Likkmee
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The Cathlick church always watches you backside
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.I met someone last night.
It was our first date, but something clicked between us and I think she may be the person I spend the rest of my life with.
But, even if it doesn't end up being her, someone will come along eventually because I'm on three dating services and I'm searching very diligently because I hate being alone.
So, it's time to put the Catholic Church in my rear view window.
Now you can say, get an annulment. The Catholic Church offers that.
But I think it's total bullshit to ask the Catholic Church to say I wasn't really married to a woman I spent thirty years with and is the mother of my three children.
I looked into the Episcopalians.
Being an Episcopalian would be like going to a church that looks Catholic in every way, except the priests don't really care if you even believe in God so long as you put money in the basket.
Or I could just not go to any church on Sunday and work things out just between me and God.
Please don't come on this thread and tell me this isn't really a problem.
It's a problem for me.
I've been Catholic all my life and giving up Catholicism would be worse than giving up my right arm.
It was our first date, but something clicked between us and I think she may be the person I spend the rest of my life with.
But I think it's total bullshit to ask the Catholic Church to say I wasn't really married to a woman I spent thirty years with and is the mother of my three children.
Please don't come on this thread and tell me this isn't really a problem.
.I've been Catholic all my life and giving up Catholicism would be worse than giving up my right arm.
I believe GOD is dealing with Y-O-U and Y-O-U-R relationship with GOD through Christ Jesus. It isn't about being perfect. If we were perfect we would NOT need the SAVIOR! It isn't about attending the "correct" church. Because EVERY church has its own issues. It IS entirely about having a personal relationship with GOD through JESUS the Messiah.I met someone last night.
It was our first date, but something clicked between us and I think she may be the person I spend the rest of my life with.
But, even if it doesn't end up being her, someone will come along eventually because I'm on three dating services and I'm searching very diligently because I hate being alone.
So, it's time to put the Catholic Church in my rear view window.
Now you can say, get an annulment. The Catholic Church offers that.
But I think it's total bullshit to ask the Catholic Church to say I wasn't really married to a woman I spent thirty years with and is the mother of my three children.
I looked into the Episcopalians.
Being an Episcopalian would be like going to a church that looks Catholic in every way, except the priests don't really care if you even believe in God so long as you put money in the basket.
Or I could just not go to any church on Sunday and work things out just between me and God.
Please don't come on this thread and tell me this isn't really a problem.
It's a problem for me.
I've been Catholic all my life and giving up Catholicism would be worse than giving up my right arm.
That option is unavailable to me.Find a church that teaches the Bible, not religion. If they act like Jesus freaks, it's a good thing usually. If they bring out the snakes after the first worship song, you're in the wrong church.
As one Catholic to another:The problem with taking this issue to the forum is that only a person who takes Catholicism seriously would understand the choices I'm faced with.
If you boil it down to terms that a priest would be too scared to tell you, the Catholic answer is that if a Catholic leaves the Church, with full knowledge that the Catholic Church is the true Church, there is no hope that person will go to heaven.
My two choices then are this:
A lifetime of happiness with a woman I love -- then an eternity in hell; or
A lifetime of misery for the next thirty years or so -- then an eternity in heaven.
Make the woman your wife.having sex with a woman who is not my wife
If it is a personal issue why bring it to the forum. What is your motive?
is changing churches a moral issue? is changing ones beliefs a moral issue? is changing religions a moral issue? The issue may be over analyzing the situation. When given two choices, then only one can be chosen and the person has to live with it or let it destroy that person. Got to love choice.
I think he is asking for other people who have been in his position. You have to feel right in yourself.
Works do not save. Faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ does. The fact that you seem to believe that you must also do this and that, only demonstrates that you may not know what GOD's GIFT of salvation is. Once a person becomes "born-again" of course GOD begins a work in and through that individual. However, anyone who believes that to be saved one must/needs to go here and there, do this and that and be essentially a "good" person, is missing what GOD did for us and focusing on what we "must" do for HIM. The Catholic church whatever it's form bases it's belief structure around the assumption that one needs to eat the body of CHRIST and drink HIS at every mass. THAT IS WORK! CHRIST died once and for always for ALL sin. We simply need to repentfully accept what GOD has already accomplished and in remembrance participate in the Lord's Supper. The Catholic faith believes that the church authorities need to tell the parishioners what to do and how to believe. They hold that this can be traced all the way back to Peter. Sorry, I don't believe this. The Apostles helped to establish CHRIST's CHURCH and then it was the HOLY SPIRIT that continues this work through GOD's elect (body of believer) to this day. The minister/preacher/bishop is not the head but a shepherd/servant that CHRIST allows to minister to HIS sheep. YOU must see this or you will continue to see the CHURCH as merely popes and stained glass windowed facades.That option is unavailable to me.Find a church that teaches the Bible, not religion. If they act like Jesus freaks, it's a good thing usually. If they bring out the snakes after the first worship song, you're in the wrong church.
