Republican SNAP Proposals Could Take Food Away From Millions of Low-Income Individuals and Families

[Concerned American]

I worked for over 40 years. Never claimed any assistance. I have been collecting SS for a long time but I paid in. I also use medicare to which I paid in. Those two programs make america great. I also know that wr need to ensure workers have more rights, not less. Begin with doubling overtime wages. End all corporate help.

Thanks for the honest answer which confirms my belief. You EARNED your standard of living. It wasn't given to you through public assistance that you abused.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If you have a job, you have what you need to provide food and housing. Education is provided. I have no responsibility to support you. You can run your ignorant mouth for fifty more moronic diatribes and it won't change. The people who created these successful companies that you have chosen to vilify, built them. They didn't lay on their lazy butts and ask for handouts. Just STFU, parasite.

Oh, here we go again, "Concerned American" cutting out key parts of what I said so he can pretend I’m arguing for people to sit around doing nothing while the government hands them everything on a silver platter. You’re so desperate to twist my words because you know you have no real argument. You completely ignored the part where I explicitly said people have a right to a job because that would destroy your tired, lazy narrative that I’m somehow advocating for freeloading.

You worship these billionaires like they’re gods, as if they built their wealth through sheer hard work and determination. Reality check: they didn’t do it alone. The so-called "self-made" billionaires you idolize didn’t build their fortunes with their bare hands. They had help, whether from generational wealth, government subsidies, underpaid workers, or flat-out exploitation. Do you think Jeff Bezos built Amazon by himself? Do you think Elon Musk personally assembles Teslas in a factory? Do you think Walmart’s founding family stocks the shelves? No. Their workers create the wealth, and they hoard it. They're parasites,

Without the labor of thousands, if not millions of workers, none of these billionaires would have a dime. Yet they turn around and pay those same workers poverty wages while pocketing billions. Then when those workers need assistance because they aren’t being paid enough to survive, assholes like you call them parasites. No, they're the parasites. The billionaire class takes everything and gives back as little as possible.

And let’s talk about government "handouts." You whine about working-class people getting basic social services, but you have zero problem with the government, giving massive tax breaks to the ultra-rich. The government subsidizes Walmart and Amazon workers with food stamps because those companies refuse to pay a living wage. Your tax dollars aren’t just going to help the poor, they’re propping up the businesses you claim to admire, even when they refuse to pay a decent, living wage. Without those subsidies, their whole exploitative business model would collapse. But you won’t call that freeloading, will you? Because in your twisted mind, it’s only “charity” when it helps regular people, not when billionaires get government assistance.

You say, "If you have a job, you have what you need to provide food and housing." Wrong. Wages alone do not guarantee security in this economy. Try getting cancer on a $15-an-hour job and see how far your paycheck gets you. Try raising a family in a city where rent keeps skyrocketing while wages stay stagnant. Try getting ahead when every system is designed to squeeze every last penny out of you while the rich keep getting richer. Just "getting a job" is not enough when the game is rigged from the start.

And here’s the best part: I’m not arguing against work. I’m arguing against a system where workers are exploited while their bosses hoard billions of dollars. I believe in work. I believe in labor. I believe in productivity. But I also believe that those who do the work should have control over the wealth they produce. Workers should own and democratically manage the businesses they work for, instead of living under corporate dictatorships where their labor is stolen from them to enrich a handful of elites.

If we believe in democracy for government, why not democracy in the workplace? Is the workplace the place where most of us spend most of our waking hours? Why should billionaires get to rule over thousands, even millions of people, just because they happened to inherit a company or exploit their way to the top? That’s not freedom, that’s economic tyranny.

So go ahead, keep crying about “lazy people” while defending the laziest people of all, the ******* billionaire class that sits back and collects wealth off the backs of real workers. No amount of bootlicking for the rich is going to stop the inevitable: a world where workers take control, and the parasites at the top finally get cut off from their undeserved, unsustainable, unjustly acquired billions. No billionaires, in our society. All net income above a million monthly or 12 million a year is taxed 100% (in the golden age of the American economy, after WW2, the highest marginal tax rate was over 90%).

That money goes into the public treasury, to build national infrastructure and maintain it. Don't like that? Cry me a river. Hell if you can't live on a million dollars monthly, you need to see a psychiatrist. You're crazy.

