The American Genocide of the Indians—Historical Facts and Real Evidence

[Mushroom]

I don't feel any guilt due to the torture and cannibalism committed by my Iroquois ancestors.

Nor should the Pawnee for their Morning Star ritual. Where they would kidnap a young girl from a differing tribe, then ritualistically torture and kill her. Which had elements of ritual cannibalism and rape, but that was not part of it when first recorded. However, it might have been an actual part of the original ceremony, as they also have been linked to the Mississippian Culture which did practice cannibalism.

The last historical record of that being practiced was in 1838. Where they kidnapped a 14 year old Sioux girl named Haxti and performed it on her.



If people wonder why the "Whites" were so determined to convert them to Christianity in order to completely stomp out those practices.

And it did get acceptance among most tribes. Some like Kennekuk "The Kickapoo Prophet" preached a religion that blended Catholicism and traditional beliefs, encourage non-violence, abstinence from alcohol, and adopting farming in the early 1800s. And over 200 years later many still follow his teachings.

One thing that pretty much all of the tribes that descended from the Mississippian Culture have in common is almost ritualistic killings, and if not cannibalism then ritual cannibalism. Something almost unheard of among the tribes that never had connections to that culture.

 

[Mushroom]

The Apache language is related to the Canadians, not the Comanche.

A lot of people have a very skewed misconception of what the tribes were like in that era. Especially what they were like when Europeans arrived, and that they were all very distinct from each other.

And yes, the Apache did indeed originate in Alaska and Canada. Traveling down the Rocky Mountains into the SW Desert area where they are live today. We know this by studying their language, and loan words they picked up or dropped off in their travels. They are also somewhat unique in that they are one of the few tribes with the reputation of being "bloodthirsty" with no connection to the Mississippian Culture.

And more recent studies in genetics have proven they are far more closely related to Eskimo-Inuit groups than they are to any groups found in the "Continental US". And their migration started roughly at about the time that Erick the Red colonized Greenland.



And those of us that maintained closer relations to our original tribal groups can even see this. When I lived on the edge of the Maidu Reservation, a lot of my friends were Maidu. And all of them asked what tribe my family came from. We can identify many features that identify us as "Indian", but also not of "Their Tribe". For me, it was the darker skin (which we almost always spot but most "Europeans" miss), my longer face, and more beak-like nose. And taller and more slender build. But the skin color has long fascinated me, as most people completely miss that. Commonly identifying me as "white", even though I am significantly darker than my wife from South America.

Most tribes like the Cherokee, Crow, and Nez Perce had fairly stable ranges where they lived. Generally around 100 square miles per family grouping of 3-5 dozen members. And others like the Shoshone had some rather large areas of occupation, with most of them in SE Idaho and Wyoming, but also extending all the way out into California. That is why Lolly Vegas of "Redbone" comes from California but is also Shoshone as his forefathers lived in the Death Valley area. And incorporated Shoshone attire and chants in their performances.



Next time you watch the introduction to "Guardians of the Galaxy", realize that is Quill's interpretation of a traditional Shoshone dance. Likely taken from James Gunn himself as he is the right age to have seen The Midnight Special when it was "Must See TV" at night, along with Don Kirshner's Rock Concert.

I often shake my head when people try to believe that they were all the same. They were not, there were many huge differences between the various tribal groups. And many of the words commonly used to break down groupings can fail when studying Indians. For many, "Tribe" and "Clan" do follow more traditional definitions. But then in others that is nowhere near the case and the words mean something completely different. Like in the Potawatomie themselves, where the clans were separate from family or tribal groupings, more akin to "family jobs" in their group (and traced patrilaterally where as family was traced matrilineally). With Bear being closest to "Police" and Wolf as "Guardians". Crane and Loon being associated with the leadership, and Marten-Martin being associated with warriors (those that raid other settlements, unlike the Bear and Wolf that protect from raiders).

And to have your mind really blown, look at how closely aligned almost all the animistic religions are copies of each other. Like Wolf is commonly seen as one of the main protector and creation gods, and Coyote is as well as being the brother of Wolf. And is also the Trickster god. Which really fascinated me as a kid when my great-grandfather would tell me stories of Coyote, then years later reading Bullfinch's Mythology and seeing strong connections to the Norse gods. You can almost interchange Thor with Wolf, and Loki with Coyote.

