POLL: Let's try a COVID compromise, shall we?

[zaangalewa]

Bob Blaylock

Not to read and not to try to understand anything but to judge everyone - that's what you are doing here and I fear this is exactly also the reason why the USA wasted billions for weapons for the Taliban. Question: Are the NRA and your weapon traders the worst 'self-fulfilling' terror organisation of the world? See also the situation in Mexico which is so extremely dramatic because of your weapon trades for organized drug dealers. Don't forget to press the "I disagree" button.

 

[zaangalewa]

@everyone

Vaccinations are a sword against virusses which becomes more blunt the more virusses exist. So use it as long as it is sharp enough. It's not easy to sharpen a sword during a battle - and if someone got an infection then it's anyway too late to use it. A discussion about individualism (="I") vs collectivism (="we") has nothing to do with the fights against a worldwide existing dangerous virus, which has to be eliminated. This damned virus has no brain, has no arms, has no legs. We are the brain, the arms and the legs. So don't think for the best of this virus, don't fight for this beasty virus and don't carry it to your sisters and brothers. Damn! Is this really so damn difficult?

 

[Snouter]

Pro-vax folks worry free folks' immune systems are Fauci Flu labs that enhance the Fauci Flu to overcome the vax they received. Rest assureed the Chinese lab Fauci financed enhances the Fauci Flu, not free folks. It is interesting though, the vax you pro-vax tards received is clearly causes the Fauci Flu.

 

[zaangalewa]

Pro-vax folks worry free folks' immune systems are Fauci Flu labs that enhance the Fauci Flu to overcome the vax they received. Rest assureed the Chinese lab Fauci financed enhances the Fauci Flu, not free folks. It is interesting though, the vax you pro-vax tards received is clearly causes the Fauci Flu.

Between the honorful expert Dr. Fauci and the loser in the elections Donald Trump exist some big character deficits. The greatest: Dr. Fauci has nothing to do with the exteme dangerous narcissism of Donald Trump and the political layman Donald Trump seems to hate everyone - including complete democratic nations and allies of the USA like Germany - who not support his "professional" narcissism (= all and every stupid idea which he had and has). If you don't know how extremely dangerous narcissism is able to be, then study what Anders Behring Breivick had done, who suffered an narcissistic personality disorder - what let him made a "beautiful" (=impressive) terror attack. Or study the extended suicide Hitler and some members of his gang had done. You find it under "World War 2". And what went wrong in Afghanistan and what has effects now in our days is hopefully able to clear your thoughts - so you are able to start to stop this extremistic nonsense propaganda, which you are doing. What you need first of all now is a sane USA standing to and on the fundamental values of the western world.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Hey, Mac: Do you know what is in the vax? Do you know where I can get a list of ingredients?

No?

Get me the list, then I will consider the vax.

 

[j-mac]

So now heathcare is a right? You guys seem to have done a 180 on the topic. Can I quote you on this when the topic of the uninsured inevitably comes up?

Doctors make triage decisions all time. With limited resources in emergency situations, why should someone who refused to take responsibility for themselves be put ahead of someone who did?

And COVID doesn't care about your views. WHY you refused to vaccinate is irrelevant to COVID. Its an overwhelmingly preventable disease. Your 'belief' doesn't make you immune to the consequences of being unvaccinated.

And you should take responsibility for the consequences of your own choices. Not someone else.

Lol, I’m vaxxed dumbass, I’ve said so in numerous threads including this one. You should read for comprehension before you dribble your lips.

Ive also said before that BOTH parties were headed toward single payer, and Trump should have co opted that and made it his and got er done already.

The problem with your debate style is that you run on emotion and what outlets like CNN, or MSNBC tell you, and emotion…That is always a losing proposition….

 

[j-mac]

I've never said a thing about killing someone because of who they supported.. We weren't the ones walking the halls of Congress chanting 'Kill Mike Pence'. We weren't the one's threatening to bomb Washington unless democrats resigned en masse. That would be your ilk.

