Preparing for the Possibility of a Draft Without Panic

[Doc7505]

Canada will welcome our draft dodgers as they did before. I remember when Jimmy Carter invited the draft dodgers to come back to the U.S. and they wouldn`t face charges and they said "no thanks". Good call.

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Indeed, those traitors should never be allowed to return, unlike Carter's doing... Especially cleaning of John F Kerry's dishonorable Discharge.

 

[Doc7505]

Yeah, reinstate the serfdom to fight a war near China and with China. What can go wrong? Vietnam worked out so great.

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Indeed, we must thank Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson for that fiasco... Lest we forget...

 

[fncceo]

Conscription — a practice most Americans believe should be relegated to the dustbin of history — has returned as an uncomfortable topic of conversation among U.S. allies

With whom are we going to war?

 

[SweetSue92]

Today's youth are too hip to the game. They know most of our nations adventurrism simply enriches the already wealthy. Few but the most desperate are willing to put their life on the line for a nation that offers them the least in living memory. Short of foreign troops landing on the beaches of Myhometown, USA most couldn't give a shit. And who can blame them really?

I never thought I'd get here, but I'm here.

No American youth should join the military for THIS nation, especially if Harris wins.

Why?

So they can fight the endless military-industrial complex fake wars that fill their pockets?

Just say no

 

[Mushroom]

Preparing for the Possibility of a Draft Without Panic

We do not need a draft, there is no need for a draft.

We have a rather small military when compared to our GDP and population, and that number is kept low by primarily budget and allowed troop numbers. We went through a huge RIF back in 2009-2012, and are still sitting at First Obama Administration figures. Until the White House, Congress and DoD authorize an increase in manpower levels, it will remain low.

If we need numbers, we can build up numbers fairly quickly. However, the politicians in charge have to decide to allow that to happen.

 

[Obiwan]

Another possibility would be recalling retired personnel for active duty.

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[Rigby5]

The fact is, if the U.S. hopes to deter or defeat a Chinese attack on Taiwan, an Iranian attack on Israel, or Russia expands it's war on Ukriane into Europe, it should be prepared to effectively implement a draft.

The facts are that Taiwan actually had a Japanese population until it was invaded in 1952 by the retreating fake Chinese government of Chang Kai Shek we created. And it is about the most fake country in the world.
Israel is second in being a fake country, since its inhabitants are not even local, but illegal immigrants from Europe.
And the US bears some guilt for the Ukraine being illegally taken from Russia in 1920 by the Treaty of Versailles that we were party to.

 

[Doc7505]

Canada will welcome our draft dodgers as they did before. I remember when Jimmy Carter invited the draft dodgers to come back to the U.S. and they wouldn`t face charges and they said "no thanks". Good call.

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Just think of all those DEI transgender officers leading our troops and making command decisions in the middle of battle. War fighters NOT!
Good example is the latest DEI command of an Australia ship hitting a reef, burning and sinking. All because she left the ship on auto pilot.

 

[Mushroom]

Another possibility would be recalling retired personnel for active duty.

Not really, as by definition they would all be individuals in their 40s or older.

I mean, technically I can be recalled to active service. And I do have a decade of experience in the infantry, as well as air defense, communications, security, maintenance management, and more. But I'm also 60 years old. And for most of us, there is simply not a lot that they can do with us. In WWII, most of those like that who were recalled were senior officers who could command stateside administrative units as the more fit officers could then serve overseas, or ones with specialty experience like medical or foreign languages.

I'm sure that the Army or Marines could recall me, but why?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Very small chance of a draft.

 

[SmokeALib]

Preparing for the Possibility of a Draft Without Panic​

Preparing for the Possibility of a Draft Without Panic - War on the Rocks

Conscription — a practice most Americans believe should be relegated to the dustbin of history — has returned as an uncomfortable topic of conversation