 

[Concerned American]

Oh, here we go again, "Concerned American" cutting out key parts of what I said so he can pretend I’m arguing for people to sit around doing nothing while the government hands them everything on a silver platter. You’re so desperate to twist my words because you know you have no real argument. You completely ignored the part where I explicitly said people have a right to a job because that would destroy your tired, lazy narrative that I’m somehow advocating for freeloading.

You worship these billionaires like they’re gods, as if they built their wealth through sheer hard work and determination. Reality check: they didn’t do it alone. The so-called "self-made" billionaires you idolize didn’t build their fortunes with their bare hands. They had help, whether from generational wealth, government subsidies, underpaid workers, or flat-out exploitation. Do you think Jeff Bezos built Amazon by himself? Do you think Elon Musk personally assembles Teslas in a factory? Do you think Walmart’s founding family stocks the shelves? No. Their workers create the wealth, and they hoard it. They're parasites,

Without the labor of thousands, if not millions of workers, none of these billionaires would have a dime. Yet they turn around and pay those same workers poverty wages while pocketing billions. Then when those workers need assistance because they aren’t being paid enough to survive, assholes like you call them parasites. No, they're the parasites. The billionaire class takes everything and gives back as little as possible.

And let’s talk about government "handouts." You whine about working-class people getting basic social services, but you have zero problem with the government, giving massive tax breaks to the ultra-rich. The government subsidizes Walmart and Amazon workers with food stamps because those companies refuse to pay a living wage. Your tax dollars aren’t just going to help the poor, they’re propping up the businesses you claim to admire, even when they refuse to pay a decent, living wage. Without those subsidies, their whole exploitative business model would collapse. But you won’t call that freeloading, will you? Because in your twisted mind, it’s only “charity” when it helps regular people, not when billionaires get government assistance.

You say, "If you have a job, you have what you need to provide food and housing." Wrong. Wages alone do not guarantee security in this economy. Try getting cancer on a $15-an-hour job and see how far your paycheck gets you. Try raising a family in a city where rent keeps skyrocketing while wages stay stagnant. Try getting ahead when every system is designed to squeeze every last penny out of you while the rich keep getting richer. Just "getting a job" is not enough when the game is rigged from the start.

And here’s the best part: I’m not arguing against work. I’m arguing against a system where workers are exploited while their bosses hoard billions of dollars. I believe in work. I believe in labor. I believe in productivity. But I also believe that those who do the work should have control over the wealth they produce. Workers should own and democratically manage the businesses they work for, instead of living under corporate dictatorships where their labor is stolen from them to enrich a handful of elites.

If we believe in democracy for government, why not democracy in the workplace? Is the workplace the place where most of us spend most of our waking hours? Why should billionaires get to rule over thousands, even millions of people, just because they happened to inherit a company or exploit their way to the top? That’s not freedom, that’s economic tyranny.

So go ahead, keep crying about “lazy people” while defending the laziest people of all, the ******* billionaire class that sits back and collects wealth off the backs of real workers. No amount of bootlicking for the rich is going to stop the inevitable: a world where workers take control, and the parasites at the top finally get cut off from their undeserved, unsustainable, unjustly acquired billions. No billionaires, in our society. All net income above a million monthly or 12 million a year is taxed 100% (in the golden age of the American economy, after WW2, the highest marginal tax rate was over 90%).

That money goes into the public treasury, to build national infrastructure and maintain it. Don't like that? Cry me a river. Hell if you can't live on a million dollars monthly, you need to see a psychiatrist. You're crazy.

Listen moron. There is so much unrelated BS in your moronic word salad that I would be guilty of spamming if I was to address each one. Additionally, I would be reduced to the same word salad as you produced. Now run along. Your communist view of how life should be is dismissed and so are you.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No im not like God. I know what goes on in my wife’s family because they’re like an absolutely awful soap opera that plays out over the phones for hours on end every day.

Whst they’re doing is antithetical to every bit of reason, logic and common sense, even beyond the moral implications ; and IT ISN’T WORKING but they keep doing it anyway.

As for the other folks, I don’t care about them, except that my tax money is going to my to them illegally, unconstitutionally and immorally.

Your argument is based entirely on your personal anecdotes about your wife’s family. That’s your big proof that public assistance is a failure? Because you don’t like how some people in your life use it? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? You’re trying to generalize your personal family drama to justify gutting social safety nets for millions of Americans, people you admit you “don’t care about.” You’ve already discredited yourself. You don’t actually have a rational argument; you just want to complain about your in-laws while using it as an excuse to attack people in need.

