Oreshnik.... unstoppable missile?

[Litwin]

They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.

What comes to your mind when you think of Moscow empire ?

Genocidal 🇷🇺 🐖 🇸🇦 maniacs!!! Orc- stuff. Orc- houses. Orc- dictator. Orc- army. Orc- behavior. Orc- tourists. And some more orc- stuff. The Circassian Genocide: The Brutal Eradication of an Entire Nation

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[Litwin]

Russia can barely launch real missiles, let alone multiple decoys.

yes, S . Brin was 100% correct

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/24/europe/russia-sarmat-missile-test-failure-intl/index.html

Russia's second attempt to launch rocket from Far East aborted

National space agency Roscosmos said the launch attempt will be postponed for at least one day.

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[Litwin]

They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.

“The Moscow imperial economy will collapse in 2025” – analysts are frightened by a new chilling prophecy from The Economist magazine.

 

[justoffal]

Actually, they can and still are. However, as can be seen in the recent Oreshnik launch and their use of Kinzhal, they have been nowhere near as effective as they thought.

This is actually something the US realized decades ago, that conventional ballistic missiles were simply not as effective as many thought they would be. The last ones we actually deployed for battlefield use was the Pershing II way back in 1973. An MRBM, that in the event the balloon ever went up with the Warsaw Pact was primarily going to be used against our own assets. Specifically things like bridges, in order to slow down the attackers and deny their use as we pull out. It was not intended to actually use them against the attacking forces themselves, but to slow them down by destroying infrastructure. Then to destroy anything we have to leave behind as we withdraw, like fuel and ammo depots so they can not be used against us.

And the Pershing II never had a conventional warhead, but a small 5-80kt nuclear warhead. Both the Pershing I and II could carry a small conventional warhead, but they were never deployed with one.

Because the simple fact is, other than as weapons with nukes, ballistic missiles are simply not very effective. They are incredibly expensive in resources and technology, and carry relatively small conventional warheads (about 1 ton). In comparison, a single Su-34 fighter can carry from 13-15 tons of bombs (an actual Tu-160 bomber has a capacity just under 50 tons). So to replace the explosive delivery capability of a single fighter jet, one would need to launch over a dozen SRBM/MRBMs (or 49 to replace a single Tu-160).

This is something the US realized very early, so pretty much abandoned the very idea of conventionally armed ballistic missiles. They simply made no sense when it comes to resources expended to put explosives on a target.

Kinda like the ALBM. That was also something the US was playing around with in the 1950s, And actually deployed briefly in the very early 1960s, then abandoned because they realized ultimately it was a rather silly weapon system that had no real advantage.

However, Russia does not think the same way. And seem to have a thing for silly high-tech solutions to simple problems.

So they're almost better off if they had a large stock of thousands of old V2 rockets they would probably be just as effective.

 

[justoffal]

“The Moscow imperial economy will collapse in 2025” – analysts are frightened by a new chilling prophecy from The Economist magazine.

YAWWWWN..... The same people that predicted a Harris victory

 

[Litwin]

YAWWWWN..... The same people that predicted a Harris victory

a fair point, still, in the long run, Moscow imperialism has no chance

Real estate market is collapsing in Moscow 🇷🇺 empire . PRICES !

Blow up the🇷🇺🇸🇦 Railways... Make the stalenist Zombies walk from stalenist 🇰🇵North Korea. oops. Moscow empire's railways are collapsing of their own accord. :auiqs.jpg: :thup:

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[justoffal]

a fair point, still, in the long run, Moscow imperialism has no chance

Real estate market is collapsing in Moscow 🇷🇺 empire . PRICES !

Blow up the🇷🇺🇸🇦 Railways... Make the stalenist Zombies walk from stalenist 🇰🇵North Korea. oops. Moscow empire's railways are collapsing of their own accord. :auiqs.jpg: :thup:

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What you're saying is true in dollars....but not In BRICS if and when it gets a printed currency.

 

[Mushroom]

So they're almost better off if they had a large stock of thousands of old V2 rockets they would probably be just as effective.

Of course, we are really only seeing this because even over two years later, Russia can not gain air dominance over Ukraine.

