Replace the ACA with single payer

[frigidweirdo]

There would never be enough time nor space to note all of the things that you don't know...but, here is a pertinent one:
Before ObamaCare, out of pocket costs were less in the US than in single payer nations.


The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:
Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)
http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.


In other words, as usual, you swallowed the scam hook, line, and sinker.

There would never be enough time nor space to note all of the things that you don't know...but, here is a pertinent one:
Before ObamaCare, out of pocket costs were less in the US than in single payer nations.


The following ‘Universal Healthcare’ countries have higher out-of-pocket costs than the United States:
Out-of-pocket spending as a share of total expenditure on health, 1980-2000 http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/53/22364122.pdf (table 4)
http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpoliciesanddata/22364122.pdf

Canada, Denmark, Finland, Italy, Spain, Switzerland.


In other words, as usual, you swallowed the scam hook, line, and sinker.

BS. Copy the part that shows that. Ridiculous crap....

Aha!

Now I see the problem: you're this dumb because you're this lazy!


I gave you the link.....get off your fat.....you know.

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

 

[Rustic]

BS. Copy the part that shows that. Ridiculous crap....

Aha!

Now I see the problem: you're this dumb because you're this lazy!


I gave you the link.....get off your fat.....you know.

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

Government mandated healthcare is overrated, and happens to be a fraud too.

 

[there4eyeM]

 

[Andylusion]

BS. Copy the part that shows that. Ridiculous crap....

Aha!

Now I see the problem: you're this dumb because you're this lazy!


I gave you the link.....get off your fat.....you know.

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

 

[Andylusion]

Large, multi-billion dollar corporations should not make billions pushing addictive drugs. They should be investigated and prosecuted.

Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses

Now this is what I'm talking about right here.

You people are phycho.

On the one hand, you demand that people pay far less for drugs, and that they are given out freely. Then you turn right around and complain that companies are selling drugs to everyone, and should be restricted.

You people can't come up with a rational solution to anything.

 

[Andylusion]

Replace the ACA with single payer

According to Harry Reid, that was the Socialists' plan all along - total control of the health care system and the erosion of individual CHOICE.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System
Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Right. It's still a terrible idea. Look around the world, and all the socialized systems are failing. So let's do it here. After all the US government has tons of spare money for free health care......... idiots.

Leftards are like children. They never consider how to pay for it, they just scream like a 2-year-old "I want it!".

 

[francoHFW]

Aha!

Now I see the problem: you're this dumb because you're this lazy!


I gave you the link.....get off your fat.....you know.

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

 

[frigidweirdo]

Aha!

Now I see the problem: you're this dumb because you're this lazy!


I gave you the link.....get off your fat.....you know.

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

Yep, bring on the attacks.

How do I know it's a waste?

Well the opposite goes for you, doesn't it? How do you know it's not a waste, oh, you're so fucking arrogant....

Get less on healthcare? You mean like luxurious beds?

No, I don't think the US gets better healthcare. There is nothing that suggests the US gets better healthcare, just more of it, if they can afford it, if they can't, they get much WORSE healthcare.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

 

[Andylusion]

Feq you and the horse you rode in on. lol. Those countries spend 45-55% what we do and have better life spans. Killing and scamming the nonrich is cheaper for the nonrich. . lol

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

Yep, bring on the attacks.

How do I know it's a waste?

Well the opposite goes for you, doesn't it? How do you know it's not a waste, oh, you're so fucking arrogant....

Get less on healthcare? You mean like luxurious beds?

No, I don't think the US gets better healthcare. There is nothing that suggests the US gets better healthcare, just more of it, if they can afford it, if they can't, they get much WORSE healthcare.

No..... you are wrong sir.

There is direct proof, that Americans get better care. If you get bowel cancer, you have a better chance of surviving it in the US, than anywhere else in the world.

That includes rich and poor.

Same with breast cancer.

You are wrong. Period. End of story. You either accept it, or you have marked yourself a complete and total idiot, uneducated enough to be in this discussion.

You have a right to ignorant, unsupportable stupidity, and that just make YOU stupid.

The facts are on my side. You lose. Whether you realize it or not.

 

[Andylusion]

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

Death rate is irrelevant.

If 200 people get cancer here, and 190 survive, that's a fantastic system.

If only 3 people get cancer somewhere else, and all 3 die, that's a terrible system.

Only a moron looks at death rate and would say the place that had all 3 die, was a better health care system, because only 3 died compared to 10 here.

Incidence rates for cancer and all illness are difference in different countries. Different diets, different cultures, even different genetics.

Because incident rates different dramatically, then death rates will also differ dramatically.

