Trump, the "Draft Dodger"

Pardon me for asking an inconvenient question, but if Trump really had bone spurs, why was he playing baseball for a NY Yankees AA team, after passing their physical exam, and being cleared to play at the same time he claimed to the draft board to have bone spurs? :oops:
Bone spurs are common in high intensity multi-sport athletes like Trump was. They are caused by overtraining. They often don't even know they have them until they have an exacerbation.

It's one thing to have to leave a baseball game because of an exacerbation, it's a totally different problem when you are on a forced march several miles into enemy held territory and suddenly become a liability and have to be evacuated to receive treatment for a pre-existing condition.

I'm amazed at how many TDS afflicted morons cannot comprehend that the military did not want recruits with bone spurs in their feet for a damn good reason.
 
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Trump was not a draft dodger, he was rejected due to a physical condition. That is not that same thing, jackass.
You are such a bellend.

The Lefties claim and mouth froth Trump being a draft dodger. When I list others, they fall over themselves to stick up for Muhammad Ali, Einstein, Clinton Biden etc.. for dodging the draft.

It just clearly shows their Trump Derangement Syndrome and agenda.
 
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You are such a bellend.

The Lefties claim and mouth froth Trump being a draft dodger. When I list others, they fall over themselves to stick up for Muhammad Ali, Einstein, Clinton Biden etc.. for dodging the draft.

It just clearly shows their Trump Derangement Syndrome and agenda.
Personally I don't blame anyone for dodging the draft. Conscription is clearly a violation of the 13th amendment.

And I don't believe we had any good reason to be involved in the Vietnam war and Nixon is a hero for getting us out of that war and emancipating the slaves.
 
Oh, I'm sure a great many would and that does not surprise me at all. Height-weight standards, criminal background, drug use, lack of education, failure to pass the ASVAB, I'm sure that is the case of a great many. Hell, I had to lie like hell to get back in in 2007 because of chronic knee pain and tinnitus.

But how many that claim to have asthma?
Off the top of my head, MLB pitcher Matt Clement.

Jay Cutler is diabetic. Notably, so was Catfish Hunter, Jackie Robinson, and Ron Santo.
 
Off the top of my head, MLB pitcher Matt Clement.

Pitchers are a bit different from all other players, in that they are largely stationary during play. And most of the things like running that other players do is largely not expected of them.

Hell, one of my favorite pitchers in MLB is actually Jim Abbott. And there is no question that he could never have served in the military.

And he also shares something in common with my favorite pitcher, Nolan Ryan. He pitched for the California Angels, and they thought he had already peaked so traded him away to another team. Where he turned right around and threw a no-hitter. But all but one year of his ten year career was in the American league, which had a designated hitter rule.



Now only having one hand would prevent the career of any baseball player out there, unless they were a pitcher. But being largely stationary on the mound (and in the AL not needing to bat) that is a non-issue for a pitcher. And even in the National League, pitchers who can actually bat and run the bases decently are rather rare.
 
You are such a bellend.

The Lefties claim and mouth froth Trump being a draft dodger. When I list others, they fall over themselves to stick up for Muhammad Ali, Einstein, Clinton Biden etc.. for dodging the draft.

It just clearly shows their Trump Derangement Syndrome and agenda.
Ali didn't dodge the draft. He went to prison for refusing to serve based upon his beliefs. I respect him, I don't respect draft dodgers or those who fled to Canada, or, in the case of Bill Clinton the UK to avoid service.
 
Ali didn't dodge the draft. He went to prison for refusing to serve based upon his beliefs. I respect him, I don't respect draft dodgers or those who fled to Canada, or, in the case of Bill Clinton the UK to avoid service.
See, stupids protecting draft dodgers. Will you stop acting stoopid and just get on with your life. Ali dodged the draft, so did Clinton, Biden, Einstein etc.. It doesn't pay your mortgage, so move on.
 
See, stupids protecting draft dodgers. Will you stop acting stoopid and just get on with your life. Ali dodged the draft, so did Clinton, Biden, Einstein etc.. It doesn't pay your mortgage, so move on.
Ali did not dodge the draft he refused and went to jail he served his time in jail rather than the army.
 
Ali did not dodge the draft he refused and went to jail he served his time in jail rather than the army.
Omg, retards everywhere.

