Majority Of U.S. Catholics Think Abortion Should Be Legal, Survey Shows

[whitehall]

WOW! What a religion.....Say two hail marys and abort away.

If nothing else it's convenient!

WOW more bigotry directed at Catholics.

 

[DudleySmith]

WOW more bigotry directed at Catholics.

Few Catholic scholars claim Peter founded their Church; they now precede the claim with phrases like 'by tradition', i.e. they endorse no such claim is factual. The NT itself points out who founded the first Christian church and who the first bishop, i.e. pope, was.

The Jerusalem Church was an early Christian community located in Jerusalem, of which James and Peter were leaders. According to a universal tradition the first bishop was the Apostle James the Less, the "brother of the Lord". His predominant place and residence in the city are implied by Galatians 1:19.

James, brother of Jesus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you want to get more technical and picky the first leader was Jesus himself, as in '

Matthew 18:20 New King James Version​

20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”​

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Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:20 - New King James Version

For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

www.biblegateway.com

Peter was never a bishop as far as anybody knows. We know he never went to Rome.

 

[protectionist]

If you believe it's a mortal sin, don't have one. As a Christian you can't judge the sin of another. The Bible is quite firm on the judgment thing.

I know more than 3 dozen women. None of them have had abortions either. Although some, I suspect, have on the quiet. Then, I also,know of those that have had abortions. Although, that secretary, she had them one right after another. She claimed birth control spoiled the spontaneity.
Realistically, the more women know, the more likely they are to accept abortion.

Maybe they need to SEE some of them. A good close look.

 

[lennypartiv]

WOW more bigotry directed at Catholics.

Well they are voting against America.

 

[protectionist]

No it is the decision to terminate the sustained growth and development of a never conscious human life by the person who must assume the risk of giving birth to an infant in cases where creation of a “baby” was not intentional or desirable.

Maybe you missed this in Post # 45 >>>

Don't think so ? Ask the thousands of adults whose mothers contemplated aborting them a few decades ago, and decided not to.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Maybe they need to SEE some of them. A good close look.

No matter how closely you look at a small blood clot, it's still a small blood clot.

You have simply exaggerated abortion until you think they are all full term babies.

 

[Kruska]

Sounds like a majority of Catholics understand that if you feel abortion is wrong then don’t get one and allow other to use their free will and make the choice for themselves as God intended.

What God COMMANDS !! (not "intended"), is known to every Christian faith, aka it's respective religious groups.

A "Choice" is neither given by the respective Christian religious groups - nor by the secular laws of the respective governments. Whereby the latter does not allow for an abortion after week 8-12. (unless e.g. the life of a mother is at stake).

The "right" towards abortion is therefore solely confined to the time period of Conception to week 8-12 - after that it is MURDER. (by law).

Therefore the "right" towards an abortion in e.g. France (now implemented into the French Constitution) serves solely the purpose of people who want an abortion (in France legal "before" week 16) - not having to undergo an administrative act to gain permission for an abortion "before" week 16.

That religious radicals do not permit for an abortion at all - even in the event of a mothers life being in danger, is IRRELEVANT - since Secular laws in Western and other democratic countries overrule religious believes aka Church rulings.

It is more or less solely the USA (due to it's numerous radical Protestant sects) that this issue has become a "major political" issue due to "religious motivated voters" having a traditional major impact onto US elections. E.g. "religious motivated voters" in e.g. France or Germany account for less then 10%. Therefore those countries political parties couldn't be bothered about "some voters radical religious motives".

 

[Kruska]

Correct. "The Church" was founded by St. Peter, and the Catholic Church, warts and all, is the correct path to faithfulness.

Incorrect - the Roman Christianity was not founded by St.Peter (there is no evidence for that, neither that he even preached in Rome)
St. Paul aka Saul of Tarsus (a Greek cultured Jew and Roman citizen) spread and recorded Jewish religious believes that opposed the traditional practiced Judaism at the time - and spread this "new belief" into Greek culture dominated Minor Asia and then in his last recorded years to Rome - were he was also executed under Nero.

The only "centralized and organized Christian Church" in the Roman Empire was that, headquartered in Byzantine aka later called Constantinople. Upon Roman emperor Constantin establishing that the "Greek Christian Church Religion" became the official religion in the Roman Empire. Roman Christians then stared getting into a power-struggle (naturally due to Rome versus East Rome) thus founding the Roman Church at around 330 A.D. (hence coming up with the St. Peter claim).

Pope Gregor I, then was the first elected Boss of the then founded Roman Catholic Church at around 620 A.D and officially split with the Greek Christian Church - the latter from then on termed Orthodox Christian Church.

Therefore arguably the "true and original" Christian Church with it's initial propagated dogmas is the Greek Christian Church aka the Orthodox Church. All others incl. especially the Protestant sects from the 15th century onward are self-determined/invented religions that forward self-written claims, towards representing Christianity aka Jesus and God.

Okay back to topic; about a "supposed right" towards abortion after e.g. week 8-12 - aka Murder.

 

[DudleySmith]

What God COMMANDS !! (not "intended"), is known to every Christian faith, aka it's respective religious groups.

A "Choice" is neither given by the respective Christian religious groups - nor by the secular laws of the respective governments. Whereby the latter does not allow for an abortion after week 8-12. (unless e.g. the life of a mother is at stake).