You claim public assistance is “illegal, unconstitutional, and immoral.” That’s laughably wrong. Government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and unemployment insurance have all been upheld as constitutional. The government has the legal right to tax its citizens and allocate those funds toward programs that serve the public. That’s literally what a government does. If you don’t like it, maybe you should take your macho “every-man-for-himself” ideology and go live off-grid in the wilderness with wild animals, where you won’t have to benefit from roads and bridges, electric grids, sewer systems, public services, emergency responders, or the countless other government-funded programs you take for granted every day.

And immoral? Really? What’s immoral is a system that lets billionaires hoard obscene amounts of wealth while children go hungry and people die because they can’t afford medical care. What’s immoral is allowing corporations to pay starvation wages while taxpayers foot the bill for food stamps so their employees can survive. What’s immoral is pretending that every person who struggles financially is some kind of lazy freeloader while completely ignoring the fact that wages haven’t kept up with inflation, healthcare is a profit-driven nightmare, and housing costs are skyrocketing. But sure, go ahead and keep blaming the poor instead of the system that actively creates poverty.

Your whole argument boils down to “some people I know misuse public assistance, therefore no one should get help.” That’s like saying “I know one bad driver, so we should ban cars.” It’s a ridiculous leap in logic. Are there some people who abuse the system? Of course. Just like there are people who commit tax fraud, people who cheat in business, and, oh yeah, billionaires who exploit loopholes and lobby the government to rig the economy in their favor. Funny how you never seem to care about them stealing from the public, but the second a poor family gets help buying food, suddenly you’re outraged.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Listen moron. There is so much unrelated BS in your moronic word salad that I would be guilty of spamming if I was to address each one. Additionally, I would be reduced to the same word salad as you produced. Now run along. Your communist view of how life should be is dismissed and so are you.

Oh, look at that, another right-winger shithead who, when confronted with facts and logic, throws a tantrum, and calls and dismisses everything as “word salad” because he can’t actually refute a single point. That’s all you’ve got? A flippant dismissal of everything that I wrote in response to your capitalist claptrap? If what I said was so “moronic,” then prove it. Tell me exactly which part was wrong. Was it the fact that billionaires rely on government handouts just as much, if not more, than working-class people? Was it the fact that wages haven’t kept up with inflation, making it harder for working Americans to survive? Was it the fact that corporate CEOs hoard wealth while their employees struggle to afford basic necessities? Which one of these simple, provable facts do you take issue with? Be specific. Stop pretending like you’re above the discussion when in reality, you just have nothing to say.

You’re not here to argue in good faith or at the very least, provide a counterpoint with logic or evidence. You’re here to throw out dismissive one-liners and pretend that makes you right. You call what I said “communist” (as if that word alone is an argument) because you can’t actually engage with anything I wrote. You can’t defend your billionaire overlords, so instead, you just call names and run away like a pathetic punk. That’s fine. You’re not the one I’m here for anyway. I’m writing for the people who actually care about the truth, the ones who can see through weak, evasive nonsense like yours. And they see exactly what’s happening here: you have nothing, no facts, no arguments, just empty bluster. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Concerned American]

Oh, look at that, another right-winger shithead who, when confronted with facts and logic, throws a tantrum, and calls and dismisses everything as “word salad” because he can’t actually refute a single point. That’s all you’ve got? A flippant dismissal of everything that I wrote in response to your capitalist claptrap? If what I said was so “moronic,” then prove it. Tell me exactly which part was wrong. Was it the fact that billionaires rely on government handouts just as much, if not more, than working-class people? Was it the fact that wages haven’t kept up with inflation, making it harder for working Americans to survive? Was it the fact that corporate CEOs hoard wealth while their employees struggle to afford basic necessities? Which one of these simple, provable facts do you take issue with? Be specific. Stop pretending like you’re above the discussion when in reality, you just have nothing to say.

You’re not here to argue in good faith or at the very least, provide a counterpoint with logic or evidence. You’re here to throw out dismissive one-liners and pretend that makes you right. You call what I said “communist” (as if that word alone is an argument) because you can’t actually engage with anything I wrote. You can’t defend your billionaire overlords, so instead, you just call names and run away like a pathetic punk. That’s fine. You’re not the one I’m here for anyway. I’m writing for the people who actually care about the truth, the ones who can see through weak, evasive nonsense like yours. And they see exactly what’s happening here: you have nothing, no facts, no arguments, just empty bluster. Thanks for proving my point.