That has nothing to do with the health care system. The health care system can't be judged on how many people get a disease. Only how they are able to diagnose, treat, and cure the disease.

That is survival rate. and all the data clearly show, the US has the best survival rate in the world. There is a reason the government officials in Canada have come to the US for health care.

 

[francoHFW]

You're simply (and 'simple' is the operative term...) a dunce that you wind up and it give the Leftist talking points.


1. No one has better life spans than America....we're right up there.
Probably means folks are gonna have to put up with you for ages.


a) life expectancy: many people die for reasons that can’t be controlled the medical profession, such as auto accidents, murder, etc., and once you factor out care crashes and homicides, the US ranks number one in worldwide life expectancy!

“One often-heard argument, voiced by the New York Times' Paul Krugman and others, is that America lags behind other countries in crude health outcomes. But such outcomes reflect a mosaic of factors, such as diet, lifestyle, drug use and cultural values. It pains me as a doctor to say this, but health care is just one factor in health.
In The Business of Health, Robert Ohsfeldt and John Schneider factor out intentional and unintentional injuries from life-expectancy statistics and find that Americans who don't die in car crashes or homicides outlive people in any other Western country.
And if we measure a health care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels.
http://www.davepetno.com/blog/index.php?itemid=30

b. And this:
" The standardized estimate of life expectancy at birth is the mean of the predicted value for each country over the period 1980–99. As shown in table 1-5, the raw (not standardized) mean life expectancy at birth for the United States over this period was 75.3 years, compared to 78.7 years for Japan, 78.0 years for Iceland, and 77.7 years for Sweden. However, after accounting for the unusually high fatal-injury rates in the United States, the estimate of standardized life expectancy at birth is 76.9 years, which is higher than the estimates for any other OECD country." http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/-the-business-of-health_110115929760.pdf


The lies you're trained to spew are designed to grow government.

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

Yep, bring on the attacks.

How do I know it's a waste?

Well the opposite goes for you, doesn't it? How do you know it's not a waste, oh, you're so fucking arrogant....

Get less on healthcare? You mean like luxurious beds?

No, I don't think the US gets better healthcare. There is nothing that suggests the US gets better healthcare, just more of it, if they can afford it, if they can't, they get much WORSE healthcare.

No..... you are wrong sir.

There is direct proof, that Americans get better care. If you get bowel cancer, you have a better chance of surviving it in the US, than anywhere else in the world.

That includes rich and poor.

Same with breast cancer.

You are wrong. Period. End of story. You either accept it, or you have marked yourself a complete and total idiot, uneducated enough to be in this discussion.

You have a right to ignorant, unsupportable stupidity, and that just make YOU stupid.

The facts are on my side. You lose. Whether you realize it or not.

FOR CANCER. But we still have lower life spans because of our poor people lol. GREAT care if you're rich...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Replace the ACA with single payer

According to Harry Reid, that was the Socialists' plan all along - total control of the health care system and the erosion of individual CHOICE.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System
Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Right. It's still a terrible idea. Look around the world, and all the socialized systems are failing. So let's do it here. After all the US government has tons of spare money for free health care......... idiots.

Leftards are like children. They never consider how to pay for it, they just scream like a 2-year-old "I want it!".

The UK system isn't failing. It's not failing in many places, thank you.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

Death rate is irrelevant.

If 200 people get cancer here, and 190 survive, that's a fantastic system.

If only 3 people get cancer somewhere else, and all 3 die, that's a terrible system.

Only a moron looks at death rate and would say the place that had all 3 die, was a better health care system, because only 3 died compared to 10 here.

Incidence rates for cancer and all illness are difference in different countries. Different diets, different cultures, even different genetics.

Because incident rates different dramatically, then death rates will also differ dramatically.

That has nothing to do with the health care system. The health care system can't be judged on how many people get a disease. Only how they are able to diagnose, treat, and cure the disease.

That is survival rate. and all the data clearly show, the US has the best survival rate in the world. There is a reason the government officials in Canada have come to the US for health care.

They make up for CANCER rates with all the other cheaper diseases...idiot.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually, all modern countries spend much less that we do on health care, dupe of the greedy idiot rich GOP. The money spent here is ridiculous. The other argument is irrelevant.

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

Death rate is irrelevant.

If 200 people get cancer here, and 190 survive, that's a fantastic system.

If only 3 people get cancer somewhere else, and all 3 die, that's a terrible system.

Only a moron looks at death rate and would say the place that had all 3 die, was a better health care system, because only 3 died compared to 10 here.

Incidence rates for cancer and all illness are difference in different countries. Different diets, different cultures, even different genetics.

