Orban bans free assembly and free association

[Tommy Tainant]

Glass houses and all that. Until the UK stops putting Christians in prison for merely preaching and praying for people, they have no room to talk.

They were harrassing pregnant women. It isnt the same thing at all.

 

[CowboyTed]

Orban is a Nationalist who puts the interests of his Country and people before the EU and the US Empire, don't worry if he looks like winning the next election the usual suspects will try and stop him like they did in Romania when they banned the guy who looked like winning because he was not a total vassal of the Empire.

Orban is a fucking croook who steals of his own people...

Nice try... Deadstick this is boring, you are Russian stooge who will push all day Russian mantra....

Explain how Orban's friend from small town became the richest man in Hungary ever... Please explain that...

 

[hadit]

They were harrassing prefnant women. It isnt the same thing at all.

Under the law as it is written, can a street preacher be incarcerated for publicly praying over someone who agrees that he can? Can he be arrested for merely quoting the Bible out loud in public? Can someone be arrested for standing quietly on a public sidewalk, praying silently in their head? I have seen that happen, BTW. Can someone be arrested for wearing a shirt that says, "Choose Life" while in their own home if their home is too close to an abortion clinic?

That's the issue.

 

[CowboyTed]

Under the law as it is written, can a street preacher be incarcerated for publicly praying over someone who agrees that he can? Can he be arrested for merely quoting the Bible out loud in public? Can someone be arrested for standing quietly on a public sidewalk, praying silently in their head? I have seen that happen, BTW. Can someone be arrested for wearing a shirt that says, "Choose Life" while in their own home if their home is too close to an abortion clinic?

That's the issue.

Give links....

I don't know of a law that states this..

 

[hadit]

Give links....

I don't know of a law that states this..

This is what Christians are facing now in Scotland:

Does Scotland Really Ban ‘Private Prayer’ in Homes Near Abortion Clinics? – EWTN Great Britain

I know there's a lot of dust in the air right now about these new laws, but it's coming.

 

[Foxfyre]

It really isnt. Hetero songs and films can be explicitly sexual. Nobody is banning Madonna.

The crap the militant activist LGBTQX+++ has been and wants to expose American children to is far FAR more explicit, vulgar, inappropriate than anything Madonna does. Even Madonna is bound by 'decency' laws we have for public expression. Those militant activists have not been bound by anything.

 

[CowboyTed]

This is what Christians are facing now in Scotland:

Does Scotland Really Ban ‘Private Prayer’ in Homes Near Abortion Clinics? – EWTN Great Britain

I know there's a lot of dust in the air right now about these new laws, but it's coming.

Sorry, you need to a better source than opinion piece from ETWN.
They are considered fringe by other religious publicans...

EWTN's voice is powerful, partisan and problematic

Distinctly Catholic: Despite their insistence that they are loyal to the magisterium, EWTN has always been highly selective in presenting church teaching. They distort some teachings and ignore others.

www.ncronline.org

Can I also [point out this works both ways...

Places of worship to be protected from intimidating protests

New police powers to protect worshippers from intimidating protests and the new National Holocaust Memorial to be added to list of protected sites.

www.gov.uk

In Europe there is an enforced respect in law... They put high limits on freedom of expression and give rights for people to not be intimidated... You can disagree or agree, but no protests at Churches or Abortion Clinics... They at least call the law fairly on both sides...

This is what ETWN doesn't tell you... It doesn't tell you that UK do it to both sides fairly... They just paint there side as persecuted and then expect you to pick up their cause... I am sure there is someone on the other side doing the same too. But two wrongs don't make a right..

 

[CowboyTed]

The crap the militant activist LGBTQX+++ has been and wants to expose American children to is far FAR more explicit, vulgar, inappropriate than anything Madonna does. Even Madonna is bound by 'decency' laws we have for public expression. Those militant activists have not been bound by anything.

Have you read the Bible... Some really fucked up stuff in that...

 

[Foxfyre]

Have you read the Bible... Some really fucked up stuff in that...

I've read the Bible through several times. There is absolutely nothing in it to compare to those parade displays or vulgar tranny shows that should never be allowed in public. Do them in private settings for adults only if that's your cup of tea. But don't target the kids.

 

[hadit]

Sorry, you need to a better source than opinion piece from ETWN.
They are considered fringe by other religious publicans...

EWTN's voice is powerful, partisan and problematic

Distinctly Catholic: Despite their insistence that they are loyal to the magisterium, EWTN has always been highly selective in presenting church teaching. They distort some teachings and ignore others.

www.ncronline.org

Can I also [point out this works both ways...

Places of worship to be protected from intimidating protests

New police powers to protect worshippers from intimidating protests and the new National Holocaust Memorial to be added to list of protected sites.

www.gov.uk

In Europe there is an enforced respect in law... They put high limits on freedom of expression and give rights for people to not be intimidated... You can disagree or agree, but no protests at Churches or Abortion Clinics... They at least call the law fairly on both sides...

This is what ETWN doesn't tell you... It doesn't tell you that UK do it to both sides fairly... They just paint there side as persecuted and then expect you to pick up their cause... I am sure there is someone on the other side doing the same too. But two wrongs don't make a right..

And places of worship should be protected from intimidation and disruption. That's not what I'm talking about. I have seen a woman arrested for silently praying, simply standing on a sidewalk, disturbing no one, no signs, no noise, no approaching anyone, nothing more than just standing there. The policeman literally asked her if she was praying and arrested her when she said she was. That's a problem, even if the Birmingham police later dropped the charges.

 

[CowboyTed]

I've read the Bible through several times. There is absolutely nothing in it to compare to those parade displays or vulgar tranny shows that should never be allowed in public. Do them in private settings for adults only if that's your cup of tea. But don't target the kids.

• Genesis 19:30-38:
  The daughters of Lot inebriate their father and have sex with him, leading to the birth of Moab and Ben-Ammi.
  
  Took two secs... There is shit load of stuff in the bible... You obviously have not read the bible..

 

[CowboyTed]

And places of worship should be protected from intimidation and disruption. That's not what I'm talking about. I have seen a woman arrested for silently praying, simply standing on a sidewalk, disturbing no one, no signs, no noise, no approaching anyone, nothing more than just standing there. The policeman literally asked her if she was praying and arrested her when she said she was. That's a problem, even if the Birmingham police later dropped the charges.

Right... Please give us the evidence of that...

No heresy here..

 

[hadit]

• Genesis 19:30-38:
  The daughters of Lot inebriate their father and have sex with him, leading to the birth of Moab and Ben-Ammi.
  
  Took two secs... There is shit load of stuff in the bible... You obviously have not read the bible..

Yes, Lot's daughters raped him after he offered them up for rape. The Bible doesn't sugarcoat what people did.

 

[hadit]

Right... Please give us the evidence of that...

No heresy here..

Christian woman arrested for silent prayer receives compensation from police Christian woman arrested for silent prayer receives compensation from police

Vaughan-Spruce was first arrested in November 2022 for silently praying in a censored “buffer zone”. The zone, covering several streets in the Kings Norton area of Birmingham, was installed by local authorities via a Public Spaces Protection Order and banned all expressions of “approval or disapproval with respect to issues related to abortion services, by any means” within a large vicinity of an abortion facility.

In what is widely thought to be the first “thoughtcrime” case prosecuted in 21st Century Britain, Vaughan-Spruce was searched by police (including through her hair); arrested, criminally charged and tried – even though she had prayed imperceptibly and not expressed any opinion outside of her own mind.

In February 2023, Vaughan-Spruce, was fully acquitted of all charges at Birmingham Magistrates’ Court after the prosecution were unable to offer evidence to support the charge. ADF UK supported her legal defence.

