Reinstate the Draft

[dilloduck]

And you get a choice---You can recieve military training or "do the work Americans wont do". There are many ways to serve your country as anti-war folks are so quick to point out. Doing some time serving your country in whatever capacity that may be may make you a little more protective and appreciative of it.

 

[Huckleburry]

I am all for national service. Though I will not join the armed forces (I thought about the marines) I would gladly do a year of national service.

 

[dilloduck]

I am all for national service. Though I will not join the armed forces (I thought about the marines) I would gladly do a year of national service.

Guess your the only one but I was just brainstorming about solutions and came up with this idea. Soldiers don't get paid crap for the commitment they make and the risks they take. Doing some basic sevice to help the country from being dependent on foreign labor doesn't seem to be asking that much. Get some small pay and a hell of a lot of life experience as opposed to sitting on your ass experience. I dont care what anyone says--the military helped a lot of men grow up to be better than they ever would have.

 

[GotZoom]

I say take all the illegal aliens and tell them they have an opportunity to prove how badly they want to become an American.

Six weeks of training, two years serving in the Middle East and when they come back, they are U.S. citizens.

 

[Huckleburry]

I think your view of immigrants is mis informed. The US has a long history of using immigrants to grow the economy and keep inflation low. If one reviews our history it becomes clear that our immigration policy has been one of the most successfull in human history. Why does everyone suddenly want to change that? why are we looking to france for advice on immigration. All of those damn illigeals perform important services in the economy. I say let them stay and get them on the tax roles and the road to citizenship. Certainly everyother group in the country has been afforded a similar opportunity. Why change was isnt broken?

I do not think that National Service should be a time for young people to be working crummy jobs. Rather it should be used as an opportunity to get kids far away from home, and in contact with places and people radically different. Take kids from the inner city and have them do park work in montana. Take kids from montana and have them working at day care centers in So-Cal. Teach kids first aid, leadership, and dicipline. While also exposing them to another side of their own country. That way tommorow's leadership has some understanding of people from different places and different backrounds.

Huck

 

[Diuretic]

Damn good idea Huck. Speaking from my own national and cultural perspective it wouldn't get off the ground here, there would be moans from everywhere, but it would certainly give young people a valuable lesson in citizenship and in developing a positive personality.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Damn good idea Huck. Speaking from my own national and cultural perspective it wouldn't get off the ground here, there would be moans from everywhere, but it would certainly give young people a valuable lesson in citizenship and in developing a positive personality.

Just like 12 years of mandatory government-run schools, eh?

National service is a load of national-socialist crap and unamerican. It violates the 14th amendment, and after our youths go through the bare minimum motions of performing their duties, they will be two years behind their peers in other countries. They will also be quite sour on doing volunteer charity work once released--"Help my fellow man? F*** dat noise, dat's GUBMINT'S job!"

 

[dilloduck]

Just like 12 years of mandatory government-run schools, eh?

National service is a load of national-socialist crap and unamerican. It violates the 14th amendment, and after our youths go through the bare minimum motions of performing their duties, they will be two years behind their peers in other countries. They will also be quite sour on doing volunteer charity work once released--"Help my fellow man? F*** dat noise, dat's GUBMINT'S job!"

It's an alternative to miltary service----let it count as a couple of years of school--they dont learn crap there anyway. They don't know how to do manual labor for God sakes. How fucking pitiful.

 

[Annie]

It's an alternative to miltary service----let it count as a couple of years of school--they dont learn crap there anyway. They don't know how to do manual labor for God sakes. How fucking pitiful.

I don't know about TX, but in Illinois, by the time the kids graduate, assuming on time, they will have completed about 130 hours of service hours.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

It's an alternative to miltary service----let it count as a couple of years of school--they dont learn crap there anyway. They don't know how to do manual labor for God sakes. How fucking pitiful.

Yes, they don't learn crap, precisely because schooling is a government-run program (which also needs to be abolished). Switching to another government-run program won't help. And I doubt any of today's youths lack understanding of how to do manual labor; they lack the will. If you want to foster hardy self-reliance, kill socialism.