Because incident rates different dramatically, then death rates will also differ dramatically.

That has nothing to do with the health care system. The health care system can't be judged on how many people get a disease. Only how they are able to diagnose, treat, and cure the disease.

That is survival rate. and all the data clearly show, the US has the best survival rate in the world. There is a reason the government officials in Canada have come to the US for health care.

Ah, more insults... jeez dude, A) You tried to make a point but forgot to put in the facts to back you up, and second you insult.

 

[francoHFW]

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

Death rate is irrelevant.

If 200 people get cancer here, and 190 survive, that's a fantastic system.

If only 3 people get cancer somewhere else, and all 3 die, that's a terrible system.

Only a moron looks at death rate and would say the place that had all 3 die, was a better health care system, because only 3 died compared to 10 here.

Incidence rates for cancer and all illness are difference in different countries. Different diets, different cultures, even different genetics.

Because incident rates different dramatically, then death rates will also differ dramatically.

That has nothing to do with the health care system. The health care system can't be judged on how many people get a disease. Only how they are able to diagnose, treat, and cure the disease.

That is survival rate. and all the data clearly show, the US has the best survival rate in the world. There is a reason the government officials in Canada have come to the US for health care.

Ah, more insults... jeez dude, A) You tried to make a point but forgot to put in the facts to back you up, and second you insult.

His insults are ALSO wrong lol...

 

[Andylusion]

Replace the ACA with single payer

According to Harry Reid, that was the Socialists' plan all along - total control of the health care system and the erosion of individual CHOICE.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System
Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Right. It's still a terrible idea. Look around the world, and all the socialized systems are failing. So let's do it here. After all the US government has tons of spare money for free health care......... idiots.

Leftards are like children. They never consider how to pay for it, they just scream like a 2-year-old "I want it!".

The UK system isn't failing. It's not failing in many places, thank you.

Ignorance again..... you don't know jack.

NHS problems 'at their worst since 1990s' - BBC News

"There is now a real risk that patient care will deteriorate as service and financial pressures become overwhelming."

Waiting time targets for A&E, hospital treatment and cancer care all being missed towards the end of the parliament.
​

NHS may be forced to abandon free healthcare for all, says Britain's top doctor as he warns service needs radical change | Daily Mail Online

Sir Bruce told the Guardian: ‘If the NHS continues to function as it does now, it’s going to really struggle to cope because the model of delivery and service that we have at the moment is not fit for the future.’

Sir Bruce added: ‘If not, we will get to a place where the NHS becomes unaffordable and we will have to make some very difficult decisions which will get to the very heart of the principle of the NHS and its values.​

He denied claims that ambulance services, A&E and GP surgeries are struggling to cope and are in crisis – despite waiting times at A&E being at their worst levels in a decade.

Three of the 10 ambulance trusts in England have had to declare a critical alert over the winter.
​

I'll say it again. The facts are on my side. You either start learning something, or by default admit you are too ignorant to be in this discussion.

Every time you people say "oh it works great" I look it up and it doesn't. The NHS is on the brink of a major problems. Hardly an "it works great". I don't see US ambulance services claiming they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Of course, that's a Capitalist system. Thankfully they have a socialized system...... which " it works great" apparently.

 

[Andylusion]

$2,550 is spend on average by every person in the US on healthcare waste.

It's amazing how arrogant people like you are. How do you know it's a waste? What if it isn't?

I've already shown numerous examples where the reason why other countries spend less on health care, is because they get less on health care.

So basically, you are complaining because our people get better health care? That's a "waste" in your book? Who are you again? Some partisan crack pot?

We spend 18% of GDP on heath care, France 11%, UK 8%- and they live longer. Read something..

ALL CANCERS DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

USA 130
Spain 127
Italy 124
New Zealand 120

So if the US has far superior healthcare, then why doesn't it have lower cancer death rates than these countries?
The UK spends half (per GDP and less per person) than the US, and yet it's cancer death rate is 140, surely it should be much higher than that.

Death rate is irrelevant.

If 200 people get cancer here, and 190 survive, that's a fantastic system.

If only 3 people get cancer somewhere else, and all 3 die, that's a terrible system.

Only a moron looks at death rate and would say the place that had all 3 die, was a better health care system, because only 3 died compared to 10 here.

Incidence rates for cancer and all illness are difference in different countries. Different diets, different cultures, even different genetics.

Because incident rates different dramatically, then death rates will also differ dramatically.

That has nothing to do with the health care system. The health care system can't be judged on how many people get a disease. Only how they are able to diagnose, treat, and cure the disease.