Yet only a matter of weeks later, Vaughan-Spruce was arrested for the same activity yet again – silently thinking prayerful thoughts on a public street within the censored “buffer zone”. Six police officers attended the scene, with one confirming to her that “you’ve said you’re engaging in prayer, which is the offence”

- snip -

The Public Order Act, adopted in 2023, is set to be rolled out by the Labour Government, and will ban all forms of “influencing” within 150m of all abortion facilities nationwide.

The ambiguous wording of the ban has worried volunteers that engaging in consensual conversation, praying, or simply offering a leaflet about help services available will lead to a criminal conviction, in further breach of rights to freedom of speech and thought.

Already, two further members of the public have been charged and are set to face trial in relation to locally-imposed “buffer zones”.

Adam Smith-Connor, a military veteran who prayed silently about his own encounter with abortion near a facility in Bournemouth, will face trial at Poole Magistrates’ Court on the basis of his silent thoughts. Livia Tossici-Bolt, a retired scientist, will face trial in the same location for having held a sign reading “here to talk, if you want”. Both individuals are receiving legal support from ADF UK.

And more links to stories about her, lest ye fall into the trap of blaming the source.

Woman arrested for silent prayer outside abortion clinic notches legal win but still faces potential charges

Priest and woman arrested as they 'silently prayed' cleared of 'thoughtcrime'

How many sources do you demand?

 

[Foxfyre]

• Genesis 19:30-38:
  The daughters of Lot inebriate their father and have sex with him, leading to the birth of Moab and Ben-Ammi.
  
  Took two secs... There is shit load of stuff in the bible... You obviously have not read the bible..

And there is nothing sexually explicit in those accounts or other accounts in the Bible referring to sex. You probably think the story of Mary and Joseph is 'vulgar' when it isn't at all. Nothing there that children should not read or have read to them.

Nothing whatsoever to compare with the videos in the OP in this thread:

Thread 'Where do you draw the line?'

Oct 18, 2022

It has become a fad thing, i.e. DRAG BRUNCHES where drag queens strut their stuff to entertain diners, often when young children are present. And it isn't always just guys dancing in dresses and having harmless fun but lifting their skirts to flaunt underwear, rubbing their crotches to draw attention there, have a grand old time, but sometimes quite vulgar and inappropriate for kids.

So then the PROUD BOYS armed to the teeth--something I would NEVER condone or approve of--show up to picket a Roanoke restaurant featuring a 'drag brunch' that might or might not have included the more vulgar...

• Foxfyre
• Replies: 121
• Forum: Politics

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Or as Megyn Kelly expressed re a gay pride parade in Seattle

Megyn Kelly blasts ‘open penis showing’ at Pride parades in front of children

Megyn Kelly blasted “open penis showing” at Pride events like those in Seattle over the weekend, where men on bicycles appeared fully nude in public and in full view of children. &#8220…

nypost.com

Youtube has apparently removed all the video of other gay pride parades with guys flaunting huge strap on penises and such.

The mentally disordered people defend this sort of thing or try to pretend the Bible or whatever is just as bad.

Sane decent people know better.

 

[Papageorgio]

• Genesis 19:30-38:
  The daughters of Lot inebriate their father and have sex with him, leading to the birth of Moab and Ben-Ammi.
  
  Took two secs... There is shit load of stuff in the bible... You obviously have not read the bible..

It is messed up but not descriptive, big difference there dude.

 

[Deadstick]

Orban is a fucking croook who steals of his own people...

Nice try... Deadstick this is boring, you are Russian stooge who will push all day Russian mantra....

Explain how Orban's friend from small town became the richest man in Hungary ever... Please explain that...