warontherocks.com

8 Aug 2024 ~~ By Taren Sylvester & Catherine Kuzminski

Conscription — a practice most Americans believe should be relegated to the dustbin of history — has returned as an uncomfortable topic of conversation among U.S. allies and adversaries alike. This has generated concern and even conspiracy theories among American voters. But a candid discussion would be healthier. The fact is, if the United States hopes to deter or defeat a Chinese attack on Taiwan, it should be prepared to effectively implement a draft. To be clear, this is a solution of last resort, but one that may be necessary.
Right now, U.S. mobilization has not been tested in decades. As a result, current ideas about how it would function are woefully out of date. Being prepared to execute a draft requires buy-in from across all branches of government — and society writ large.
At a minimum, the executive branch and Congress should actively pursue a more proactive approach. The National Security Council should take the lead on mobilization exercises. Congress should also get out ahead on expanding Selective Service System registration to all Americans between the ages of 18–25, thereby preventing future legal challenges to the current all-male registration system when time may be of the essence. Policymakers should also consider the skills that would be required in a future conflict and how the nation would sustain its economy while maintaining the human capital required in large-scale combat operations. Finally, the professional all-volunteer force should consider and train for a possibility in which they would have to absorb conscript forces into their ranks.
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A recent proposal to automate Selective Service System registration for men on their 18th birthdays coupled with debate that the current all-male registration should be expanded to include all Americans has generated public rumors that the nation is on a wartime footing. These concerns are unfounded, but Americans’ confusion and anxiety over the use of the draft is understandable.
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However, the burden of service was no longer shared by all American men, as many in the upper and middle classes could avoid it with relative ease. When the demand for and deployment of conscripts increased as the United States entrenched itself in Vietnam, resistance to the draft grew rapidly.
In the years since the transition to the all-volunteer force, any discussion of reintroducing conscription has generated fear of returning to the Vietnam-era draft. However, current circumstances more closely mirror the political state of the nation in the mid-1910s than the 1960s. Today, the United States is as far from the last use of conscription during the Vietnam War as the drafters of the 1917 Selective Service Act were from the Civil War.
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Conclusion
The all-volunteer force was always intended to be supported by a stand-by draft. That being said, it should be understood — by political leaders, military leaders, and, perhaps more importantly, by the American public — that conscription is and must necessarily be the option of last resort. The political will that would be necessary to move the needle on any issue involving conscription is nearly insurmountable. As such, it is likely that the only circumstance where the reintroduction of conscription would be even plausible is a crisis of the highest order — the very same motivation that is spurring Ukraine, Taiwan, and many others to reexamine their conscription systems.


Commentary:
"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." ~~ Donald Rumsfeld
With the advances in technology the reality of war brcomes more and more a possibilty.
Along the the advances comes the devatation and speed of attack.
Study history: They tend to reserve the word ‘war’ more for aggression between nation states, but if you include territorial warlords all the way down to village tribalism in that category, the times of greatest peace are experience by those who are strongest and all their neighbors know it, and is an exception, not a rule.
War is an unavoidable feature of humanity
In the end it comes down to boots on the ground.
The fact is, if the U.S. hopes to deter or defeat a Chinese attack on Taiwan, an Iranian attack on Israel, or Russia expands it's war on Ukriane into Europe, it should be prepared to effectively implement a draft. To be clear, this is a solution of last resort, but one that may be necessary.
The other scenario one must look at is, if we are “attacked” by China or Russia it would escalate faster than a fat ass Command Sergeant Major from Minnesota could roll himself over to the cabinet to pull out the plan.
Our military might recall people from the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), but they have no need for Gen Z malcontents.
If that happens, the war is already over.

It's hard to imagine a draft today. Too many pansy-ass parents raising too many pansy-ass kids. Not to mention our pansy-ass public schools teaching these pansy-ass kids that they are all winners. Then putting these pansy-asses on Ritalin because they are "disruptive ".
The first time a drill sgt gets into one of these pansy-asses faces, they'd start crying.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

My brother laughed at a drill when he got in his face, and the drill with buddies beat him up. He never laughed in their faces again.

There was this big, black kid named Johnson in our BCT who got dragged by a couple of drills out behind the latrines one night for a 'discipline', and the kid beat the hell of them. Four of us had to drag him off of them.

He was out of the compound by dawn and discharged the following day.

 

[E. Pluribus]

There should be a program where everyone goes into some basic military training, something like an abbreviated program like the reserves have. It would instill patriotism and give everyone a chance to mingle with other Americans across the country which may reduce some of the division in our country.

 

[Zavulon]

There should be a program where everyone goes into some basic military training, something like an abbreviated program like the reserves have. It would instill patriotism and give everyone a chance to mingle with other Americans across the country which may reduce some of the division in our country.

Yes. The Russians call it "initial military training"


And if you don't have that basic military training in schools (and the most of American schools don't have it) it will take a year or two just to study what is the modern warfare.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes. The Russians call it "initial military training"


And if you don't have that basic military training in schools (and the most of American schools don't have it) it will take a year or two just to study what is the modern warfare.

Holy cow, is the Russian military really training children? Have they gotten that desperate?

 

[Mr Natural]

Very small chance of a draft.

Slavery was ended back im the 1860s.

 

[Zavulon]

Holy cow, is the Russian military really training children? Have they gotten that desperate?

It's not "military", it's school "education". And it is not "desperation", it is "preparation". If you need well prepared reserves for draft and possible mobilisation - you need to start from school or even pre-school age.
If you want peace - prepare for the war.

Just got the new schoolbook of initial military training. A lot of the new (comparing with old schoolbooks) information about modern warfare.

 

[Zavulon]

 

[Zavulon]

Slavery was ended back im the 1860s.

It is not slavery. Its quite opposite. If you give weapons (not only firearms, but heavy equipment, too) to ordinary people - you give them possibilities to overthrone your government.

 

[Mushroom]

If you need well prepared reserves for draft and possible mobilisation - you need to start from school or even pre-school age.

Are you even aware of how completely mental that comes across?