Yawn, more word salad. Pick a topic and stick to it, moron. You're talking about SNAP or public assistance. There is nothing in the constitution that supports anything in your Marxist diatribe. Now pick ONE subject and quit trying to describe the world as you see it.

 

[krichton]

who suffers and who doesnt is the least of my concerns,,,,

as long as the feds dont keep sticking their nose in where it doesnt belong is all I care about,,

because when they have power we all suffer,,

Literally no idea what you're referring to.

 

[Lisa558]

If you have a job, you have what you need to provide food and housing. Education is provided. I have no responsibility to support you. You can run your ignorant mouth for fifty more moronic diatribes and it won't change. The people who created these successful companies that you have chosen to vilify, built them. They didn't lay on their lazy butts and ask for handouts. Just STFU, parasite.

The only people we have the responsibility to support, as taxpayers, are those who through no fault of their own have mental or physical disabilities.

Everyone else gets a job. I think it should be a requirement in order to qualify for government assistance.

 

[progressive hunter]

Literally no idea what you're referring to.

that doesnnt surprise me,,

 

[Concerned American]

The only people we have the responsibility to support, as taxpayers, are those who through no fault of their own have mental or physical disabilities.

Everyone else gets a job. I think it should be a requirement in order to qualify for government assistance.

I know it sounds cruel, but there is nothing in the constitution that requires the government to provide an individual with ANYTHING. Public assistance is the purview of private charities. Taxes should be for the common good. Personal public assistance has nothing to do with the common good. Opportunities should be equal. Requiring a tax payer to support another resident of the US is nothing less than extortion.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yawn, more word salad. Pick a topic and stick to it, moron. You're talking about SNAP or public assistance. There is nothing in the constitution that supports anything in your Marxist diatribe. Now pick ONE subject and quit trying to describe the world as you see it.

It’s pathetic how every time you get called out, you suddenly demand that I "pick one topic," as if I were the one shifting the conversation. No, I’ve been responding directly to your bullshit, point by point. You’re just triggered:

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Because I don’t let you get away with weak, stupid arguments. Now you’re trying to hide behind the Constitution, pretending it somehow bans public assistance when it doesn't.The Constitution was designed to be amended as society evolves. That’s why we have the 14th Amendment (which established equal protection under the law) and the 19th Amendment (which gave women the right to vote). The Founders knew the Constitution wasn’t some sacred, unchangeable text, like the Holy Bible.

The U.S. Constitution is only a framework that could be adapted to the needs of the people throughout time (Are you an idiot stuck in the 18th century?). And guess what? The government has the constitutional authority to tax, spend, and create programs for the general welfare of the public. That’s literally what Article I, Section 8 says. The Supreme Court has upheld Social Security, Medicare, and every major social program under that authority. So your claim that these programs are “unconstitutional” is complete utter-bullshit, easily disproven by actual history and law.

So go ahead, keep yawning, keep crying “word salad,” keep dodging and dismissing, because everyone watching this discussion that is a genuine truth seeker, can see exactly what’s happening. You can’t defend your position, so you’re desperately trying to derail the conversation. But the truth isn’t going anywhere: social safety nets are constitutional, they are necessary, and the only real parasites in this system are the billionaires you keep SUCKING OFF.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government subsidizes Walmart and Amazon workers with food stamps because those companies refuse to pay a living wage.

WalMart subsidizes government by reducing the amount of assistance the government
has to pay.

 

[Concerned American]

It’s pathetic how every time you get called out, you suddenly demand that I "pick one topic," as if I were the one shifting the conversation. No, I’ve been responding directly to your bullshit, point by point. You’re just triggered:

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Because I don’t let you get away with weak, stupid arguments. Now you’re trying to hide behind the Constitution, pretending it somehow bans public assistance when it doesn't.The Constitution was designed to be amended as society evolves. That’s why we have the 14th Amendment (which established equal protection under the law) and the 19th Amendment (which gave women the right to vote). The Founders knew the Constitution wasn’t some sacred, unchangeable text, like the Holy Bible.

The U.S. Constitution is only a framework that could be adapted to the needs of the people throughout time (Are you an idiot stuck in the 18th century?). And guess what? The government has the constitutional authority to tax, spend, and create programs for the general welfare of the public. That’s literally what Article I, Section 8 says. The Supreme Court has upheld Social Security, Medicare, and every major social program under that authority. So your claim that these programs are “unconstitutional” is complete utter-bullshit, easily disproven by actual history and law.