Give it a rest with this Russian stooge bollocks for anyone who challenges you, and i have no idea what you are talking about with the guy in a small Town, maybe you can tell me, by the way i am not a big fan of Orban but the Empire won't tolerate anyone who doesn't follow their instructions without question, remember the same scumbags accuse Putin of stealing from Russians when in fact he stopped the looting of Russia by Western corporate jackals under that piss head Yeltsin and cracked down on the Oligarchs, that is why most live in London and the South of France and Israel, that is the reason they hate Putin, he saved Russia.

 

[CowboyTed]

Christian woman arrested for silent prayer receives compensation from police Christian woman arrested for silent prayer receives compensation from police

Vaughan-Spruce was first arrested in November 2022 for silently praying in a censored “buffer zone”. The zone, covering several streets in the Kings Norton area of Birmingham, was installed by local authorities via a Public Spaces Protection Order and banned all expressions of “approval or disapproval with respect to issues related to abortion services, by any means” within a large vicinity of an abortion facility.

In what is widely thought to be the first “thoughtcrime” case prosecuted in 21st Century Britain, Vaughan-Spruce was searched by police (including through her hair); arrested, criminally charged and tried – even though she had prayed imperceptibly and not expressed any opinion outside of her own mind.

In February 2023, Vaughan-Spruce, was fully acquitted of all charges at Birmingham Magistrates’ Court after the prosecution were unable to offer evidence to support the charge. ADF UK supported her legal defence.

Yet only a matter of weeks later, Vaughan-Spruce was arrested for the same activity yet again – silently thinking prayerful thoughts on a public street within the censored “buffer zone”. Six police officers attended the scene, with one confirming to her that “you’ve said you’re engaging in prayer, which is the offence”

- snip -

The Public Order Act, adopted in 2023, is set to be rolled out by the Labour Government, and will ban all forms of “influencing” within 150m of all abortion facilities nationwide.

The ambiguous wording of the ban has worried volunteers that engaging in consensual conversation, praying, or simply offering a leaflet about help services available will lead to a criminal conviction, in further breach of rights to freedom of speech and thought.

Already, two further members of the public have been charged and are set to face trial in relation to locally-imposed “buffer zones”.

Adam Smith-Connor, a military veteran who prayed silently about his own encounter with abortion near a facility in Bournemouth, will face trial at Poole Magistrates’ Court on the basis of his silent thoughts. Livia Tossici-Bolt, a retired scientist, will face trial in the same location for having held a sign reading “here to talk, if you want”. Both individuals are receiving legal support from ADF UK.

And more links to stories about her, lest ye fall into the trap of blaming the source.

Woman arrested for silent prayer outside abortion clinic notches legal win but still faces potential charges

Priest and woman arrested as they 'silently prayed' cleared of 'thoughtcrime'

How many sources do you demand?

They were fully acquitted of all charges... So the law was on their side...

Shouldn't have been arrested...

But clearly the law states they can do that...

"You said Under the law as it is written, can a street preacher be incarcerated for publicly praying over someone who agrees that he can"

But the court's say you can't do that....

 

[hadit]

They were fully acquitted of all charges... So the law was on their side...

Shouldn't have been arrested...

But clearly the law states they can do that...

"You said Under the law as it is written, can a street preacher be incarcerated for publicly praying over someone who agrees that he can"

But the court's say you can't do that....

I asked a question.

These people were arrested for silently praying. That alone is a travesty, they deserve every bit of compensation that they can get, and the arresting officers should undergo mandatory training on how to leave people alone who are simply standing on a sidewalk, bothering no one.

 

[CowboyTed]

I asked a question.

These people were arrested for silently praying. That alone is a travesty, they deserve every bit of compensation that they can get, and the arresting officers should undergo mandatory training on how to leave people alone who are simply standing on a sidewalk, bothering no one.

Totally agree...

This was policing fuck up...

This is the Midlands Police and being Irish I am not going to defend them

Check out Birmingham 6....

UK police is having scandal after scandal for the last few years... Moral is poor, discipline is bad and mistakes are happening...

The courts set them straight...