's.

China has been retooling its tankers.

If the US or Israel attempt to stop shipping of oil from Iran via a Chinese tanker, we shall see.

I doubt Trump has the balls though.

 

[Chuz Life]

China has been retooling its tankers.

If the US or Israel attempt to stop shipping of oil from Iran via a Chinese tanker, we shall see.

I doubt Trump has the balls though.

I don't think Trump needs or wants to stop Oil headed for China.

Except temporarily to affect the changes in Iran, which even China will benefit from.

 

[candycorn]

Have a listen to what Marco Rubio says in this clip:

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a never-ending threat to the world's economy by seizing control of the Strait of Hormuz, and nobody would be able to do anything about it because of that nuclear threat.



Just a simple poll and thread to see if we can all agree on this one basic premise.

The challenge is for those who answer "false" to support their answer with an equally compelling argument.

Israel could have handled it with no manpower from the US.

If we had just let them handle it, the price of gas would still be below 3 a gallon, the 50,000 troops we have over there would be elsewhere and out of harms way; we would not have lost 13 (at least) troops; we would have had hundreds of fewer wounded soldiers, we wouldn't have spent tens of billions of dollars accomplishing nothing.

 

[Chuz Life]

Israel could have handled it with no manpower from the US.

If we had just let them handle it, the price of gas would still be below 3 a gallon, the 50,000 troops we have over there would be elsewhere and out of harms way; we would not have lost 13 (at least) troops; we would have had hundreds of fewer wounded soldiers, we wouldn't have spent tens of billions of dollars accomplishing nothing.

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