 

[DennisPTate]

I hope not. There is no such thing as generational guilt. Recognize that wrongs were committed and move on. I don't feel any guilt due to the torture and cannibalism committed by my Iroquois ancestors.

That is an excellent point. All of us had ancestors who compromised with what really mattered in order to survive.

Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., reports that he was actually hearing Messiah Yeshua - Jesus teach the following to his disciples. These ideas would fit very well with the type of beliefs that the Essene Jewish teachers would have in the first century.

[Near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. ] :

"You do not understand this life, he said on a later occasion, so you do not understand what you can achieve. You think that you were born and die and have only the time in between to live. The Sadducees do not even believe in the resurrection. And the Pharisees and Essenes believe you are saved or damned on the basis of what you do here in this life.

So you judge and condemn others and forsake love in order to enter heaven. Yet I tell you that the Father has many heavens and many homes for you. This is not your only life, and these are not the only things you have to learn. You will have lives in other times and places.

Do not judge the gentiles? You may have been a Gentile. Do not judge the prostitute You may have been a prostitute. Do not judge the Roman or Greek? You may have been those.

"The Father wishes you to know the life of the world in all its conditions so that you may be able to love those in all conditions. He wishes you to learn poverty and wealth, weakness and strength, sickness and health so that, in all these, you may seek Him and find Him.

Is He the Father only of the righteous? No, he is Father of all and Mother of all. All may come to God and find the love appropriate to their condition. Are you poor? Learn to love your fellows. Are you rich? Learn to give of your surplus to those who have nothing. Are you in a place of power? Learn to use your power for the good of others. Learn the love appropriate to the condition you are in and all conditions will become blessed.


"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
page 117,118 )

 

[DennisPTate]

Nor should the Pawnee for their Morning Star ritual. Where they would kidnap a young girl from a differing tribe, then ritualistically torture and kill her. Which had elements of ritual cannibalism and rape, but that was not part of it when first recorded. However, it might have been an actual part of the original ceremony, as they also have been linked to the Mississippian Culture which did practice cannibalism.

The last historical record of that being practiced was in 1838. Where they kidnapped a 14 year old Sioux girl named Haxti and performed it on her.



If people wonder why the "Whites" were so determined to convert them to Christianity in order to completely stomp out those practices.

And it did get acceptance among most tribes. Some like Kennekuk "The Kickapoo Prophet" preached a religion that blended Catholicism and traditional beliefs, encourage non-violence, abstinence from alcohol, and adopting farming in the early 1800s. And over 200 years later many still follow his teachings.

One thing that pretty much all of the tribes that descended from the Mississippian Culture have in common is almost ritualistic killings, and if not cannibalism then ritual cannibalism. Something almost unheard of among the tribes that never had connections to that culture.

There are impressive articles that do connect the Lost Tribes of Israel with the First Nations Tribes of South America and North America.

[FONT=Times, Times New Roman]Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes Ecuador

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Intensified attention to the subject took place in the 17th century in England. It was all due to the writings of Manasseh Ben Israel, an Amsterdam Rabbi, who convinced Oliver Cromwell to allow the Jews to Return to England after their banishment from that country four centuries previously.

Manasseh was fully convinced of the authenticity of the Sambatyon legend. He wrote in his book that all think that the Ten Tribes dwelled beyond this Sabbatical river. He cites many authorities in support of his belief including the statement of Josephus that Titus himself had seen the river. Later on, after his meetings with a remarkable missionary, the Marrano Jew (Jew who was forced to convert to Christianity in Spain and Portugal), Antonio de Montezinus, he became fully convinced that the American Indians constituted some of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

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Manasseh heard a very remarkable thing from Montezinus that in 1642 when Montezinus was deep into the mountainous wilderness of Ecuador, he met with four Indians who greeted him with "Shema Israel" which is the traditional creed of Israelites beginning with "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!" (Deuteronomy 6:4). He claimed that he spoke with them in Hebrew and claimed they were from the Lost Tribe of Reuben and Levi.

