Let us talk Ukraine and the Left for a moment, so you can find out who/whom did this to the USA!

I agree with your last point…which makes how they’ve been able to have their way with the xiden admin even more pathetic

So glad this dark chapter is in the rear view

Except they really haven't had their way... Putin is getting his ass kicked so bad he has had to rely on North Korean Troops.

Now Trump is getting ready to sell Ukraine out. Somewhere, Neville Chamberlain is laughing.
 
Except they really haven't had their way... Putin is getting his ass kicked so bad he has had to rely on North Korean Troops.

Now Trump is getting ready to sell Ukraine out. Somewhere, Neville Chamberlain is laughing.
Of course he’s had his way. There was no invasion until he had xiden freeze foreign aid….thousands have died

There is no way to end this now with out Putin getting something. Thanks to xiden. Yes Xiden had made the alliance between Russia, NK, Iran and China even stronger…sad

And let’s not forget this all started because xiden surrendered to the terrorist.
 
Of course he’s had his way. There was no invasion until he had xiden freeze foreign aid….thousands have died

There is no way to end this now with out Putin getting something. Thanks to xiden. Yes Xiden had made the alliance between Russia, NK, Iran and China even stronger…sad

And let’s not forget this all started because xiden surrendered to the terrorist.

Now you are getting delusional. I don't know if there is even a way to counter this level of illiteracy.

Sure there's a way out. Keep supporting Ukraine until the Russian Oligarchs depose Putin. He's already cost them billions.
 
The entry of China into European affairs is alarming.

We should slap them hard for what they just did.
 
Now you are getting delusional. I don't know if there is even a way to counter this level of illiteracy.

Sure there's a way out. Keep supporting Ukraine until the Russian Oligarchs depose Putin. He's already cost them billions.
Haha it’s just facts

No, nobody in Russia is getting rid of Putin

Much like the demafacist party held on to xiden, and refused to admit he was senile (even when his own DOJ said he was to senile to prosecute) the Russians will not get rid of Putin.

Face it the only reason xiden didn’t finish the race was because we still have democracy in this country, and you all were forced to depose him
 
2. Russia is now the most powerful and capable military force in the world.
in your wet 🇷🇺 dreams only

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the reality :



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PURE UNADULTERERATED BULLCRAP.

The CIA and Victoria Nuland convinced Obama to depose Ukraine's duly elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

The CIA then installed Poroshenko and Zelenskyy as its Puppets Prime Ministers.

Ethnic Russians East of the Dnipro River rejected the Puppets.

Zelenskyy immedialy declared the Etnic Russians as "domestic terrorists" and began a genocide.

Putin demanded for 8 years that Ukraine's status as a neutral zone be restored. Nuland, et al concluded that Putin would never invade Ukraine and that the US could ignore him,

Putin finally invaded to prevent the Ethnic Russian's slaughter and defend its territory, ie East Ukraine.
The CIA and Victoria Nuland convinced Obama to depose Ukraine's duly elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

The CIA then installed Poroshenko and Zelenskyy as its Puppets Prime Ministers.

Ethnic Russians East of the Dnipro River rejected the Puppets.

Zelenskyy immedialy declared the Etnic Russians as "domestic terrorists" and began a genocide.

Putin demanded for 8 years that Ukraine's status as a neutral zone be restored. Nuland, et al concluded that Putin would never invade Ukraine and that the US could ignore him,

Putin finally invaded to prevent the Ethnic Russian's slaughter and defend its territory, ie East Ukraine.

 
The CIA and Victoria Nuland convinced Obama to depose Ukraine's duly elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

The CIA then installed Poroshenko and Zelenskyy as its Puppets Prime Ministers.

Except Zelensky won an election.

Yanukovych was deposed because he had protestors shot dead in the street.

Ethnic Russians East of the Dnipro River rejected the Puppets.

Zelenskyy immedialy declared the Etnic Russians as "domestic terrorists" and began a genocide.

Um, if you take up arms against the government, you are a terrorist. Deal with it.

Putin demanded for 8 years that Ukraine's status as a neutral zone be restored. Nuland, et al concluded that Putin would never invade Ukraine and that the US could ignore him,

Putin has no right to makes such a demand. If Ukraine wants to join the EU or NATO, it should be allowed to do so.


Putin finally invaded to prevent the Ethnic Russian's slaughter and defend its territory, ie East Ukraine.
Except that's not Russia's territory. They signed treaties to that effect, and the West promised to enforce them.
 
Except Zelensky won an election.

Zlenskyy "won" the election only after Victoria Nuland spent $5,000,000,000.00 to get him elected.
Yanukovych was deposed because he had protestors shot dead in the street.

The Maidan Revolution was orchestrated by the CIA, Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Ross Pyatt
Um, if you take up arms against the government, you are a terrorist. Deal with it.

Crimea was an independent Republic - If Ukraine was permitted to declare its independence from the USSR then so could Crimea declare its independence from Ukraine.

Putin has no right to makes such a demand. If Ukraine wants to join the EU or NATO, it should be allowed to do so.

So did Cuba - Cuba had the right to have Soviet made nuclear Missiles in its territory - Afther the Cuban Missile Crisis it was understood that the Super powers wouls not allow missiles so close to its territory

Except that's not Russia's territory. They signed treaties to that effect, and the West promised to enforce them.