 

[Diuretic]

Just like 12 years of mandatory government-run schools, eh?

National service is a load of national-socialist crap and unamerican. It violates the 14th amendment, and after our youths go through the bare minimum motions of performing their duties, they will be two years behind their peers in other countries. They will also be quite sour on doing volunteer charity work once released--"Help my fellow man? F*** dat noise, dat's GUBMINT'S job!"

How is it a breach of the 14th Amendment?

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Ha ha, whoops...that should be the 13th amendment, not 14th. The one that outlaws slavery.

 

[Huckleburry]

If anything we need to put more into our public education system. How would an information based economy function without a highly educated population. We have been at the top of the heap for several decades now our economic growth has also coincided with the best educational system in the world. Our educational system is beggining to detrioate and with it our competiveness. Correlation???? I think so

 

[Diuretic]

I don't know if it's a breach of any Amendment of the Constitution but anyway I'll stand corrected on it. If it is then I suppose it pretty much kills the idea but I still think it has merit.

 

[jillian]

I don't know if it's a breach of any Amendment of the Constitution but anyway I'll stand corrected on it. If it is then I suppose it pretty much kills the idea but I still think it has merit.

It's not a breach of any Amendment of the Constitution. Some people think government has no function aside from the common defense. And giving people a choice of public service in lieu of a draft isn't slavery, particularly when they'd have to be paid -- same as military personnel who were drafted.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

If anything we need to put more into our public education system. How would an information based economy function without a highly educated population. We have been at the top of the heap for several decades now our economic growth has also coincided with the best educational system in the world. Our educational system is beggining to detrioate and with it our competiveness. Correlation???? I think so

You're assuming that government-mandated education is the only way education can exist, which isn't actually true. You noted that declining education standards correlate with declining competitiveness, but correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. They could be cause/effect...or it could be cause/cause, with some other third effect. Namely, a big power-hungry government. We spend far more per pupil than other countries, and yet get inferior results. Only government could do that on such a large scale.

It's not a breach of any Amendment of the Constitution. Some people think government has no function aside from the common defense. And giving people a choice of public service in lieu of a draft isn't slavery, particularly when they'd have to be paid -- same as military personnel who were drafted.

It's a clear breach of the 13th amendment, as is the draft. If you don't like the 13th, amend it, but don't just pretend it's not there. But as it stands now, the only exception is for convicts. You can pay somebody for their involuntary labor, but it's still involuntary labor. The State will still point a gun in your face if you decide you can run your life better than they can, thus it's still slavery. Plantation owners could pay their slaves a penny a day but it's still slavery.

 

[Nuc]

And you get a choice---You can recieve military training or "do the work Americans wont do". There are many ways to serve your country as anti-war folks are so quick to point out. Doing some time serving your country in whatever capacity that may be may make you a little more protective and appreciative of it.

Good idea, have you talked to your representative about it?

Anyway they should bring back the draft so it's not just a bunch of cannon fodder serving in the military. When there is not a broad based demographic in the military (i.e. only poor people) the powers that be are much more enthusiastic about sending the boys off on stupid misadventures. :usa:

 

[pegwinn]

The draft is a bad idea. But it isn't slavery.

National Service is not a bad idea, but it should be voluntary. If you do natioanl service you get this or that. If you don't then you are ineligible for federal education loans or somesuch.

The biggest problem with education isn't the feds or the system or lack of funding. It's the parents.

 

[dilloduck]

Good idea, have you talked to your representative about it?

Anyway they should bring back the draft so it's not just a bunch of cannon fodder serving in the military. When there is not a broad based demographic in the military (i.e. only poor people) the powers that be are much more enthusiastic about sending the boys off on stupid misadventures. :usa:

In Austin??---We have dolts for representatives--I'm looking for solutions. We have all these jobs that "Americans won't do". Kick out the illegals, subsidize some folks to do the work, save money, be independent from foreign labor. Just an idea.

 

[5stringJeff]

Here's what I would do: any illegal caught in the US has two choices: deportation or four year's service in the military. Those who complete four years of honorable service get citizenship.