Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[hobelim]

But we should remain quite when a Jew attacks Jesus right?.

You have to understand that Hashev believes that he is the highest form of life next to God who has aspirations and dreams of being the next high priest, a glorified butcher, in a fancy slaughterhouse that he hopes to be rebuilt very soon on the Temple Mount. So he has to denigrate Jesus because if Jesus is the real Messiah Hashev is just another narcissistic liar.

Just another false prophet trying to screw his own people for status, fame, and money so he can live on easy street. Just like any fake Christian preacher who fleeces the gullible for cash

As if that was a big secret.

 

[HaShev]

Naturally, you may choose to remain in your ignorance. But at least consider where the Bible mentions the purpose of marks on foreheads. It occurs in Judaism, as early as Exodus.

Exodus 13 It shall be as a sign on your hand and a a reminder on your forehead.

Exodus 13:16 – Let this, then, be as a sign on your hand and as a pendant on your forehead: With a strong hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt (i.e. slavery)

Deuteronomy 11:18: Therefore, take these words of mine into your heart and soul. Bid them at your wrist as a sign, and let them be a pendant on your forehead.

All these were a sign that these people worshiped God.


Now, let take a look at Revelation 13:16 (New Testament) where Nero decreed a sign that he was the god to be worship be on the people’s foreheads:

"He (Nero) causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads".

In the Roman Empire during Nero’s time, no one could buy or sell unless they had Nero’s mark (the sign of the beast that he was to all Christians) on their foreheads.


In the Old Testament, ashes were a sign of penance. The cross is a sign of God’s redemption of mankind, therefore a sign of God. I understand that Jews hold no belief that God, Himself became man to share in our humanity, and continually showed his love for his people even through death. Again, Jews hold no such belief, but it is the heart of Christianity and Christian teaching.

Jews can sincerely and respectfully say, "We hold no such belief" while respecting the faith of Christians. The reasoning and logic Christians have for belief Jesus was the begotten Son of God, a part of Him from the beginning of time, is immense, and this, too, deserves respect.

Is it not the NT that says the devil (beast) is the power of death(Rev), the gatekeeper of hell(Rev)?
Isn't the cross the symbol for death (the power of the beast) predating Christianity? (you can look it up if you don't know).
Then the mark of the hell firey ash being the mark of death means it's the mark of the beast. -common sense 101

 

[Meriweather]

A Christian should not be silent and decide to NOT SAY ANYTHING

Are you accusing me of this? If so, I need a post. Basically, when fellow posters begin snarking at each other, I skip past those posts. I'm here to discuss religion, not to get involved in personal jousts.

 

[HaShev]

no that was not the indiscript jesus who was crucified by the jews ... their repudiation of judaism not mentioned in the christian bible is what throws you off.


* freudian slip "alert" ... maggis - were you thinking the - magi - who were sent by the heavens to protect jesus mary joseph from the hateful moses and their 10 commandments ... yes, they showed their blades on several occasions when the jews were looking for some stones - not intended for cooking ...

See you just sliped and proved the Christian oral tradition that has no likeness to the NT account is a tradition of deflecting blame to be antisemitic.
fact:1)the son of Mary figure of 100bc was stoned and hanged which the NT accounts, for breaking the forbidden laws at that time
2)the crucified Galilean tax revolter and the ad era river Jordan figures were sentenced by and through the hands of Rome for revolts against Rome.
This is the kind of Antisemitic stuff that got Mel Gibson in trouble. It's the kibd of grouping of people nonsense that gets populations killed.

 

[Meriweather]

But we should remain quite when a Jew attacks Jesus right?

Jesus is not a poster here. He has no one to correct what others say when one gets something wrong. And--unfortunately--disinformation about Jesus has been rife in this thread. Still, I can imagine Jesus suggesting to his disciples they correct the error without attacking the one who submitted it.

 

[dblack]

There's compelling evidence that Jesus was an overweight white guy with an abiding passion for monster trucks.

Do your own research.

 

[Meriweather]

Is it not the NT that says the devil (beast) is the power of death(Rev), the gatekeeper of hell(Rev)?
Isn't the cross the symbol for death (the power of the beast) predating Christianity? (you can look it up if you don't know).
Then the mark of the hell firey ash being the mark of death means it's the mark of the beast. -common sense 101

Christians see sackcloth and ashes in the penitence shown by the people of Nineveh when Jonah called for them to repent or face destruction.

HaShev, I have noted before it's not good scholarship nor good form to take your own symbols, mix them around, and then throw that bad stew at Christians. It's worse than mixing metaphors. Before you do that, first ask: Why do Christians choose the symbols of ash and cross? I believe I've already explained the Christian reasons for both. It's truly bad scholarship for a poster to throw a, "No, no--here is what they REALLY mean--" as that comes across as ineptly clueless. It also comes across as pernicious as well as ignorantly silly.