So go ahead, keep yawning, keep crying “word salad,” keep dodging and dismissing, because everyone watching this discussion that is a genuine truth seeker, can see exactly what’s happening. You can’t defend your position, so you’re desperately trying to derail the conversation. But the truth isn’t going anywhere: social safety nets are constitutional, they are necessary, and the only real parasites in this system are the billionaires you keep SUCKING OFF.

More word salad. Read the title of the thread. Stick to the topic and not your communist manifesto. SNAP has nothing to do corporations, the 14th amendment or any of the other disjointed points that you want to vent on. Nor does it have anything to do with your personal attacks or sexual fantasies. When you want to discuss the topic, please do so, until then, run along junior.

 

[Anathema]

Your argument is based entirely on your personal anecdotes about your wife’s family. That’s your big proof that public assistance is a failure? Because you don’t like how some people in your life use it? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? You’re trying to generalize your personal family drama to justify gutting social safety nets for millions of Americans, people you admit you “don’t care about.” You’ve already discredited yourself. You don’t actually have a rational argument; you just want to complain about your in-laws while using it as an excuse to attack people in need.

The issues I mentioned with my wife’s family are simply the tip of the iceberg, both with the government funds that family gets which it shouldn’t and with the faults in the system in general. I could fill books with the crap I’ve seen heard and read about over the years.

You claim public assistance is “illegal, unconstitutional, and immoral.” That’s laughably wrong. Government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, and unemployment insurance have all been upheld as constitutional. The government has the legal right to tax its citizens and allocate those funds toward programs that serve the public. That’s literally what a government does. If you don’t like it, maybe you should take your macho “every-man-for-himself” ideology and go live off-grid in the wilderness with wild animals, where you won’t have to benefit from roads and bridges, electric grids, sewer systems, public services, emergency responders, or the countless other government-funded programs you take for granted every day.

The individuals making those rulings have been as much a part of the corrupt system as the laws they were ruling in. NOTHING in the Constitution mandates or allows the Federal Government to provide anything to an INDIVIDUAL.

Unfortunately my health doesn’t allow me to move to a totally private, hermit lifestyle. I wish it did. I’d have been gone the instant I turned 18. What I don’t do is go begging the Government to help me out with my issues. I deal with them privately, even though I would qualify for benefits if I applied. In fact we got my wife off her SNAP and SSDI and Medicare benefits when we got married.

And immoral? Really? What’s immoral is a system that lets billionaires hoard obscene amounts of wealth while children go hungry and people die because they can’t afford medical care. What’s immoral is allowing corporations to pay starvation wages while taxpayers foot the bill for food stamps so their employees can survive. What’s immoral is pretending that every person who struggles financially is some kind of lazy freeloader while completely ignoring the fact that wages haven’t kept up with inflation, healthcare is a profit-driven nightmare, and housing costs are skyrocketing. But sure, go ahead and keep blaming the poor instead of the system that actively creates poverty.

What’s immoral is supporting creatures that won’t do anything to help themselves and rely solely on the Government to provide for them. It is not MY responsibility to pay to keep freeloaders alive.

My raises haven’t kept up with inflation either. Tough shit. I make it work, no matter how much it hurts. I support a 7 person household on my single income almost exclusively. Nobody else in the house has a job. A couple are retired. Most are considered “disabled”.

Your whole argument boils down to “some people I know misuse public assistance, therefore no one should get help.” That’s like saying “I know one bad driver, so we should ban cars.” It’s a ridiculous leap in logic. Are there some people who abuse the system? Of course. Just like there are people who commit tax fraud, people who cheat in business, and, oh yeah, billionaires who exploit loopholes and lobby the government to rig the economy in their favor. Funny how you never seem to care about them stealing from the public, but the second a poor family gets help buying food, suddenly you’re outraged

I’m in favor of ending ALL Government subsidies, for any group, company, nation, individual, etc… That’s not the governments job; or at least it shouldn’t be.

As for my support for corporations abd the rich over the poor… that’s simply common sense. I’ve worked for corporations abd rich private companies. No poor person has ever employed or assisted me. Common Sense.

 

[krichton]

that doesnnt surprise me,,

No one is expected to understand your fragmented delusions and conspiracy theories when you provide zero context. Learn how to write.

 

[TruthNotBS]

WalMart subsidizes government by reducing the amount of assistance the government
has to pay.