The "right" towards abortion is therefore solely confined to the time period of Conception to week 8-12 - after that it is MURDER. (by law).

Therefore the "right" towards an abortion in e.g. France (now implemented into the French Constitution) serves solely the purpose of people who want an abortion (in France legal "before" week 16) - not having to undergo an administrative act to gain permission for an abortion "before" week 16.

That religious radicals do not permit for an abortion at all - even in the event of a mothers life being in danger, is IRRELEVANT - since Secular laws in Western and other democratic countries overrule religious believes aka Church rulings.

It is more or less solely the USA (due to it's numerous radical Protestant sects) that this issue has become a "major political" issue due to "religious motivated voters" having a traditional major impact onto US elections. E.g. "religious motivated voters" in e.g. France or Germany account for less then 10%. Therefore those countries political parties couldn't be bothered about "some voters radical religious motives".

lol those countries are being over run by religious fanatics. Muslims have essentially taken over big swathes of Europe's major cities and run them. Euros wet themselves in fear of offending them.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Jones thinks Biden is a practicing Catholic.... roflmao. What a dope

Biden and Pelosi. Two fine, upstanding devout Catholics

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

No matter how closely you look at a small blood clot, it's still a small blood clot.

You have simply exaggerated abortion until you think they are all full term babies.

An EMBRYO is a blood clot? Who knew!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Maybe you missed this in Post # 45 >>>

Don't think so ? Ask the thousands of adults whosbiese mothers contemplated aborting them a few decades ago, and decided not to.

Noble women to be sure. That was the case with Tim Tebow. A more curious case is women that are forced to carry the ba

An EMBRYO is a blood clot? Who knew!

Some heavy periods might be early stage miscarriages. Generally, if there are a lot of clots, it's a miscarriage. Did you think these were teeny babies just doll house sized?
As the baby develops it looks more like a baby. Have you ever seen a 4D ultrasound? That would change minds about late term abortion.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Did you think these were teeny babies just doll house sized?

I "think" they are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life. WTF is wrong with you?

 

[DudleySmith]

I "think" they are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life. WTF is wrong with you?

They certainly never look like 'blood clots', and by 6 to 8 weeks it's clear exactly what they are to even half blind people. The DNA is all there from conception.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The moment of conception

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I "think" they are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life. WTF is wrong with you?

Ohhhhhhh. GENETICALLY fully human. Of course. They are fully human beings on a molecular level with their own unique DNA. they just don't look it. It takes a laboratory to determine whether a blood clot is an expelled embryo or a menstrual clot.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The moment of conception

Amazing isn't it? My personal opinion is that the life does not begin at the moment of conception. If, for some reason the zygote doesn't implant it will never develop into anything. It will simply die. I don't consider life beginning at conception but at implantation.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ask the thousands of adults whose mothers contemplated aborting them a few decades ago, and decided not to.

Ask them what?

I "think" they are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life.

The DNA is all there from conception.

Yes at conception we human beings are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life and our new unique DNA is all there; but there is only one established stream of consciousness;

there is only one life’s energy;

there is only one human soul or spiritual essence;

ONE LIFE ……is.….. driving’s every single biological function taking place in a pregnant woman’s body until separation at miscarriage or separation at still or live birth.

One! Think about it.

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[protectionist]

Ask them what?






Yes at conception we human beings are genetically FULLY human in the earliest stages of life and our new unique DNA is all there; but there is only one established stream of consciousness;

there is only one life’s energy;

there is only one human soul or spiritual essence;

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One! Think about it.

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Ask them if they are a "never conscious human life". And ask them if they support being aborted. In a survey done a few years ago, more than 1,000 of these formerly potential abortion adults were asked that. ZERO responded in favor of abortion.

So let's look at the concerned parties.
1. the pregnant woman
2. her doctor
3. the person who could have been aborted, and is now an adult

Who should have the greater say in this decision ? To the pregnant woman, it is a matter of convenience. To the doctor it s a $ale.
To the person not aborted, it is life & death.

 

[Lord-Humungus]

What God COMMANDS !! (not "intended"), is known to every Christian faith, aka it's respective religious groups.

A "Choice" is neither given by the respective Christian religious groups - nor by the secular laws of the respective governments. Whereby the latter does not allow for an abortion after week 8-12. (unless e.g. the life of a mother is at stake).

The "right" towards abortion is therefore solely confined to the time period of Conception to week 8-12 - after that it is MURDER. (by law).

Therefore the "right" towards an abortion in e.g. France (now implemented into the French Constitution) serves solely the purpose of people who want an abortion (in France legal "before" week 16) - not having to undergo an administrative act to gain permission for an abortion "before" week 16.

That religious radicals do not permit for an abortion at all - even in the event of a mothers life being in danger, is IRRELEVANT - since Secular laws in Western and other democratic countries overrule religious believes aka Church rulings.

It is more or less solely the USA (due to it's numerous radical Protestant sects) that this issue has become a "major political" issue due to "religious motivated voters" having a traditional major impact onto US elections. E.g. "religious motivated voters" in e.g. France or Germany account for less then 10%. Therefore those countries political parties couldn't be bothered about "some voters radical religious motives".

If you want to follow gods suggestions then follow them, others can do as they wish while you mind your own business and all will be fine.