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One last thing. Some of the most beautiful and astounding places of "worship" were built for and by pagans who had little if any understanding of a LOVING FATHER GOD. Their motives were mostly egotistical.
 

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Been there done that. Made me believe in his calling as a Prophet of God even more.
 

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Who died and made the North American Mission Board God's authority on earth.
You may with to apply your consternation a little closer to home. And consider Mr. Smith's own historic reputation.
Why would they have to?
You still have no evidence that humans were angels.
Angels are not a different species than humans. Humans don't change into a different species. Angels are a little higher in their station in heaven than men on the earth. This does not mean they are a different species. An angel is one who ministers unto men on the earth and delivers a message from God.

Mark 12:25
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
So there is no marriage in heaven.
Nope. All marriages are perform here on earth either while alive or by proxy in our temples. No marriage is performed in heaven.
Now you're contradicting Scripture. No one is married in Heaven.
I believe what you are inferring is that marriage is never part of God's will in heaven or that it never will exist in heaven. For some I believe that to be true. But not for all.

John 12:36
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

In this verse Jesus expresses his desire that we should become the children of light. We should seek after the light of the gospel and submit unto the will of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:1-8
1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
5 So he called every one of his lord’s debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

In the above verses, we see that an unfaithful steward perceiving to lose his stewardship with his lord, settled with the debtors of the lord for less than what they actually owed. Even though the unjust steward was cheating his lord, he was making good friends with those outside in hopes that when he lost his stewardship that they might receive him into their houses. The lord commended the unjust steward for his wisdom. What I wish to bring to your attention is verse 8. In that verse, Jesus contrasts the children of this world with the children of light. So the children of this world are not those who have been seeking the light of the gospel. But they do prepare better for failure than the children of light in this parable.

Now going back to whom Jesus was referring to when he was asked by the Sadducees (who did not believe the gospel of Christ and insisted that there was no resurrection). Jesus states:

Luke 20:34
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

So Jesus is talking about those who marry and are given in marriage who are among "the children of this world". Some of "the children of this world" may live very righteous lives and be worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. However, if they remain "the children of this world" up until their resurrection, they will not inherit the highest degree in the kingdom of heaven. So when they get to the lower degrees of the kingdom of heaven, they will never have accepted the priesthood and sealing power thereof which includes the sealings of celestial marriage. Because of this, they will not advance any further than the angels who are in heaven.

Jesus in his answer to the Sadducees is directing his answer to them specifically. He is telling them, yes there is a resurrection of the dead and that he is not the God of the dead but the God of the living. He is also telling them that the family relationships they have in this world will not continue for them if they don't receive the light of the gospel and become children of light, that after they resurrect, they will not receive the sealing power of the gospel but if they are righteous enough to make it to the kingdom of heaven, they progress no further than becoming only as the angels in heaven for the rest of eternity instead being sealed to their family for eternity.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:1-4
1 In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.

The kingdom of heaven is also known as the celestial kingdom. The above verses tell us that mankind must receive the new and everlasting covenant of marriage or they cannot reach the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.

God's Plan for Families
This is nothing but gobbledygook and twisting Scripture. You're not dividing the Word of God. You're twisting Scripture to fit Mormonism. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes on judgment day.
Your condemnation doesn't count on the day of judgement. Only our beloved Lord Jesus' righteous judgement will count.
 
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So....if you are a Mormon, can you explain the concept of what it is and why you chose that path? Did you do it on your own, or were you born into it due to family? What do you like/dislike about it?
Do you realize what you have just done?
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No. What have I did? Make people rethink or explore other faiths?
 

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I believe what you are inferring is that marriage is never part of God's will in heaven or that it never will exist in heaven. For some I believe that to be true. But not for all.

John 12:36
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

In this verse Jesus expresses his desire that we should become the children of light. We should seek after the light of the gospel and submit unto the will of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:1-8
1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
5 So he called every one of his lord’s debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

In the above verses, we see that an unfaithful steward perceiving to lose his stewardship with his lord, settled with the debtors of the lord for less than what they actually owed. Even though the unjust steward was cheating his lord, he was making good friends with those outside in hopes that when he lost his stewardship that they might receive him into their houses. The lord commended the unjust steward for his wisdom. What I wish to bring to your attention is verse 8. In that verse, Jesus contrasts the children of this world with the children of light. So the children of this world are not those who have been seeking the light of the gospel. But they do prepare better for failure than the children of light in this parable.

Now going back to whom Jesus was referring to when he was asked by the Sadducees (who did not believe the gospel of Christ and insisted that there was no resurrection). Jesus states:

Luke 20:34
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

So Jesus is talking about those who marry and are given in marriage who are among "the children of this world". Some of "the children of this world" may live very righteous lives and be worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. However, if they remain "the children of this world" up until their resurrection, they will not inherit the highest degree in the kingdom of heaven. So when they get to the lower degrees of the kingdom of heaven, they will never have accepted the priesthood and sealing power thereof which includes the sealings of celestial marriage. Because of this, they will not advance any further than the angels who are in heaven.

Jesus in his answer to the Sadducees is directing his answer to them specifically. He is telling them, yes there is a resurrection of the dead and that he is not the God of the dead but the God of the living. He is also telling them that the family relationships they have in this world will not continue for them if they don't receive the light of the gospel and become children of light, that after they resurrect, they will not receive the sealing power of the gospel but if they are righteous enough to make it to the kingdom of heaven, they progress no further than becoming only as the angels in heaven for the rest of eternity instead being sealed to their family for eternity.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:1-4
1 In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.

The kingdom of heaven is also known as the celestial kingdom. The above verses tell us that mankind must receive the new and everlasting covenant of marriage or they cannot reach the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.

God's Plan for Families
Here is what I think of Mormonism (not directed at Mormons personally but THEIR RELIGION). Mormonism was founded by ONE man claiming to have had a liaison with GOD and an American angel who was once a man. In this journey of his, Mr. Smith found plates, translated the said plates (using a hat), gave the plates back thereby eliminating the evidence, found a book of Abraham written in Egyptian, and translated this Egyptian (which we now know to be without a doubt the book of Egyptian funeral rights and totally contrary to the "fact" Mr. Smith alleged). To top it all off, Mr. Smith set up Marriage to more than one wife as a key element for becoming a prophet, established his church of Latter Day Saints, wrote the Doctrines and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.

Additionally, Mr. Smith cast doubt on the inerrancy of The Bible when compared to the Book of Mormon, claiming superiority of the translation of the book of Mormon over the Bible. The RELIGION established under MORMONISM is primarily focused on the Mormon family unit and the belief that we are all spirit children of GOD the Father and some mother goddess (including the MESSIAH and LUCIFER), and that our role is to come down to planet earth to prove our loyalty to GOD and thereby become full fledged gods ourselves. The entire simple plan of SALVATION seemingly plays second fiddle to Mormon Family Values, even to the point of trying to provide Jesus a wife. Unashamedly The GOD of MORMONISM cannot even create without pre-existing elements that apparently always existed without GOD.

And so MORMONISM either knowingly or unknowingly, disparages the Bible as being questionable and missing what Mormons deem important extraneous data. Disparages GOD --- calling into question HIS creative abilities and a HIS need for other deities and linking HIM as related generically to imperfect beings capable of SIN. Disparages the Messiah by linking HIM to Lucifer as both related and a "created/birthed" spirit --- capable of being SINFUL. Disparages all Christian churches because they do not regard the book of Mormon nor Mr. Joseph Smith as GOD's prophet. AND disparages the free gift of salvation through Christ by setting up doctrines and covenants of expectations which one must follow in order to enter heaven and not be relegated to some low level eternal existence in the next life.

ALL Mormons should make a prayerful attempt at reading the Bible cover to cover WITHOUT any outside influence of Mormon doctrine. My humble opinion is that Mr. Smith was a lair and a fraud, or a lair and demon possessed. I feel the very fact that he met such an ignoramus ending should be a dire warning to anyone presuming to be a prophet and the founder of the church at the expense of BIBLICAL HISTORIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
Congratulations, you are officially an anti-mormon.
 

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I believe what you are inferring is that marriage is never part of God's will in heaven or that it never will exist in heaven. For some I believe that to be true. But not for all.

John 12:36
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

In this verse Jesus expresses his desire that we should become the children of light. We should seek after the light of the gospel and submit unto the will of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:1-8
1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.
3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
4 I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.
5 So he called every one of his lord’s debtors unto him, and said unto the first, How much owest thou unto my lord?
6 And he said, An hundred measures of oil. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and sit down quickly, and write fifty.
7 Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

In the above verses, we see that an unfaithful steward perceiving to lose his stewardship with his lord, settled with the debtors of the lord for less than what they actually owed. Even though the unjust steward was cheating his lord, he was making good friends with those outside in hopes that when he lost his stewardship that they might receive him into their houses. The lord commended the unjust steward for his wisdom. What I wish to bring to your attention is verse 8. In that verse, Jesus contrasts the children of this world with the children of light. So the children of this world are not those who have been seeking the light of the gospel. But they do prepare better for failure than the children of light in this parable.

Now going back to whom Jesus was referring to when he was asked by the Sadducees (who did not believe the gospel of Christ and insisted that there was no resurrection). Jesus states:

Luke 20:34
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

So Jesus is talking about those who marry and are given in marriage who are among "the children of this world". Some of "the children of this world" may live very righteous lives and be worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven. However, if they remain "the children of this world" up until their resurrection, they will not inherit the highest degree in the kingdom of heaven. So when they get to the lower degrees of the kingdom of heaven, they will never have accepted the priesthood and sealing power thereof which includes the sealings of celestial marriage. Because of this, they will not advance any further than the angels who are in heaven.

Jesus in his answer to the Sadducees is directing his answer to them specifically. He is telling them, yes there is a resurrection of the dead and that he is not the God of the dead but the God of the living. He is also telling them that the family relationships they have in this world will not continue for them if they don't receive the light of the gospel and become children of light, that after they resurrect, they will not receive the sealing power of the gospel but if they are righteous enough to make it to the kingdom of heaven, they progress no further than becoming only as the angels in heaven for the rest of eternity instead being sealed to their family for eternity.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:1-4
1 In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;
2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];
3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.
4 He may enter into the other, but that is the end of his kingdom; he cannot have an increase.

The kingdom of heaven is also known as the celestial kingdom. The above verses tell us that mankind must receive the new and everlasting covenant of marriage or they cannot reach the highest degree in the celestial kingdom.

God's Plan for Families
Here is what I think of Mormonism (not directed at Mormons personally but THEIR RELIGION). Mormonism was founded by ONE man claiming to have had a liaison with GOD and an American angel who was once a man. In this journey of his, Mr. Smith found plates, translated the said plates (using a hat), gave the plates back thereby eliminating the evidence, found a book of Abraham written in Egyptian, and translated this Egyptian (which we now know to be without a doubt the book of Egyptian funeral rights and totally contrary to the "fact" Mr. Smith alleged). To top it all off, Mr. Smith set up Marriage to more than one wife as a key element for becoming a prophet, established his church of Latter Day Saints, wrote the Doctrines and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price.

Additionally, Mr. Smith cast doubt on the inerrancy of The Bible when compared to the Book of Mormon, claiming superiority of the translation of the book of Mormon over the Bible. The RELIGION established under MORMONISM is primarily focused on the Mormon family unit and the belief that we are all spirit children of GOD the Father and some mother goddess (including the MESSIAH and LUCIFER), and that our role is to come down to planet earth to prove our loyalty to GOD and thereby become full fledged gods ourselves. The entire simple plan of SALVATION seemingly plays second fiddle to Mormon Family Values, even to the point of trying to provide Jesus a wife. Unashamedly The GOD of MORMONISM cannot even create without pre-existing elements that apparently always existed without GOD.

And so MORMONISM either knowingly or unknowingly, disparages the Bible as being questionable and missing what Mormons deem important extraneous data. Disparages GOD --- calling into question HIS creative abilities and a HIS need for other deities and linking HIM as related generically to imperfect beings capable of SIN. Disparages the Messiah by linking HIM to Lucifer as both related and a "created/birthed" spirit --- capable of being SINFUL. Disparages all Christian churches because they do not regard the book of Mormon nor Mr. Joseph Smith as GOD's prophet. AND disparages the free gift of salvation through Christ by setting up doctrines and covenants of expectations which one must follow in order to enter heaven and not be relegated to some low level eternal existence in the next life.

ALL Mormons should make a prayerful attempt at reading the Bible cover to cover WITHOUT any outside influence of Mormon doctrine. My humble opinion is that Mr. Smith was a lair and a fraud, or a lair and demon possessed. I feel the very fact that he met such an ignoramus ending should be a dire warning to anyone presuming to be a prophet and the founder of the church at the expense of BIBLICAL HISTORIC CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
Congratulations, you are officially an anti-mormon.
Disbelief does not make one "anti" anything but you have to admit that his response is concise and it hits home.
 

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I will no longer address the posts of LittleNipper or BS Filter on this thread.
That is your response to an opinion that does not agree with your own. But perhaps you now understand why people slam their doors on unexpected callers every Sunday? It’s sort of the same thing as you’ve just done. But then I cannot fault your reaction any more than that of other missionary agendas. Missionary work has never been one of “exchange” but rather one of dictate.
 
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I will no longer address the posts of LittleNipper or BS Filter on this thread.
I can understand your frustration, but...I feel the same way about Catholicism, Baptists, Islam, etc. I still want to hear the whys and wherefores. Its a learning experience and you can either take what is being said as what THEY feel and think, or stay determined and loyal to you own.
 
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You have invoked the hard sell.
No clue what that means but...whatever.
Every Mormon is a trained missionary. You are very unlikely to get an overview of Mormonism from them without the hard sell. But if that’s what you want then you did well.
Same can be said about any religion.
Not true. Judaism does no missionary work. In fact, they make it difficult (almost discouraging) to convert to Judaism. And then there is their Talmud which (through scholarly debate) is in a perpetual state of revision.
 
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Whatever.
Point of this thread was plain curiosity on my part. NOT a faith/religion bashing thread. So state your beliefs, discuss, but no bashing, no belittling, no anything that is insulting to whomever believes in whatever.
 

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Whatever.
Point of this thread was plain curiosity on my part. NOT a faith/religion bashing thread. So state your beliefs, discuss, but no bashing, no belittling, no anything that is insulting to whomever believes in whatever.
Have I done any of those things?
 
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Not yet, but you are getting close. "Not true" is your opinion. Not fact, nor correct. Its opinion only. Little Nipper hit close to what I think too, but there are many things in many faiths that "tickles my ear" as well.
Everyone has a path. I meet them while on my own, and I want to know more. Then I commence on my path...alone. Which is as it should be.
 

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