What’s really happening is corporate welfare on a massive scale. Walmart, Amazon, and other corporate giants absolutely rely on the government to subsidize their workforce, not the other way around. When they pay their employees poverty wages that aren’t enough to survive on, those workers have no choice but to turn to government assistance to fill the gap. That means taxpayers are literally footing the bill for these corporations' refusal to pay fair wages. And yet, people like you have the audacity to whine about food stamps while defending the very companies that force their employees to need them in the first place.

And let’s address the ridiculous claim you've made in past debates with me on this issue, that “the market” determines wages as if it’s some divine, unquestionable force. No, wages aren’t set by some invisible hand of justice, they’re determined by power dynamics. Employers pay as little as they can get away with, and workers take what they’re forced to accept because they need to survive. If “the market” truly determined wages based on value, then why do the people who create the most wealth, namely, workers, get paid the least, while CEOs and shareholders hoard billions without lifting a finger?

The truth is, this system is rigged by design to keep wages low while funneling profits to the top. That’s why the only solution is to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, because no one working full time should be struggling to survive while billionaires bathe in money. And if these billionaires don’t like that, too bad. They’ve been leeching off society long enough. It’s time for workers to take back what’s rightfully theirs.

 

[progressive hunter]

No one is expected to understand your fragmented delusions and conspiracy theories when you provide zero context. Learn how to write.

you people are so broken I cant even laugh anymore,,

 

[krichton]

WalMart subsidizes government by reducing the amount of assistance the government
has to pay.

Walmart subsidizes no one but themselves. Two questions, one, why would the richest family in America need handouts? Two, why criticize things like SNAP, Medicaid, etc. but not when billionaires get handouts? hmm

 

[TruthNotBS]

The issues I mentioned with my wife’s family are simply the tip of the iceberg, both with the government funds that family gets which it shouldn’t and with the faults in the system in general. I could fill books with the crap I’ve seen heard and read about over the years.

The individuals making those rulings have been as much a part of the corrupt system as the laws they were ruling in. NOTHING in the Constitution mandates or allows the Federal Government to provide anything to an INDIVIDUAL.

Unfortunately my health doesn’t allow me to move to a totally private, hermit lifestyle. I wish it did. I’d have been gone the instant I turned 18. What I don’t do is go begging the Government to help me out with my issues. I deal with them privately, even though I would qualify for benefits if I applied. In fact we got my wife off her SNAP and SSDI and Medicare benefits when we got married.

What’s immoral is supporting creatures that won’t do anything to help themselves and rely solely on the Government to provide for them. It is not MY responsibility to pay to keep freeloaders alive.

My raises haven’t kept up with inflation either. Tough shit. I make it work, no matter how much it hurts. I support a 7 person household on my single income almost exclusively. Nobody else in the house has a job. A couple are retired. Most are considered “disabled”.

I’m in favor of ending ALL Government subsidies, for any group, company, nation, individual, etc… That’s not the governments job; or at least it shouldn’t be.

As for my support for corporations abd the rich over the poor… that’s simply common sense. I’ve worked for corporations abd rich private companies. No poor person has ever employed or assisted me. Common Sense.

I will respond tomorrow when I have some time.

 

[krichton]

What’s really happening is corporate welfare on a massive scale. Walmart, Amazon, and other corporate giants absolutely rely on the government to subsidize their workforce, not the other way around. When they pay their employees poverty wages that aren’t enough to survive on, those workers have no choice but to turn to government assistance to fill the gap. That means taxpayers are literally footing the bill for these corporations' refusal to pay fair wages. And yet, people like you have the audacity to whine about food stamps while defending the very companies that force their employees to need them in the first place.

And let’s address the ridiculous claim you've made in past debates with me on this issue, that “the market” determines wages as if it’s some divine, unquestionable force. No, wages aren’t set by some invisible hand of justice, they’re determined by power dynamics. Employers pay as little as they can get away with, and workers take what they’re forced to accept because they need to survive. If “the market” truly determined wages based on value, then why do the people who create the most wealth, namely, workers, get paid the least, while CEOs and shareholders hoard billions without lifting a finger?

The truth is, this system is rigged by design to keep wages low while funneling profits to the top. That’s why the only solution is to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, because no one working full time should be struggling to survive while billionaires bathe in money. And if these billionaires don’t like that, too bad. They’ve been leeching off society long enough. It’s time for workers to take back what’s rightfully theirs.

They'll criticize things like medicaid but when giant corporations get handouts it's ok.