My dislike for the evangelical churches is intense, probably because of the thoughtless way they tell a Catholic like me that I'm an idolater who is going to hell.
Also, the concept that faith alone saves is a dangerous error because it discourages such notions as obeying the commandments and giving money to charity, and the concept that one is saved by one altar call is dangerous because it denies the truth that one's spiritual development is a struggle that ends only at the moment of death.
The Episcopalians are the outer limit of how far I'm willing to plunge into the Protestant world.
Their priests dress like Catholic priests, their Masses our similar to our Masses, and their Eucharist is the same as ours -- though illegitimate according to the Catholic Church.
The Episcopalians are, however, moral relativists who will openly admit they're not really sure if Christianity is true. For me, the idea of showing up to Mass every Sunday for a religion you're not sure of doesn't make any sense at all. Why not sleep in?
It seems that the purpose of Episcopalianism is to give fallen away Catholics a soft landing for awhile before arriving at the ultimate end of complete lack of belief. And then, after you do reach this state of non-belief, you are still welcome to attend Mass on Sunday and go on behaving as if you believe, with everyone knowing and accepting that you really don't.
And while it might be a comfort to many to attend familiar rituals in familiar surroundings, I am a person who must actually believe in what I'm doing and could never believe in the watered-down Catholicism of the Episcopalian Church.
Coming together and sharing a meal is not work. It is celebration. Celebration of our redemption and salvation.The Catholic church whatever it's form bases it's belief structure around the assumption that one needs to eat the body of CHRIST and drink HIS at every mass. THAT IS WORK!
It seems he believes there is an ideal way of doing something (following the will of God) and a less ideal way of doing something (not being in alignment of God's will for us).The fact that you seem to believe that you must also do this and that
Read the Gospels. Christ died because of his insistence that it is Repentance for the Forgiveness of Sins. Sins, he said, ARE forgiven, not that they will be forgiven once he is crucified.CHRIST died once and for always for ALL sin
And how did you reach this conclusion? I've been a life-long Catholic, and know first hand that the Church is fond of pointing out the number of ways all down through the ages Catholics have disagreed on certain points, yet remain solidly together. On the other hand, if by "What to do" you mean the Church teaches "Discern the will of God and follow it" then my apologies as we are taught to do that. The Church indeed does teach that. The church does not give instructions on "How to Believe", simply to have faith and believe.The Catholic faith believes that the church authorities need to tell the parishioners what to do and how to believe.
Do you know the first title of the Pope? "The Servant of the Servants of God."The minister/preacher/bishop is not the head but a shepherd/servant that CHRIST allows to minister to HIS sheep.
Christ died because he was ratted out. Now you know.Read the Gospels. Christ died because of his insistence that it is Repentance for the Forgiveness of Sins. Sins, he said, ARE forgiven, not that they will be forgiven once he is crucified.CHRIST died once and for always for ALL sin
You'd annul your marriage making your 3 kids bastards? They will hate you forever.I met someone last night.
It was our first date, but something clicked between us and I think she may be the person I spend the rest of my life with.
But, even if it doesn't end up being her, someone will come along eventually because I'm on three dating services and I'm searching very diligently because I hate being alone.
So, it's time to put the Catholic Church in my rear view window.
Now you can say, get an annulment. The Catholic Church offers that.
But I think it's total bullshit to ask the Catholic Church to say I wasn't really married to a woman I spent thirty years with and is the mother of my three children.
I looked into the Episcopalians.
Being an Episcopalian would be like going to a church that looks Catholic in every way, except the priests don't really care if you even believe in God so long as you put money in the basket.
Or I could just not go to any church on Sunday and work things out just between me and God.
Please don't come on this thread and tell me this isn't really a problem.
It's a problem for me.
I've been Catholic all my life and giving up Catholicism would be worse than giving up my right arm.