Zone1 Who created all things?

[onefour1]

onefour1:

the word godhead is a fabrication that showed up in an English translation of the Bible 1,500 years after the Bible was written.


Alter2Ego

Well, the word godhead implies that which makes up God. If we look at the Greek for Colossians 2:9 we get the word "Θεότητος" or Theotētos which is translated as "Diety". The word Diety and Godhead are synonymous. Their meanings are the same. The verse is telling us that Jesus had the fulness of the Diety or Godhead within him.

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[Alter2Ego]

Figidweirdo:

It's because energy is a creation, meaning it required a creator.


Alter2Ego

And how do you "know" this?

Any evidence it was created?

And what is God then? If God can create things, he must be something that needed to be created.

If not, then energy doesn't need to have been created

frigidweirdo:

It's known by the fact that energy does not occur on its own; it requires a force to produce it. For instance, below is how energy is produced in the United States according to one source. Focus on the words bolded in red.

"Primary energy sources include fossil fuels (petroleum, natural gas, and coal), nuclear energy, and renewable sources of energy. Electricity is a secondary energy source that is generated (produced) from primary energy sources.."

U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. energy supply by types of energy sources and energy consumption by transportation, industrial, commercial, residential, and electric power sectors.

www.eia.gov

Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

And how do you "know" this?

Any evidence it was created?

And what is God then? If God can create things, he must be something that needed to be created.

If not, then energy doesn't need to have been created

frigidweirdo:

Scripture makes it clear that Almighty God Jehovah has always existed.

Psalm 90:2​

"Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God."


FYI: Almighty God is not "something." He is someone.



Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

onefour1:

the word godhead is a fabrication that showed up in an English translation of the Bible 1,500 years after the Bible was written.


Alter2Ego

Well, the word godhead implies that which makes up God. If we look at the Greek for Colossians 2:9 we get the word "Θεότητος" or Theotētos which is translated as "Diety". The word Diety and Godhead are synonymous. Their meanings are the same. The verse is telling us that Jesus had the fulness of the Diety or Godhead within him.

onefour1:

I don't care what it implies. The word godhead is a fabricated word that doesn't belong in the Judeo-Christian Bible. What is it about that don't you get?



Alter2Ego

 

[onefour1]

onefour1:

I don't care what it implies. The word godhead is a fabricated word that doesn't belong in the Judeo-Christian Bible. What is it about that don't you get?



Alter2Ego

You say the word is fabricated. What do you mean by that? The word "Godhead" has a specific meaning in English and means the head gods or deity. It has the same meaning as the Deity. The word that is translated as "Deity" or "Godhead" is "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos" which is translated by some as Deity and others as Godhead. They have basically the same meaning. So are you claiming that the original Greek text does not have the word, "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos"? What exactly is your argument? From what can find, the original Greek does have the word "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos"!

Colossians 2:9​

9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,

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For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,

This is from Colossians 2:9 - Original Greek Text

 

[GLASNOST]

Who created all things?​

Not 'who' but 'what'?

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo:

It's known by the fact that energy does not occur on its own; it requires a force to produce it. For instance, below is how energy is produced in the United States according to one source. Focus on the words bolded in red.

"Primary energy sources include fossil fuels (petroleum, natural gas, and coal), nuclear energy, and renewable sources of energy. Electricity is a secondary energy source that is generated (produced) from primary energy sources.."

U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. energy supply by types of energy sources and energy consumption by transportation, industrial, commercial, residential, and electric power sectors.

www.eia.gov

Alter2Ego

Not really what you understand by the term "energy" here.

Atoms are most likely made up of energy. That's all they are. An atom will have various parts of energy that have different functions, most likely based on the way they move (in waves).

So when you have "energy sources", the energy isn't being created, it's being transferred.

So when you have a fire, all that's happening is that energy is going from the wood, or whatever is burning, and it's becoming light, it's becoming heat, it's moving from one thing and going elsewhere.

When you put your hands near the fire, that energy is being transferred to other atoms, like the atoms in your hand and those atoms are then moving faster in your hand because of that transfer of energy.

So, essentially if there were a "Big Bang", chances are that what happened was just a HUGE transfer of energy.

A short while after any supposed Big Bang, that energy formed into atoms because it cooled enough for that energy to be stable enough to be an atom, before that it was just very fast moving energy that wasn't stable.

Nothing suggests this energy was made by some mythical being. How would a God create energy?

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo:

Scripture makes it clear that Almighty God Jehovah has always existed.

Psalm 90:2​

"Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God."


FYI: Almighty God is not "something." He is someone.



Alter2Ego

Harry Potter is pretty clear that Quidditch is played by wizards.....