We're arguing that the unvaccinated who get COVID should go to the back of the line for medical care behind those who have ordinary medical emergencies.

Whatever happened to 'personal responsibility'? Why should other people give up their hospital bed to you when you refused to vaccinate and caught COVID?

You think it is only Trump supporters who aren’t vaxxed, so my point stands.

 

[Erinwltr]

I've changed my opinion over the last week on vaccinations. There are clearly a lot of people who, for their own reasons, are going to refuse to get vaccinated. There's not a damn thing I can do about that, so I'm just trying to deal with reality here. So to make this as clear as I can:

1. I support your right to not get vaccinated.
2. I am against forcing you to get vaccinated.

There. Nice and clear. I figure the only way to get past this mess is to either get vaccinated or get sick and develop an immunity that way, if you don't die. I'll look at it like a controlled burn, where you just get rid of the wasted underbrush. Fine. We can all move on now. And, I won't even ask you to not spread this virus, especially to kids, since we're now seeing an increase in hospitalizations there. I know that asking you to at least be careful for them is an "attack" on your "freedom" and "liberty", and we all know how you feel about THAT.

There. You are free to exercise your freedom and your liberty, and the rest of us will get off your backs. In exchange, I will propose this fully free market compromise:

1. Any business is free to install and enforce mask mandates to protect their employees and patrons. If you don't like that, you are free to exercise your free market rights and shop at their competition.
2. Any hospital is free to (a) put voluntarily non-vaccinated COVID patients on a lower priority for both ICUs and private rooms so that regular patients with other problems can be served as they should be, and (b) charge whatever extra COVID fees they feel are appropriate, whether it is upon admission, on a daily basis, or both. In cash. Up front. A fully free market solution.

Can we agree? Vaxxers? Anti-Vaxxers?

Unvaccinated Couple Desperate for Kids To Get Shots After Ending Up in ICU

Lydia Rodriguez and her husband are on ventilators in a Texas hospital after contracting coronavirus in July.

www.newsweek.com

No we can not agree. Mandate vacinations.

 

[j-mac]

Or....we recognize the actual harm of your poor decision making. You having a 'belief' doesn't make you immune to the consequences of being unvaccinated. Nor should someone who made responsible choices and got the vaccine, or anyone who is suffering ordinary medical emergencies give up their hospital bed to pay for your poor judgement.

And its not my imagination that COVID is ravaging the unvaccinated.

Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.​

Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services.

www.texastribune.org

That's 99.5% of the COVID dead being unvaccinated in Texas. And you ignore this entirely......replacing it with your imagination and beliefs.

You should take responsibility for that.

Why should anyone other than the individual take responsibility for anything another does or doesn’t do?

 

[badbob85037]

I've changed my opinion over the last week on vaccinations. There are clearly a lot of people who, for their own reasons, are going to refuse to get vaccinated. There's not a damn thing I can do about that, so I'm just trying to deal with reality here. So to make this as clear as I can:

1. I support your right to not get vaccinated.
2. I am against forcing you to get vaccinated.

There. Nice and clear. I figure the only way to get past this mess is to either get vaccinated or get sick and develop an immunity that way, if you don't die. I'll look at it like a controlled burn, where you just get rid of the wasted underbrush. Fine. We can all move on now. And, I won't even ask you to not spread this virus, especially to kids, since we're now seeing an increase in hospitalizations there. I know that asking you to at least be careful for them is an "attack" on your "freedom" and "liberty", and we all know how you feel about THAT.

There. You are free to exercise your freedom and your liberty, and the rest of us will get off your backs. In exchange, I will propose this fully free market compromise:

1. Any business is free to install and enforce mask mandates to protect their employees and patrons. If you don't like that, you are free to exercise your free market rights and shop at their competition.
2. Any hospital is free to (a) put voluntarily non-vaccinated COVID patients on a lower priority for both ICUs and private rooms so that regular patients with other problems can be served as they should be, and (b) charge whatever extra COVID fees they feel are appropriate, whether it is upon admission, on a daily basis, or both. In cash. Up front. A fully free market solution.