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See, stupids protecting draft dodgers. Will you stop acting stoopid and just get on with your life. Ali dodged the draft, so did Clinton, Biden, Einstein etc.. It doesn't pay your mortgage, so move on.
Refusing to serve based upon religious beliefs and going to prison for them IS NOT DODGING THE DRAFT.
 
I'm posting this for any of our correspondents who may be too young to know what actually went on w/r/t the military draft during the 60's.

First, you need to picture Woodstock. You know, those hundreds of thousands of revelers, celebrating their music, their culture, MJ, sexual freedom, and all that. Now look closer at just the males. They were virtually all draft dodgers. Almost every single one. I personally didn't go to Woodstock because I was in the Army, stationed in RVN. (I have no regrets on that front).

Now picture the anti-war demonstrations of the same era. Those demonstrations included a few "John Kerry types" who had served for a few years, then decided to hitch their boat to the anti-war movement, mainly to access the drugs and ***** that was so abundant therein. But all the rest of them were draft dodgers - college students who were availing themselves of the "2S" deferment (you couldn't be drafted as long as you were a college student in good standing).

The fact is that just about everyone whose family was "middle class" was able to avoid of the Armed Forces one way or another, except for the occasional outlier who actually WANTED to serve, and those kids came mainly from the South. Some managed to get into the National Guard or Reserves where there was very little chance of being required to go to Vietnam. There was a period when even though you went to college, you were still subject to the draft when you graduated (before the Draft Lottery), and most of those young men figured out a way to go in as officers, thus minimizing the chances that they would ever be shot at.

Some of "us" wonder why, when so many Americans of the Boomer generation were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft, so few politicians seem to have served. And this is why: if their parents were reasonably well off, military service could be avoided one way or another - with a physical issue, joining a cushy reserve unit, or simply delaying draft eligibility until it was very unlikely that you would be drafted.

So now we come to Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump, who avoided the draft because of a physical defect. If he had not avoided the draft because of bone spurs, it would have been something else. People in his economic stratum DID NOT SERVE unless they chose to serve. If you want to think of him as a "draft dodger," go right ahead and do it, but remember that dodging the draft at that time was something that everyone at his economic level did. One of the reasons why so many working-class men resented the draft at the time was that there were so many deferments that anyone with means could simply avoid it, and that ain't fair. That is why when the subject comes up today, "we" all say something to the effect that if there is ever a draft again, there must be NO DEFERMENTS.

In a television interview yesterday, JDV was asked to justify their criticism of Governor Walz, given Donald Trump's record of avoiding the draft. What he came up with was that Trump never lied about his draft-related choices, and Walz has lied about several important particulars of his military service.

Vance could have said, "Essentially nobody in Trump's peer group served during Vietnam unless they wanted to. There was nothing shameful or exceptional about how Trump and his family dealt with it."

But one must assume that the audience is stupid and ill-informed, so you must speak in simple generalities.
Glass houses right ?

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I'm posting this for any of our correspondents who may be too young to know what actually went on w/r/t the military draft during the 60's.

First, you need to picture Woodstock. You know, those hundreds of thousands of revelers, celebrating their music, their culture, MJ, sexual freedom, and all that. Now look closer at just the males. They were virtually all draft dodgers. Almost every single one. I personally didn't go to Woodstock because I was in the Army, stationed in RVN. (I have no regrets on that front).

Now picture the anti-war demonstrations of the same era. Those demonstrations included a few "John Kerry types" who had served for a few years, then decided to hitch their boat to the anti-war movement, mainly to access the drugs and ***** that was so abundant therein. But all the rest of them were draft dodgers - college students who were availing themselves of the "2S" deferment (you couldn't be drafted as long as you were a college student in good standing).

The fact is that just about everyone whose family was "middle class" was able to avoid of the Armed Forces one way or another, except for the occasional outlier who actually WANTED to serve, and those kids came mainly from the South. Some managed to get into the National Guard or Reserves where there was very little chance of being required to go to Vietnam. There was a period when even though you went to college, you were still subject to the draft when you graduated (before the Draft Lottery), and most of those young men figured out a way to go in as officers, thus minimizing the chances that they would ever be shot at.

Some of "us" wonder why, when so many Americans of the Boomer generation were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft, so few politicians seem to have served. And this is why: if their parents were reasonably well off, military service could be avoided one way or another - with a physical issue, joining a cushy reserve unit, or simply delaying draft eligibility until it was very unlikely that you would be drafted.