The historical evidence shows that Nikita Kruschev gave Kiev ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL of the area then known as NEW RUSSIA - the area East of the Dnipro River
Except Zelensky won an election.

Yanukovych was deposed because he had protestors shot dead in the street.



Um, if you take up arms against the government, you are a terrorist. Deal with it.



Putin has no right to makes such a demand. If Ukraine wants to join the EU or NATO, it should be allowed to do so.



Except that's not Russia's territory. They signed treaties to that effect, and the West promised to enforce them.
 
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Zlenskyy "won" the election only after Victoria Nuland spent $5,000,000,000.00 to get him elected.

Victoria Nuland is hiding under your bed right now and she's going to get you, Ivan!

The historical evidence shows that Nikita Kruschev gave Kiev ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL of the then known as NEW RUSSIA - the area East of the Dnipro River

Yes, he did. And Russia agreed to that border when the USSR was thankfully cast into the dustbin of history.
 
Litwin and others, want you to believe we should be at the beckoning side of Ukraine...........and maybe we should be............but do you know WHY we are put in this position? Let me explain it to you, then YOU make your own call on it, and there really is no right, or wrong answer-------->

After the former USSR collapsed, Ukraine after it became independent, became the NUMBER 3 NUCLEAR power in the world for a short time. It had nuclear missiles everywhere. In 1994, The Commander and Chief......Bill Clinstone.....cut a deal.........kinda like what he did with North Korea, but that deal with North Korea is a topic for a different thread!

Anyway, Clinstone, the UK, and Russia all guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty, IF they would divest themselves of all those nuclear missiles they had on their land. I never did read if those missiles were dismantled, or they gave them back to Russia, but needless to say the nukes went away........and Ukraine went along its merry way as a free nation. Russia was doing Glasnost and all that other wonderful stuff, so on the surface it appeared, Europe was all good. The US gave the Ukraine a little taxpayer cash to help them along.

And then, along came Putin!

From the time Putin took control of Russia, he knew his country had ZERO/NADA/FORGET ABOUT IT chance to win any sort of conventional war with the West. But he didn't have to IF he convinced the West if they stood against his wishes, he would NUKE them. Americans NEED to understand something---------->Russia is a PAPER TIGER militarily without NUKES, (which is why they have asked China and North Korea for help) which is why EVERY threat they throw at us is NUCLEAR. If they proclaimed they were going to attack us or Europe with conventional weapons, their tanks and troops would get blown off the road and destroyed before they got 10 mls out of Russian territory!

Point for us all is----------> I do NOT know what Trump told Putin......there are many instances on what was/and was not said. But Putin said, nope, not now, bad idea.

And then along came Joe and Kammy! Now that YOU as Americans know, that WE........in other words the USA........guaranteed the INDEPENDENCE of Ukraine, what do YOU think the level of fear Joe and Kammy threw into the Kremlin? Even the UKs commitment has looked relatively weak, has it not.......considering they also signed on as protectors of Ukraine's independence. Do you think if Ukraine was told that if attacked, we would just give them weapons, and not great ones, they would have agreed? They gave up NUKES, and less than 20 years later, they are invaded by the same people that they had won their independence from in the 1st place!

And so, is Ukraine a member of NATO? Not really. They are loosely tied with them, but full membership has eluded them as they did not push hard for it until Russia decided to invade. Therefore, the only tie we have to them is our word to protect their sovereignty; but truth be told, the rest of Europe has a much larger interest in how that war goes than we do. They need to be the ones most concerned as Russia will expand anywhere they can that is NOT in NATO, because under the NATO treaty, an attacked NATO member can claim that "an attack 1 is an attack on all," bringing all NATO nations military to bear.

As an aside for your information, the ONLY country EVER to invoke that clause was the USA after the 9-11 attacks; which is EXACTLY why you had such a large coalition in the Middle East. Had the powers that be unleashed the military to do what it does best at that time, we would NOT be having the problems we are having today! Iran, etc would be no more. This is why most adversaries do NOT like Trump at all, they FEAR him!

And so, the ending point is------------>we had better hope that whatever Trump said to Putin, Xi, and Kim work again in ADMINISTRATION number 2, because the Biden/Harris administration has put this country in a real pickle by what they let happen, while doing nothing to push back but give weapons; and not great ones to boot.

Our leaders really have a choice; a choice you will be debating going forward, which Russians and Middle Eastern adversaries will monitor------------> we either GIVE Ukraine weapons short of nukes that the Kremlin has no answer for believing nobody is dumb enough to use NUKES unless their country is invaded, or let Russia have the Ukraine unless all of Europe massively steps in to protect them. Again, there is no correct or incorrect answer, only moral answers.....which in politics, mean NOTHING!
Litwin is a real life troll. As such, his posts mean nothing.
 
Yanukovych was deposed because he had protestors shot dead in the street.
Similar protestors in Georgia are
contemplating a sacrificial lamb slaughter now when the "democracy fighters" are loosing enthusiasm. "We need a dead body, otherwise we're done" some of them have been heard talking amongst themselves yesterday.
 

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