Doesn't mean it's true.

 

[ding]

Jesus said we would be hated.

Not sure how you made the leap to hate.

 

[tyroneweaver]

tyroneweaver:

According to Hebrews 1:1-2, the only Creator is Jehovah the Father. So what point are you attempting to make here?


Alter2Ego

Did Jehovah die?

 

[hadit]

When you use a translation Jesus would support= Gods name in over 7000 places, maybe then you can see Gods truth. I pray you will.

Okay, from your translation, what Daniel saw:

I kept watching until thrones were set in place and the Ancient of Days sat down.

Note, "thrones", not "throne", "thrones". That means God is seated on one of them, and someone else is going to sit on the other. Now, I've shown you these kinds of things from your translation before. Where do we EVER see God sitting with an equal? We do not.

 

[Eman623]

Eman623:

Scripture makes it clear that Almighty God Jehovah has always existed.

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.


Alter2Ego

I'm not a Christian.

 

[Alter2Ego]

onefour1:

I don't care what it implies. The word godhead is a fabricated word that doesn't belong in the Judeo-Christian Bible. What is it about that don't you get?



Alter2Ego

You say the word is fabricated. What do you mean by that? The word "Godhead" has a specific meaning in English and means the head gods or deity. It has the same meaning as the Deity. The word that is translated as "Deity" or "Godhead" is "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos" which is translated by some as Deity and others as Godhead. They have basically the same meaning. So are you claiming that the original Greek text does not have the word, "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos"? What exactly is your argument? From what can find, the original Greek does have the word "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos"!

Colossians 2:9​

9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,

---

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,

This is from Colossians 2:9 - Original Greek Text

onefour1:

A fabricated word is something that someone made up.

There are no Hebrew words (in the Old Testament), and there are no Greek words (in the New Testament) that mean "godhead." The fabricated word "godhead" began with John Wycliffe's English translation in 1382, with the word "godhede".

John Wycliffe Bible 1382 Textus Receptus Bibles

John Wycliffe Bible 1382

www.textusreceptusbibles.com

Then the King James Translators (all of whom were Trinitarians) changed godhede it to godhead in their 1611 English translation.

"John Wycliffe introduced the term godhede into English Bible versions in two places, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Tyndale New Testament(1525), the Geneva Bible(1560/1599), and King James Version(1611). In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Koine Greek words:

https://tr-ex.me/translation/english-malay/english+bible

Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Not really what you understand by the term "energy" here.

Atoms are most likely made up of energy. That's all they are. An atom will have various parts of energy that have different functions, most likely based on the way they move (in waves).

So when you have "energy sources", the energy isn't being created, it's being transferred.

So when you have a fire, all that's happening is that energy is going from the wood, or whatever is burning, and it's becoming light, it's becoming heat, it's moving from one thing and going elsewhere.

When you put your hands near the fire, that energy is being transferred to other atoms, like the atoms in your hand and those atoms are then moving faster in your hand because of that transfer of energy.

So, essentially if there were a "Big Bang", chances are that what happened was just a HUGE transfer of energy.

A short while after any supposed Big Bang, that energy formed into atoms because it cooled enough for that energy to be stable enough to be an atom, before that it was just very fast moving energy that wasn't stable.

Nothing suggests this energy was made by some mythical being. How would a God create energy?

frigidweirdo:

I gave you the weblink to a source that explains where energy came from because you challenged me to prove that energy is created. You've been debunked.


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

Harry Potter is pretty clear that Quidditch is played by wizards.....

Doesn't mean it's true.

frigidweirdo:

Your problem is that you are trying to compare the Judeo-Christian Bible to the Harry Potter fiction books. Everybody who read Harry Potter books know the stories were made up and written by Joanne Rowling aka J. K. Rowling.

Here's your problem: The Judeo-Christian Bible was written by inspiration of Almighty God Jehovah. Proof that it was written by God's inspiration is seen by the fact that it contains some 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophecies, some of which have been confirmed by secular historians. Secular historians are not necessarily Bible believers, so when they confirm something that was prophesied in scripture, it's because of evidence they found to prove it.

FYI: Humans are not capable of accurately prophesying events that happen right on point, in exact detail, many years after the prophesy was given.



Alter2Ego

 

[onefour1]

onefour1:

A fabricated word is something that someone made up.

So an unfabricated word is one that nobody made up and was never invented? Can you give me an example of an unfabricated word. I would think that as language evolves, new words are created all the time which are "made up".

There are no Hebrew words (in the Old Testament), and there are no Greek words (in the New Testament) that mean "godhead." The fabricated word "godhead" began with John Wycliffe's English translation in 1382, with the word "godhede".