That is survival rate. and all the data clearly show, the US has the best survival rate in the world. There is a reason the government officials in Canada have come to the US for health care.

Ah, more insults... jeez dude, A) You tried to make a point but forgot to put in the facts to back you up, and second you insult.

No, I didn't forget. You are intentionally ignoring the facts, because it doesn't support your partisan narrative.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Replace the ACA with single payer

According to Harry Reid, that was the Socialists' plan all along - total control of the health care system and the erosion of individual CHOICE.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System
Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Right. It's still a terrible idea. Look around the world, and all the socialized systems are failing. So let's do it here. After all the US government has tons of spare money for free health care......... idiots.

Leftards are like children. They never consider how to pay for it, they just scream like a 2-year-old "I want it!".

The UK system isn't failing. It's not failing in many places, thank you.

Ignorance again..... you don't know jack.

NHS problems 'at their worst since 1990s' - BBC News

"There is now a real risk that patient care will deteriorate as service and financial pressures become overwhelming."

Waiting time targets for A&E, hospital treatment and cancer care all being missed towards the end of the parliament.
​

View attachment 103407
NHS may be forced to abandon free healthcare for all, says Britain's top doctor as he warns service needs radical change | Daily Mail Online

Sir Bruce told the Guardian: ‘If the NHS continues to function as it does now, it’s going to really struggle to cope because the model of delivery and service that we have at the moment is not fit for the future.’

Sir Bruce added: ‘If not, we will get to a place where the NHS becomes unaffordable and we will have to make some very difficult decisions which will get to the very heart of the principle of the NHS and its values.​

He denied claims that ambulance services, A&E and GP surgeries are struggling to cope and are in crisis – despite waiting times at A&E being at their worst levels in a decade.

Three of the 10 ambulance trusts in England have had to declare a critical alert over the winter.
​

I'll say it again. The facts are on my side. You either start learning something, or by default admit you are too ignorant to be in this discussion.

Every time you people say "oh it works great" I look it up and it doesn't. The NHS is on the brink of a major problems. Hardly an "it works great". I don't see US ambulance services claiming they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Of course, that's a Capitalist system. Thankfully they have a socialized system...... which " it works great" apparently.

Fine, I'm done with you. You keep up the attacks and the insults, you don't get debate. Maybe try getting an argument and debating, rather than attacks and insults.

 

[Andylusion]

Replace the ACA with single payer

According to Harry Reid, that was the Socialists' plan all along - total control of the health care system and the erosion of individual CHOICE.


Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System
Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

Right. It's still a terrible idea. Look around the world, and all the socialized systems are failing. So let's do it here. After all the US government has tons of spare money for free health care......... idiots.

Leftards are like children. They never consider how to pay for it, they just scream like a 2-year-old "I want it!".

The UK system isn't failing. It's not failing in many places, thank you.

Ignorance again..... you don't know jack.

NHS problems 'at their worst since 1990s' - BBC News

"There is now a real risk that patient care will deteriorate as service and financial pressures become overwhelming."

Waiting time targets for A&E, hospital treatment and cancer care all being missed towards the end of the parliament.
​

View attachment 103407
NHS may be forced to abandon free healthcare for all, says Britain's top doctor as he warns service needs radical change | Daily Mail Online

Sir Bruce told the Guardian: ‘If the NHS continues to function as it does now, it’s going to really struggle to cope because the model of delivery and service that we have at the moment is not fit for the future.’

Sir Bruce added: ‘If not, we will get to a place where the NHS becomes unaffordable and we will have to make some very difficult decisions which will get to the very heart of the principle of the NHS and its values.​

He denied claims that ambulance services, A&E and GP surgeries are struggling to cope and are in crisis – despite waiting times at A&E being at their worst levels in a decade.

Three of the 10 ambulance trusts in England have had to declare a critical alert over the winter.
​

I'll say it again. The facts are on my side. You either start learning something, or by default admit you are too ignorant to be in this discussion.

Every time you people say "oh it works great" I look it up and it doesn't. The NHS is on the brink of a major problems. Hardly an "it works great". I don't see US ambulance services claiming they are on the verge of bankruptcy. Of course, that's a Capitalist system. Thankfully they have a socialized system...... which " it works great" apparently.

Fine, I'm done with you. You keep up the attacks and the insults, you don't get debate. Maybe try getting an argument and debating, rather than attacks and insults.

Was I supposed to care? The facts are on my side. I am right, and I know I'm right.

You are wrong. I know you are wrong, whether you know it yet or not.

By all means, don't respond anymore. We both know you'll never accept the facts, because you don't want to. So by all means... shut up and go away.