Through the conversation with Montezinus, Rabbi Manase Ben Israel was convinced that the American Indians were from several tribes of the Lost Tribes of Israel. He wrote on Dec. 23, 1649, in a letter to John Drury, the Puritan divine, "I think the Ten Tribes lived not only there in America, but also in other lands scattered everywhere, these never did come back to the second temple, and they keep to this day still the Jewish religion seeing that all the prophecies which speak of the bringing back into their native soil must be fulfilled."

Menorah Was Found in South America

As for the Indians in South America and the Lost Tribes of Israel, there was an interesting article in a newspaper published in Israel (Maariv, Dec 31, 1974) as follows:

In 1587, a Jesuit Nicholas Delttsu was sent to South America by the king of Spain to convert the Indians. In Argentina, he found a tribe with Hebrew names, Abraham, David, Moshe, etc.. When he asked them if they were circumcised, they answered, "Yes, just as our ancestors." In the same area were found knives of stone used for circumcision. Sharpened stone knives are cited in the Bible as used for circumcision.

Of equal interest is the recent find of a tribe in Argentina related to the Incas of Peru. On a stone tablet were found 3 commandments - "Do not steal." "Do not lie." and "Do not murder." Scholars concluded that these commandments come from the Ten Commandments of Moses but existed hundreds of years before the Spaniards arrived.

And in 1974 in the same area, round stones were found with Hebrew Menorah (candlestick with 7 arms of ancient Israel) on the stone, and on the side is written in Aramaic, Pascha (Passover). Aramaic is an ancient language which ancient Israelites used and this itself means very old.
A few meters away was found a long stone in the shape of a brick with an engraving of a boat (the emblem of Zevulun is ship) with the word Tzipora (the same name as the wife of Moses and one of names of Israelites. The name of the ship?) written on it. Does this mean that they came here on boat? Scholars believe it is 3000 years old.

Ecuador: Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes (Moshiach.com)

An Interactive Multimedia Tour of the Holy Temple - Beit Hamikdash.

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Practices like this go back to what near death experiencer and former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava would term "The Eruv Rav," which refers to the Mixed Multitude who came out of Egypt but could not give up their pagan practices.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

There are impressive articles that do connect the Lost Tribes of Israel with the First Nations Tribes of South America and North America.





Practices like this go back to what near death experiencer and former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava would term "The Eruv Rav," which refers to the Mixed Multitude who came out of Egypt but could not give up their pagan practices.

There was a guy years ago, 1970's or so, that claimed some of the native languages were related to obscure North AFrican Arab dialects, America B.C., I think. I never went into it much. Also claimed some were related to ancient Greek.

America B.C.: Ancient Settlers in the New World - Wikipedia

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It had a 'Wow Factor' back then, along with the Von Daniken type books popular then. Fell is a HArvard biologist, so not your usual run of the mill crank.

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[Mushroom]

There was a guy years ago, 1970's or so, that claimed some of the native languages were related to obscure North AFrican Arab dialects, America B.C., I think. I never went into it much. Also claimed some were related to ancient Greek.

The 1970s were home to a lot of new age junk science. Even more obvious when those that actually wrote those books had almost no experience or background in what they were trying to get others to believe.

I do remember that book, it was written by of all things a zoologist that specialized in invertebrates. But he wrote a ton of quackery books after he retired. Including that North America was discovered by the Celts, Phoenicians, Egyptians, and the Basque.

Myself, I place his works right up there in importance with "Chariots of the Gods", "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", "The Bermuda Triangle", and "The Jupiter Effect".



This is the same era that a famous porn publisher created a magazine dedicated to exploring pseudoscience at the urging of his wife. And even though it was popular among some readers for various things, shortly after she died he shut it down.

And among the most well known at that time was Alan Landsburg. He produced a slew of them, including "The Outer Space Connection", "Secrets of the Bermuda Triangle", and many others trying to prove anything from a link to Oswald and Ruby to many others. But is mostly known for his popular series "In Search Of".



But there is one big problem that tends to shut down any that try to make such claims. The crossing of new species across the oceans. There is one thing in common with all groups that travel distances like that, they tend to either bring their own species with them for food, or bring newly discovered species home with them as curiosities.