 

[BreezeWood]

See you just sliped and proved the Christian oral tradition that has no likeness to the NT account is a tradition of deflecting blame to be antisemitic.

there is no need for deflection there is not a christian oral tradition either that is the christian bible, the roman account of the 1st century events written four centuries past their occurrence and does not reflect the true jesus the jews murdered for religious reasons having nothing to do with roman occupation.

hashev has yet to verify the false commandments claimed by the liar moses or the hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid made by abraham to disguise the fallacies of judaism with their groundless accusations for multiple identity theft of the christian messiah so claimed by judaism and not the historical itinerant never to have claimed as such their distinction they non the less pretentiously murdered for the true fact of repudiation of judaism they did proclaim.

 

[HaShev]

Jesus is not a poster here. He has no one to correct what others say when one gets something wrong. And--unfortunately--disinformation about Jesus has been rife in this thread. Still, I can imagine Jesus suggesting to his disciples they correct the error without attacking the one who submitted it.

take this a step further and think for a second, that the followers being all dead and gone (never resurrected), can no longer tell you that as Luke stated: "He was not who they'd hope him to be", "WHEN HE FAILED TO LIBERATE THEM" and instead got them scattered and slain- killed.
Thomas and that part of Luke was removed from the story by leaving it out of the final edition. And of course those that died never had a chance to add their 2 cents either, that the kingdom and liberation never came to them, then they paid a price of life for following him, sort of like the stories about selling your soul to the devil.

This would be like someone writing books in the name of dead Branch Davidians without giving them a chance and say that they were wrong about David Koresh. Or dead followers of Marshall Applegate not being able to say oops, that was dumb.-
FOOD FOR THOUGHT

 

[BothWings]

Very simple: Because such a "discussion" (never heard really anyone discussing in the English speaking world) is anything else than "intellectual" and makes spiritually not any sense. God is with all of his children. And we all together are one in god.

Gott ist immer in uns, nur wir sind selten zuhause.
Meister Eckhart
God is always within us, only we are rarely at home.

While not particularly religious and also not Christian, I DO morally and spiritually agree with you.

 

[HaShev]

pssst -if you thought this was my graphic rendition of Jesus, then you perhaps already subconciously believe it's a possibility.

 

[daveman]

there was no Jesus,

You're allowed to be wrong.

we are trying to discuss the men and or women making up his accounts /image but nobody has been brave enough or knowledgable enough to disclose which figure of the bunch that would be the one they call THEIR christ.

Are you still pretending you want debate? You just want to hear your opinion coming out of other people's mouths.

How's that working out for you?

 

[daveman]

Your standard: "Jesus' words mean nothing. Stamping his feet and pouting & overturning (ransacking) the NECESSARY Temple trade tables is useless. But it's the best he can do as our idol god"


"YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THE MARK OF THE BEAST ON THEIR FOREHEADS"
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Satan's servants wear the clothes of the righteous.

Get thee behind me, Satan. I rebuke you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[daveman]

A Christian should not be silent and decide to NOT SAY ANYTHING when they see a fellow Christian attack a Jew in a blatant anti semitic way, or make racist stereotype comments about Black, Asians, or Latinos liken to a Muslim being Silent when a radical fellow Muslim goes all Jihadist, But they do, and only speak out to voice that same hate speech themselves, when someone uses their own text to make their frail human ego feel a booboo to their affiliation pride, so here's your blinkie, sit in the corner and have a time out.

What's your lifetime total on talking people out of their Christianity?

If you say anything but 0, you're lying.

 

[daveman]

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pssst -if you thought this was my graphic rendition of Jesus, then you perhaps already subconciously believe it's a possibility.

It's a woman in a bathrobe.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jesus is a man

 

[The Duke]

some day someone may find a writing by the person called
'jesus christ'-----be optimistic. According to the account in the
New Testiment, Jesus was literate. He seems to have been unemployed but a kind of leader figure in his time. Lots of
stuff is ascribed to him in a time when people DID LEAVE
WRITINGS and in a place in which at least something would have
been preserved-------keep looking

His father taught him how to be a carpenter.

 

[shimon]

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pssst -if you thought this was my graphic rendition of Jesus, then you perhaps already subconciously believe it's a possibility.

I think that is a good rendition after all he/ she is usually depicted with long flowing blond hair and blue eyes and if I remember correctly they were looking to change the look not to long ago to a more swarthy darker individual too obviously attract more followers given their numbers are tanking in Europe and North America esp places like the UK where a lot of the churches ironically have been changed over to pubs…

 

[shimon]

His father taught him how to be a carpenter.

Who was his daddy are you sure .. Be carefull here now who you claim…..

 

[shimon]

A rat bag fag Jew pushing fag shit

Shocking
Pfft

That is not very Christian of you are you turning the other cheek besides it shows the finer aspects of antisemitism… Here is an example in Star Trek they depicted a species known as the Feringi with big noses rat like features and ugly who were greedy and after wealth or money is that not how you just depicted Jewish people … By the way originally a “ Fag” was a cigarette people puffed on those not each other try to get your stories straight…