2aguy
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If you have studied history of the Civil War...you know that Grant was not popular among the Generals of the North.....they were unable to prosecute the war successfully, and were in fact losing the war to the democrats...Grant.........he was a drinker, he was slovenly and he did not fit in with the rest of the military leadership..........they despised him and conspired to get him removed as Commanding General....
But he knew how to fight and defeat democrats......
With the other thread comparing trump to various socialist dictators.....I wanted to point out that perhaps Trump is more like General Grant......
I actually thought about this because the radio host, law professor, Hugh Hewitt...one of the moderators of the CNN debates....often talks about the Civil War and Lincoln and Grant......that is why I thought that just maybe...as flawed as he is....Trump might be the new General Grant....
Mr. Lincoln's White House - Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)
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He was, as usual, worn out with the day's exacting duties, but he did not permit me to depart until the Grant matter had been gone over and many other things relating to the war that he wished to discuss.
I pressed upon him with all the earnestness I could command the immediate removal of Grant as an imperious necessity to sustain himself.
As was his custom, he said but little, only enough to make me continue the discussion until it was exhausted. He sat before the open fire in the old Cabinet room, most of the time with his feet up on the high marble mantel, and exhibited unusual distress at the complicated condition of military affairs. Nearly every day brought some new and perplexing military complication.
He had gone through a long winter of terrible strain with McClellan and the Army of the Potomac; and from the day that Grant started on his Southern expedition until the battle of Shiloh he had had little else than jarring and confusion among his generals in the West.
He knew that I had no ends to serve in urging Grant's removal, beyond the single desire to make him be just to himself, and he listened patiently.
"I appealed to Lincoln for his own sake to remove Grant at once, and, in giving my reasons for it, I simply voiced the admittedly overwhelming protest from the loyal people of the land against Grant's continuance in command.
I could form no judgment during the conversation as to what effect my arguments had upon him beyond the fact that he was greatly distressed at this new complication. When I had said everything that could be said from my standpoint, we lapsed into silence
Lincoln remained silent for what seemed a very long time. He then gathered himself up in his chair and said in a tone of earnestness that I shall never forget: 'I can't spare this man; he fights.'"10
But he knew how to fight and defeat democrats......
With the other thread comparing trump to various socialist dictators.....I wanted to point out that perhaps Trump is more like General Grant......
I actually thought about this because the radio host, law professor, Hugh Hewitt...one of the moderators of the CNN debates....often talks about the Civil War and Lincoln and Grant......that is why I thought that just maybe...as flawed as he is....Trump might be the new General Grant....
Mr. Lincoln's White House - Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)
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He was, as usual, worn out with the day's exacting duties, but he did not permit me to depart until the Grant matter had been gone over and many other things relating to the war that he wished to discuss.
I pressed upon him with all the earnestness I could command the immediate removal of Grant as an imperious necessity to sustain himself.
As was his custom, he said but little, only enough to make me continue the discussion until it was exhausted. He sat before the open fire in the old Cabinet room, most of the time with his feet up on the high marble mantel, and exhibited unusual distress at the complicated condition of military affairs. Nearly every day brought some new and perplexing military complication.
He had gone through a long winter of terrible strain with McClellan and the Army of the Potomac; and from the day that Grant started on his Southern expedition until the battle of Shiloh he had had little else than jarring and confusion among his generals in the West.
He knew that I had no ends to serve in urging Grant's removal, beyond the single desire to make him be just to himself, and he listened patiently.
"I appealed to Lincoln for his own sake to remove Grant at once, and, in giving my reasons for it, I simply voiced the admittedly overwhelming protest from the loyal people of the land against Grant's continuance in command.
I could form no judgment during the conversation as to what effect my arguments had upon him beyond the fact that he was greatly distressed at this new complication. When I had said everything that could be said from my standpoint, we lapsed into silence
Lincoln remained silent for what seemed a very long time. He then gathered himself up in his chair and said in a tone of earnestness that I shall never forget: 'I can't spare this man; he fights.'"10