John Wycliffe Bible 1382 Textus Receptus Bibles

John Wycliffe Bible 1382

www.textusreceptusbibles.com

This would then call into question the true translation of the Greek word "Θεότητος" or "Theotētos" from the original Greek in the New Testament from Colossians 2

Colossians 2:9​

9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,

---

For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily,

How do you translate this Greek word that is found in the original text? If you also translate it as "deity" then even if the word "Godhead" came later, if it has basically the same meaning, then I think you are really making alot out of nothing. Does "godhede" have a different meaning than "godhead"? Maybe just the spelling changed but the meaning is consistent. If "godhede", "godhead" and "deity" all have the same same meaning, then who cares which word they use in the translation if they all mean the same thing even if the word was created at a later time?

Then the King James Translators (all of whom were Trinitarians) changed godhede it to godhead in their 1611 English translation.

"John Wycliffe introduced the term godhede into English Bible versions in two places, and, though somewhat archaic, the term survives in modern English because of its use in three places of the Tyndale New Testament(1525), the Geneva Bible(1560/1599), and King James Version(1611). In that translation, the word was used to translate three different Koine Greek words:

https://tr-ex.me/translation/english-malay/english+bible

Alter2Ego

I think that all that really matters is that the same idea that is found in the original text is translated into the new text when translating. If it conveys the same meaning or idea, then you have a good translation. When I hear the word, "Godhead" my first thought is not the Catholic trinity. My first thought is the head god or gods or the one who is over all. I don't jump to a 3 in 1 God concept. From reading the Bible, God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct beings that unite together in purpose and doctrine and constitute a single God as far as what they represent and stand for.

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo:

I gave you the weblink to a source that explains where energy came from because you challenged me to prove that energy is created. You've been debunked.


Alter2Ego

And I explained why your supposed debunking is wrong.


Unless, of course, you're the sort of person who says "Well, I posted this, therefore it proves everything and I'm always right."

You want a conversation, we can have a conversation. You want to pretend that because you posted a website about something that isn't about what we're talking about, but claim it proves your point and there's no more conversation.... then.... we're done here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

frigidweirdo:

Your problem is that you are trying to compare the Judeo-Christian Bible to the Harry Potter fiction books. Everybody who read Harry Potter books know the stories were made up and written by Joanne Rowling aka J. K. Rowling.

Here's your problem: The Judeo-Christian Bible was written by inspiration of Almighty God Jehovah. Proof that it was written by God's inspiration is seen by the fact that it contains some 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophecies, some of which have been confirmed by secular historians. Secular historians are not necessarily Bible believers, so when they confirm something that was prophesied in scripture, it's because of evidence they found to prove it.

FYI: Humans are not capable of accurately prophesying events that happen right on point, in exact detail, many years after the prophesy was given.



Alter2Ego

It's a problem to compare one book of fiction written 2,000 years ago with another book of fiction written 30 years ago???

Do you honestly think that Jesus turned water into wine? That Noah put two of every species onto a boat the same size as the USS Wyoming? There are TWO MILLION species, and some of them would have been unknown to Noah as he would not have known about the Americas, Australia etc etc.

The Bible isn't fact.

 

[onefour1]

It's a problem to compare one book of fiction written 2,000 years ago with another book of fiction written 30 years ago???

Do you honestly think that Jesus turned water into wine?

Yes.

That Noah put two of every species onto a boat the same size as the USS Wyoming?

God likely brought the animals to the boat.

There are TWO MILLION species, and some of them would have been unknown to Noah as he would not have known about the Americas, Australia etc etc.

The earth wasn't divided until after the days of Noah, see Genesis 10:25

25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Noah and the Flood came before the days of Peleg. In Peleg's days the earth was divided. Before those days the earth was a single land mass.

The Bible isn't fact.

False.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes.

God likely brought the animals to the boat.

The earth wasn't divided until after the days of Noah, see Genesis 10:25

25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan.

Noah and the Flood came before the days of Peleg. In Peleg's days the earth was divided. Before those days the earth was a single land mass.

False.

The more sane Christians on this forum accept that the Bible is a loads of stories with a moral twist to teach people a lesson. The less sane are those who think it's true.

When have you ever seen anyone turn water into wine? Never? So why would you think some fictional dude from a book could do it, when you don't believe Harry Potter could fly around on a broom stick.

Your divided quote seems a little weird and "divided" could mean many, many things. I doubt it means what you're saying it means.

Go on then, prove to me that the Bible is fact. I'll wait, not long, I'll give you one try before I tell you that you're wrong. (And by "prove" I don't mean throw sentences from the Bible at me)