When Columbus returned to Spain in 1493, he brought with him parrots, tobacco, a new species of cotton, and pineapple. And when they returned to attempt colonies they brought with them horses, cattle, pigs, cats, and other plants and animals. Yet there is no evidence of any such introductions of plants and animals from the Americas into Eurasia and Africa in those ancient times, and no evidence of of plants and animals from the Americas to those continents.

Which is especially puzzling, as crops like maize and potatoes would have been extremely popular. And we know that such introductions tend to spread like crazy as there are no diseases or animals that are a threat to them. That is why boars are not native to the Americas, but spread like crazy once some got loose. And in much of the US kudzu and Spanish moss are a huge problem.

Fell is not a "run of the mill crank", but he is still a crank. Writing books based on things he has absolutely no business writing in other than as entertainment. I read a lot of them back then, mostly as I found them rather funny.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

This is the same era that a famous porn publisher created a magazine dedicated to exploring pseudoscience at the urging of his wife. And even though it was popular among some readers for various things, shortly after she died he shut it down.

Was that Omni magazine? There were a couple of similar types as that one; can't remember their names.

Dennis is kind of into that sort of stuff, so I thought he might like the book.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

But there is one big problem that tends to shut down any that try to make such claims. The crossing of new species across the oceans. There is one thing in common with all groups that travel distances like that, they tend to either bring their own species with them for food, or bring newly discovered species home with them as curiosities.

When Columbus returned to Spain in 1493, he brought with him parrots, tobacco, a new species of cotton, and pineapple. And when they returned to attempt colonies they brought with them horses, cattle, pigs, cats, and other plants and animals. Yet there is no evidence of any such introductions of plants and animals from the Americas into Eurasia and Africa in those ancient times, and no evidence of of plants and animals from the Americas to those continents.

Which is especially puzzling, as crops like maize and potatoes would have been extremely popular. And we know that such introductions tend to spread like crazy as there are no diseases or animals that are a threat to them. That is why boars are not native to the Americas, but spread like crazy once some got loose. And in much of the US kudzu and Spanish moss are a huge problem.

All good points. Horses are a good example of imported animals taking over and spreading rapidly, especially among native tribes. Didn't take them long to adapt and become excellent cavalrymen.

 

[Mushroom]

Was that Omni magazine?

Got it exactly right.

I mostly read it for the stories, as it had some absolute legends of Science Fiction regularly submitting stories. It was published by Bob Guccione of Penthouse fame, and I have heard mostly to give his wife (then girlfriend) Kathy Keeton a job. It covered some science, but was mostly chock full pf pseudoscience. Kathy was diagnosed with cancer in 1996, and as soon as she stepped down as the print publishing of the magazine ended. And a few months after her death the on-line site stopped adding new content.

It was clear that most of the content was junk science, but I read it for the stories. Myself, I have little use for junk or pseudoscience as I see it as a "gateway drug" to conspiracy theories.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Bob Guccione of Penthouse fame,

Yes, now I remember the name. Stoners were its main audience then. I always wondered why it disappeared from the shelves.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes, now I remember the name. Stoners were its main audience then. I always wondered why it disappeared from the shelves.

It is not unlike how he loaned his son Bob Jr. the money to start Spin magazine in 1985. That lasted until 1987 when the father and son had a falling out and dad pulled the funding. But Junior went to MTV and got financing to continue publishing until 2012 (it now exists as a quarterly).

One I still remember to this day, "The Longest Story Ever Told". A rather short story from June 1979 about a man that predicted before his death he would be cremated three times. And he was, first conventionally after death. Then again billions of years later when the Sun entered the red giant phase. Then a final time in the "Big Crunch", a popular theory at the time that eventually the universe would contract again before creating another Big Bang.

William Flew Omni Magazine SF Short Stories March 1980

I thought it was a hell of a story, and still sticks with me almost five decades later. Even more so as I later discovered it is attributed to "Hugh Downs", and is likely the TV journalist. There is not much I can find about any other Hugh Downs, but in his archives at the University of Wyoming, one of the items dated "March 1980" is titled "The Longest Story Ever Told" and listed as "Periodical Clippings".

Hugh Downs Papers - Archives West