Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[hobelim]

"He was not who they'd hope him to be", "WHEN HE FAILED TO LIBERATE THEM" and instead got them scattered and slain- killed.

You don't understand. Go figure. Jesus liberated all people from "the burden of the Law" which is the death, a curse, for not fulfilling the Laws demands, freeing everyone who listens to his teaching, that the words used in the Law are figurative the subjects hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, and acts on it.

Being murdered, just like every prophet was murdered, because actors and lying frauds like you who lust after fame, fortune, and a smooth easy life unaffected by the carnage created by the lie that the Law is to be taken and applied literally, were publicly confounded and embarrassed by the simplicity and obvious wisdom of that revelation is not evidence of any failure of Jesus but evidence that many JEWISH people had enough faith in the truth from God revealed by Jesus and received the reward of the righteous by being killed. Eternal life.

You have perjured yourself in the name of the Lord, died, and descended into hell, the realm of the dead. And anyone like shimon who shamelessly degrades themselves by kissing your unclean ass has also already died and descended into hell, the realm of the dead. Gehenna.

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!.... Death. a curse.

Unless you repent for your murders and sorcery you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

what's funny is a true believer will never be shaken by the antics of people like in this thread. Our belief doesn't require proof it is faith that we have. And we won't lose that faith because of the whining's of unbelievers,

 

[hobelim]

what's funny is a true believer will never be shaken by the antics of people like in this thread. Our belief doesn't require proof it is faith that we have

Faith in what?

Believing that the torture and murder of Jesus, an innocent man, as a "perfect human sacrifice" gives you a get out of hell free card? Isn't that 'faith" objectively reprehensible? And how is even possible to believe in something that you can't explain or understand?

True sucker.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Faith in what?

Believing the crucifixion of Jesus as a human sacrifice gives you a get out of hell free card?

How is even possible to believe in something that you can't explain or understood rationally

True sucker.

Ya you are.

 

[hobelim]

Ya you are.

Great response!

How is defying the Law of God and desecrating the teachings of Jesus working out for you?

Ignorance is bliss?

Enjoy!

 

[Meriweather]

Yeshu of 100bc Carpenter Father Joseph but not biological father which was Panderas the Roman soldier (this is why Mark states Joseph had a mind to divorce her quietly as to not get her stoned. It's also why the Roman church favors the Half Roman christ figure.
The Galilean or the Capernaum Figure was the fisherman, hence the combined Jesus having 2 professions, 2 persecution blames and types of sentencing, 2 descriptions, 2 ages lived to, 2 heights described, 2 appearnces described, 3 hometowns, and of course needing a new name.

HaShev, again you are combining people/personalities. Listen: We are speaking of Jesus in the New Testament, whose mission was forgiveness, mercy, and grace. Notes how he starts out. He climbs into Peter's boat (without asking permission), speaks to the crowd, and then tells Peter to go out into deeper waters for a catch. There is a big catch and Peter tells Jesus he should leave him because he is a sinful man. Jesus simply tells him that now he will be a fisher of men--and off they go on this mission of spreading forgiveness, mercy, and grace.

Along the way they run into Zacchaeus who is up in a tree because he wants to see Jesus as he passes by. Jesus says, "Zacchaeus, I'm going to stay in your house today." (Again, doesn't ask, simply states what he will do.) The result, Zacchaeus gives half of what he has to the poor and repays four times over what he has defrauded from others.

In other words, Jesus "crashes" into people bringing forgiveness, grace, and mercy. And they respond to the benefit of themselves and others. Or, people "crash" into Jesus and they are healed, and bring blessings to others.

This is why Christianity thrives and will continue to thrive. It's about a relationship with God, through Jesus Christ, that begins with grace, mercy, and forgiveness that we do our best (however little that is) to bring blessings to others.

 

[HaShev]

Claiming Jesus was not a man or was homosexual is not using scripture retard

reread the OP, once again 1 of the 3 figures used to make his stories and image was WRITTEN TO BE BISEXUAL including clues all over the NT.
Once again proving you can't refute your own texts so you are forced to be belligerent to the people who point out the issues.
YOU DO REALIZE THEY HIDE THE FACT CAPERNAUM IS HIS HOMETOWN BECAUSE IT'S LIKEN TO SAN FRANCISCO, SO WHY WOULD THEY LIE TO YOU ABOUT THE TOWN OF NAZARETH?
Capernaum sources his hometown liken to Soddom:
Matthew 4:13
Matthew 11:23
Matthew 17:24
Mark 1:21,2:1 etc

 

[BreezeWood]

It's about a relationship with God, through Jesus Christ, that begins with grace, mercy, and forgiveness that we do our best (however little that is) to bring blessings to others.

no person ever has had a relationship with the heavens through any other means than their own direct spiritual endeavor -

to claim jesus ever conspired to intercede in any relationships refutes their true heavenly mission to teach liberation theology, self determination as refuting false commandments, hereditary idolatry - religions of apartheid they and those others gave their lives for in defiance of the existing religious demographics.

 

[shimon]

joseph and mary never quivered in the love for eachother everyone new from the beginning their courage to dismiss the evils of judaism, moses and their false commandments written to persecute and victimize the innocent.

they were protected by the heavens and their was nothing - shimon - could do about their love than hopelessly deny their existence or that of their child.