Can we agree? Vaxxers? Anti-Vaxxers?

Unvaccinated Couple Desperate for Kids To Get Shots After Ending Up in ICU

Lydia Rodriguez and her husband are on ventilators in a Texas hospital after contracting coronavirus in July.

www.newsweek.com

On the night of a blue moon all the Vaxx will turn starting the zombie apocalypse and we will have to start shooting them in the head. Once they start mutating who knows how far it will go

 

[HappyJoy]

On the night of a blue moon all the Vaxx will turn starting the zombie apocalypse and we will have to start shooting them in the head. Once they start mutating who knows how far it will go

Stick to video games, kid.

 

[Rigby5]

No we can not agree. Mandate vacinations.

There is no covid vaccine available in the US.
There are only mRNA injections that temporarily increase your antibodies, but do nothing for long term immune system memory.
Anyone trying to mandate these dangerous fakes is a criminal.
Since they are so much smaller than a real virus, they easily migrate.
If they get to the heart or brain before the immune system attacks them, you can die.
If they get to the hands of feet, you can require amputations.

 

[Rigby5]

What is the most stupid is that if someone has not caught covid in 2 years, they are not likely to catch is now that over half the population has immunity.

 

[HappyJoy]

There is no covid vaccine available in the US.
There are only mRNA injections that temporarily increase your antibodies, but do nothing for long term immune system memory.
Anyone trying to mandate these dangerous fakes is a criminal.
Since they are so much smaller than a real virus, they easily migrate.
If they get to the heart or brain before the immune system attacks them, you can die.
If they get to the hands of feet, you can require amputations.

Many vaccines do not give you lifetime immunity. That's just you creating new definitions to support a losing argument.

The rest of your post is just wingnut fear porn.

 

[HappyJoy]

What is the most stupid is that if someone has not caught covid in 2 years, they are not likely to catch is now that over half the population has immunity.

What's stupider is this comment in 6 months time after thousands more will have died.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

There is no compromise.

Worry about yourself, and leave people alone

 

[Rigby5]

@everyone

Vaccinations are a sword against virusses which becomes more blunt the more virusses exist. So use it as long as it is sharp enough. It's not easy to sharpen a sword during a battle - and if someone got an infection then it's anyway too late to use it. A discussion about individualism (="I") vs collectivism (="we") has nothing to do with the fights against a worldwide existing dangerous virus, which has to be eliminated. This damned virus has no brain, has no arms, has no legs. We are the brain, the arms and the legs. So don't think for the best of this virus, don't fight for this beasty virus and don't carry it to your sisters and brothers. Damn! Is this really so damn difficult?

A sword has a handle and you aim and control it.
There mRNA injections are autonomous, totally out of control, are at least 10 times more dangerous than traditional vaccines, and likely do not create any permanent T-cell memory at all.

Since these mRNA injections do not contain a virus, then what is the immune system supposed to be trained to trigger on?
It can't be spike proteins because our own exosomes use the same spike proteins in order to access ACE2 receptor sites on our cells.

 

[j-mac]

What's stupider is this comment in 6 months time after thousands more will have died.

Serious question here, why are studies of natural immunity not being considered?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Serious question here, why are studies of natural immunity not being considered?

How many have gotten covid, recovered and SHOULD be listed among those with immunity

 

[HappyJoy]

Serious question here, why are studies of natural immunity not being considered?

What do you consider natural immunity?

Does this count?

Vaccine offers more protection against COVID-19 than natural immunity, CDC study finds

Scientists analyzed data from patients hospitalized with COVID-19 symptoms through the Delta variant's surge.

www.cbsnews.com

Or this?

COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?

If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

www.nebraskamed.com

This is an interesting find.

• More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies