Zone1 Beauty Culture and Works-Based Religions: Mormons and Amish

[Meriweather]

all for it as long as they cant adopt a female.

So you know what is best for females.... And, apparently adding more males to be with these remaining females is your answer.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I go back to the source, who is Martin Luther. Apparently he had a very strict father, who kept him busy with chores and what he did was never good enough. He felt he had to earn his place in his family, perhaps even earn his father's love, possibly?

This followed Martin Luther into the Church, where he seemed to think he had to work to stay in the family of God instead of realizing that the family of God is where he belonged, a place where the Body of Christ works/serves together with love.

Thank.

I am going to try and go a little farther with this.

I think you made the distinquishing point when you said "earn his father's love".

That we DON'T have to do. He loves all his children. That is who He is.

At the same time, he can't violate his own laws.

We love our children, but if they were to break a temporal law, we should expect them to pay the price for doing so. When we were raising them, we didn't like grounding them, but that was the "law".

There is a big difference and you articulated it.

But there are many who don't love God and who break his laws without remorse. He still loves them, but cannot save them in their sins. His gift of forgiveness depends upon our sincere desire to change. Otherwise we crucify him anew by claiming salvation and throwing his commandments back in his face. It doesn't work that way.

A "Works Based Faith" such as was brought up by the OP, meaning it was being derided, can only be derided if it replaces the gift of Christ with our own works and a belief that is good enough.

I don't know about the Amish, but the LDS church teaches that God as provide some level of glory for everyone. Saint and sinner alike. However, there are different degrees of glory and getting to "better" degrees is not a matter of doing things to check a box, but to experience the impact of change wrought by the Holy Ghost as you seek to grow closer. But you have to do it.

There is no choosing to follow/not follow the gentle commands of the Father and expecting a similar result in the next life. That simply does not fly.

In the parable of the prodigal son, many think the prodigal was again on equal footing with the brother who remained faithful. The Father tells his son "all that I have is thine", meaning the deal is still in place. He tells him his brother is back and that is great. But his brother spent his inheritance and will not be accorded another one in the future.