Same Folks Who Claim War on Drugs Is a Failure Demand a War on Guns

[surada]

whatever are you talking about?

you are for the war on drugs but you are against a war on guns....yet the war on drugs has been a total failure for much the same reason a war on guns would be.

War on Drugs? Nixon 1971. He was a republican.

 

[struth]

The Bill of Rights doesn't guarantee the right to vote.

No, but later amendments due

 

[struth]

And once they have done their sentence and paid their debt to society they should get those rights back. It is wrong to keep punishing people indefinitely.

They can certainly apply for those rights back and they can show why they should have those rights back.

 

[struth]

Can you point to where the constitution says a person can lose rights permanently after completing their punishment?

Sure, 5th and 14th amendments " nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" = it clearly states the Govt can take those things, with proper due process, it does not say that the Govt has to give them back

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They can certainly apply for those rights back and they can show why they should have those rights back.

You and I will just have to disagree on the idea of indefinite punishments for citizens. I think they are wrong, you do not. I doubt either of us will change the others mind

 

[TNHarley]

Sure, 5th and 14th amendments " nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" = it clearly states the Govt can take those things, with proper due process, it does not say that the Govt has to give them back

Nope. Neither one of them say you can permanently lose rights.
When a felon pays all their dues to society, what are they? a Citizen.
Shit man, this wasnt even a thing till the 60s. Then here comes Democrats and their gun grabbing asses. And you follow them right along wanting to persecute CITIZENS for crimes they MIGHT do.
Its called "thought crimes" and its tyrannical. And unconstitutional.

 

[JWBooth]

Who’s for open borders and legalizing drug dealing while advocating we can own M1 Abrams?

Gets my vote

 

[Woodznutz]

And once they have done their sentence and paid their debt to society they should get those rights back. It is wrong to keep punishing people indefinitely.

Most felons don't come close to paying their debt to their victims, much less to society. We need "You broke it, you bought it" laws.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

The lawmakers will only act when business is effected. Not when nor al pepe are effected.

 

[struth]

You and I will just have to disagree on the idea of indefinite punishments for citizens. I think they are wrong, you do not. I doubt either of us will change the others mind

i didn’t say it was indefiante…they are more then welcome to apply for their gun rights back

 

[Woodznutz]

War on Drugs? Nixon 1971. He was a republican.

Neither party wants to lock up people that might vote for them.

 

[struth]

Nope. Neither one of them say you can permanently lose rights.
When a felon pays all their dues to society, what are they? a Citizen.
Shit man, this wasnt even a thing till the 60s. Then here comes Democrats and their gun grabbing asses. And you follow them right along wanting to persecute CITIZENS for crimes they MIGHT do.
Its called "thought crimes" and its tyrannical. And unconstitutional.

they are still felons

show me where the US Constution says they get them back after already taken?

 

[surada]

Neither party wants to lock up people that might vote for them.

You do know that's crazy.

 

[Woodznutz]

You do know that's crazy.

It's all about the voters. You have to unpack the statement further.

 

[surada]

It's all about the voters. You have to unpack the statement further.

Georgia registered 300,000 new voters to stop Trump.

 

[Darkwind]

Provisional data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate that there were an estimated 100,306 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 12-month period ending in April 2021, an increase of 28.5% from the 78,056 deaths during the same period the year before.

Drug Overdose Deaths in the U.S. Top 100,000 Annually

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Though mass shootings tend to get the most attention, they are not the cause of most firearm deaths in the U.S.

In 2020, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — about 124 people each day. Of those, 54% were suicides, and 43% were murders, according to a Pew Research Center analysis.

That means that 19,445 people were murdered in 2020. That is 1/5 the number of drugs overdoses.


Drug overdoses are related to open borders and the free access of fentanyl in the USA.

How about we focus on the real problems in this country?

 

[TNHarley]

they are still felons

show me where the US Constution says they get them back after already taken?

Lol, you obviously dont understand what the Constitution actually is.
I guess, using your authoritarian interpretation of the Constitution, a jury/judge can take away someones first amendment rights. Or they could say from now on, they dont get jury trials. Or they could say i must quarter troops in time of peace.
True enlightenment, Mr. Authoritarian. Thanks.

 

[Woodznutz]

Georgia registered 300,000 new voters to stop Trump.

I'm guessing there's some remorse there too.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

i didn’t say it was indefiante…they are more then welcome to apply for their gun rights back

Not all states even allow that. Plus, are they really "rights" if one has to ask permission to have them from the Govt?

 

[struth]

Lol, you obviously dont understand what the Constitution actually is.
I guess, using your authoritarian interpretation of the Constitution, a jury/judge can take away someones first amendment rights. Or they could say from now on, they dont get jury trials. Or they could say i must quarter troops in time of peace.
True enlightenment, Mr. Authoritarian. Thanks.

i am saying nothing can be taken without due process of law. That’s what the Constitution says…yes even your first amendment rights