So now we come to Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump, who avoided the draft because of a physical defect. If he had not avoided the draft because of bone spurs, it would have been something else. People in his economic stratum DID NOT SERVE unless they chose to serve. If you want to think of him as a "draft dodger," go right ahead and do it, but remember that dodging the draft at that time was something that everyone at his economic level did. One of the reasons why so many working-class men resented the draft at the time was that there were so many deferments that anyone with means could simply avoid it, and that ain't fair. That is why when the subject comes up today, "we" all say something to the effect that if there is ever a draft again, there must be NO DEFERMENTS.

In a television interview yesterday, JDV was asked to justify their criticism of Governor Walz, given Donald Trump's record of avoiding the draft. What he came up with was that Trump never lied about his draft-related choices, and Walz has lied about several important particulars of his military service.

Vance could have said, "Essentially nobody in Trump's peer group served during Vietnam unless they wanted to. There was nothing shameful or exceptional about how Trump and his family dealt with it."

But one must assume that the audience is stupid and ill-informed, so you must speak in simple generalities.
I'm posting this for any of our correspondents who may be too young to know what actually went on w/r/t the military draft during the 60's.

First, you need to picture Woodstock. You know, those hundreds of thousands of revelers, celebrating their music, their culture, MJ, sexual freedom, and all that. Now look closer at just the males. They were virtually all draft dodgers. Almost every single one. I personally didn't go to Woodstock because I was in the Army, stationed in RVN. (I have no regrets on that front).

Now picture the anti-war demonstrations of the same era. Those demonstrations included a few "John Kerry types" who had served for a few years, then decided to hitch their boat to the anti-war movement, mainly to access the drugs and ***** that was so abundant therein. But all the rest of them were draft dodgers - college students who were availing themselves of the "2S" deferment (you couldn't be drafted as long as you were a college student in good standing).

The fact is that just about everyone whose family was "middle class" was able to avoid of the Armed Forces one way or another, except for the occasional outlier who actually WANTED to serve, and those kids came mainly from the South. Some managed to get into the National Guard or Reserves where there was very little chance of being required to go to Vietnam. There was a period when even though you went to college, you were still subject to the draft when you graduated (before the Draft Lottery), and most of those young men figured out a way to go in as officers, thus minimizing the chances that they would ever be shot at.

Some of "us" wonder why, when so many Americans of the Boomer generation were drafted or enlisted to avoid the draft, so few politicians seem to have served. And this is why: if their parents were reasonably well off, military service could be avoided one way or another - with a physical issue, joining a cushy reserve unit, or simply delaying draft eligibility until it was very unlikely that you would be drafted.

So now we come to Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump, who avoided the draft because of a physical defect. If he had not avoided the draft because of bone spurs, it would have been something else. People in his economic stratum DID NOT SERVE unless they chose to serve. If you want to think of him as a "draft dodger," go right ahead and do it, but remember that dodging the draft at that time was something that everyone at his economic level did. One of the reasons why so many working-class men resented the draft at the time was that there were so many deferments that anyone with means could simply avoid it, and that ain't fair. That is why when the subject comes up today, "we" all say something to the effect that if there is ever a draft again, there must be NO DEFERMENTS.

In a television interview yesterday, JDV was asked to justify their criticism of Governor Walz, given Donald Trump's record of avoiding the draft. What he came up with was that Trump never lied about his draft-related choices, and Walz has lied about several important particulars of his military service.

Vance could have said, "Essentially nobody in Trump's peer group served during Vietnam unless they wanted to. There was nothing shameful or exceptional about how Trump and his family dealt with it."

But one must assume that the audience is stupid and ill-informed, so you must speak in simple generalities.
 

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You are such a bellend.

The Lefties claim and mouth froth Trump being a draft dodger. When I list others, they fall over themselves to stick up for Muhammad Ali, Einstein, Clinton Biden etc.. for dodging the draft.

It just clearly shows their Trump Derangement Syndrome and agenda.
 
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WTF makes you think he would be in country?

He could have been stationed in Germany, England, Japan, any place we had a base.

by volunteering, he could have assured he was nowhere near the action.

still not thinking outside your narrative.
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They literally can't think outside their narrative. They've de-evolved intellectually.


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