Your take is interesting but as usual you talk in the same vein you always do… It is obvious that the New Testament writers were not writing their scriptures from a Jewish point of view but a pagan more then likely Greek and by extension Roman one that is why from a Greek point of view it was very common for a woman to claim she was impregnated by a Greek god that way her family would not be shamed or a worse fate would befall her ……If as it is stated in the New Testament she had a virgin birth and by extension was impregnated by the “ quote” Spirit of god” then Joseph would not be the father and by extension if Jesus was claimed as God himself then he committed incest with his mother by producing himself did he not… Now I am sure there are those here that will come up with a fancy argument to my logic by twisting like a pretzel to make their point but hey only someone with an open mind can figure things out and add up 1 plus 1 = 2 Don’t cha think…So in reality was Josephreally the father no one talked about there love for each other or as Sat Friday on Dragnet used to say “ Just the facts Mam or Man” …..

 

[shimon]

To use the name "Lucifer" for the challenger is a totally absurde nonsense. Always was nonsense. The "morning star" calls the sun to shine. This is a totally positive picture which is also used for Jesus on his own. Nowhere in the Old and New Testament says anyone anything about that the morning star could be anything what we could interpret in a negative destructive way.

Really Zaang Nabette where is that wascally wabbit……Sorry Zaang I just couldn’t resist finally I decided to use it…Forgive me…..lol…….Actually looking at the use of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 applied to the king of Babylon gave rise to the general use of the Latin word for "morning star", capitalized, as the original name of the devil before his fall from grace, linking Isaiah 14:12 with Luke 10 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven")…So in reality you are incorrect…Sorry to burst your bible…

 

[zaangalewa]

Really Zaang Nabette

Zaangalewa is an avatar name - or with other words a kind of phone number. Phone numbers have nothing to do with the freedom of speech except someone doesn't like to call.

where is that wascally wabbit…

Eh? I am no native English speaker. So your "joke" failed.

…Sorry Zaang

"Sorry" is a totally misused word in the English world. Fortunatelly it got asylum in Germany as a well respected word.

I just couldn’t resist finally I decided to use it…Forgive me…..lol…….#

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Actually looking at the use of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 applied to the king of Babylon gave rise to the general use of the Latin word for "morning star", capitalized, as the original name of the devil before his fall from grace, linking Isaiah 14:12 with Luke 10 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven")…So in reality you are incorrect…Sorry to burst your bible…

14:12 quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes
Translation:
14:12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, [...] How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

The context is a taunt against a 78 years old baby ... ah sorry ... The context is a taunt against an old Babylonian king:
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... When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: “How the oppressor has ceased, the insolent fury ceased! The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of rulers, that struck the peoples in wrath with unceasing blows, that ruled the nations in anger with unrelenting persecution. The whole earth is at rest and quiet; they break forth into singing. The cypresses rejoice at you, the cedars of Lebanon, saying, ‘Since you were laid low, no woodcutter comes up against us.’ Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come; it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations. All of them will answer and say to you: ‘You too have become as weak as we! You have become like us!’ Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers. “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ But you are brought down to Sheol, to the far reaches of the pit. Those who see you will stare at you and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?’ All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; but you are cast out, away from your grave, like a loathed branch, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the pit, like a dead body trampled underfoot. You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your land, you have slain your people. “May the offspring of evildoers nevermore be named! ...
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[zaangalewa]

... Luke 10 ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven")…

Who for heavens sake thinks on the planet Venus in the morning before sun rise when a lightening falls from the sky?

 

[BackAgain]

Why can’t there be a serious conversation of the telepathic lungfish from Planet X?

 

[BreezeWood]

joseph and mary never quivered in the love for eachother everyone new from the beginning their courage to dismiss the evils of judaism, moses and their false commandments written to persecute and victimize the innocent.

……If as it is stated in the New Testament she had a virgin birth and by extension was impregnated by the “ quote” Spirit of god” then Joseph would not be the father and by extension if Jesus was claimed as God himself then he committed incest with his mother by producing himself did he not…

it is not stated correctly in the christian bible ... you are correct.

shimon, not everyone sympathizes with what is written by the crucifiers in their "new" testament ... and are sympathetic to the actual teachings of jesus - liberation theology, self determination.

their version is no less corrupt than the version of judaism commandments written by moses - those two in fact were in defiance against as much as the deception you claim written for the same reason to placate religious zealots and their proclivity for punishment.

that's why those four are chosen by the heavens for the opening scene of the 1st century events for the very reason their true love and way of life mary joseph jesus and mary m is in defiance of both judaism and roman (christian) jurisprudence and in real life managed somehow to live freely in a very dark time.

- than of course by the magi who were sent by the heavens who would kill whoever would try to harm the heavenly exemplars during that early time.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Fact: in the Book of Thomas he speaks of the day body parts will be changed and man made female and female into men, but why?
How would he know unless he was transformed?

The Book of Thomas is not scripture. It is a book written by ancient Gnostic heretics who had rejected traditional Christianity. It was written at least 100 years after Jesus died.

 

[HaShev]

The Book of Thomas is not scripture. It is a book written by ancient Gnostic heretics who had rejected traditional Christianity. It was written at least 100 years after Jesus died.

and use that same standard: the NT was not written by Jewish Prophets or Rabbis, no Jewish sages nor scholars, nobody the books are named after wrote them, and they were written years after they already disbanded or were scattered and slain (failed revolts).
The book of Luke had portions removed with an admission that he was not who they'd hoped him to be when he failed to liberate them. Like I stated in my other post, they died before they coukd tell you what they thought about Koresh- er I mean Jesus (same scenerio=cult leaders who get their followers killed and it's to late to recant).