Russia has lost over 100 fixed wing aircraft over Ukraine, and they have largely given up trying to operate inside of Ukraine because of the SAM threat. That is why the sorties flown have decreased significantly, and now almost never actually approach the border. They now are largely using glide bombs, released while still over Russian territory.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-guided-bombs-wreaking-havoc-ukraine-2024-09-25/

That allows them to drop ordinance, and stay far enough back that unless they are at high altitudes there are no real threats from SAM.

But in many ways, they are using them for the same reason that Germany did in WWII. Losing control of the skies over the UK (then France), they could no longer use aircraft to attack targets. So instead resorted to using weapons that did not require pilots, and was not expected to return after the mission. And I find it interesting that they are resorting more and more to ballistic missiles. Primarily because they still have so damned many in storage, and even though more resource intensive to build, they require less technological resources than cruise missiles.

Plus ballistic missiles are more guaranteed to reach their targets, as even cruise missiles can be shot down with even WWII era technology. However, it takes a much more sophisticated level of technology to take out a ballistic missile.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What you're saying is true in dollars....but not In BRICS if and when it gets a printed currency.

The BRICs are going to print a currency? When? Why?

 

[Moonglow]

Of course, we are really only seeing this because even over two years later, Russia can not gain air dominance over Ukraine.

Russia has lost over 100 fixed wing aircraft over Ukraine, and they have largely given up trying to operate inside of Ukraine because of the SAM threat. That is why the sorties flown have decreased significantly, and now almost never actually approach the border. They now are largely using glide bombs, released while still over Russian territory.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-guided-bombs-wreaking-havoc-ukraine-2024-09-25/

That allows them to drop ordinance, and stay far enough back that unless they are at high altitudes there are no real threats from SAM.

But in many ways, they are using them for the same reason that Germany did in WWII. Losing control of the skies over the UK (then France), they could no longer use aircraft to attack targets. So instead resorted to using weapons that did not require pilots, and was not expected to return after the mission. And I find it interesting that they are resorting more and more to ballistic missiles. Primarily because they still have so damned many in storage, and even though more resource intensive to build, they require less technological resources than cruise missiles.

Plus ballistic missiles are more guaranteed to reach their targets, as even cruise missiles can be shot down with even WWII era technology. However, it takes a much more sophisticated level of technology to take out a ballistic missile.

 

[Mushroom]

What you're saying is true in dollars....but not In BRICS if and when it gets a printed currency.

I doubt it will ever get that far. They only added 4 countries since 2010, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, and UAE.

And earlier this year, Argentina announced they are not joining. And right after that, Algeria also declined to join. And Brazil has been blocking membership for Venezuela for years.

And it's not like they even need a common currency, there is almost zero transit between the various nations, unlike the EU. However, there is a "theoretical currency" in BRICS, and that the R5. In short, a theoretical currency averaging the value of the Brazilian Real, Russian Ruble, Indian Rupee, Chinese Renminbi, and South African Rand. But it has not gotten the traction that had been hoped for, as at least the Ruble has been in free-fall for a couple of years now, and none of the others outside of Brazil, India and South Africa are particularly stable. So even the actual members of the organization are far more likely to use Dollars or Euros as they are simply more stable.

 

[Moonglow]

Bric users would face higher interest on loans.

 

[Mushroom]

Yes, and what does this have to do with what I had already stated?

That was an IRBM, and the intercept was with an SM missile. The SM is designed to intercept IRBMs and ICBMs.

 

[justoffal]

I doubt it will ever get that far. They only added 4 countries since 2010, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, and UAE.

And earlier this year, Argentina announced they are not joining. And right after that, Algeria also declined to join. And Brazil has been blocking membership for Venezuela for years.

And it's not like they even need a common currency, there is almost zero transit between the various nations, unlike the EU. However, there is a "theoretical currency" in BRICS, and that the R5. In short, a theoretical currency averaging the value of the Brazilian Real, Russian Ruble, Indian Rupee, Chinese Renminbi, and South African Rand. But it has not gotten the traction that had been hoped for, as at least the Ruble has been in free-fall for a couple of years now, and none of the others outside of Brazil, India and South Africa are particularly stable. So even the actual members of the organization are far more likely to use Dollars or Euros as they are simply more stable.

Nevertheless it represents roughly 2/3 of the available man hour input globally... That cannot be ignored. Having said that the only thing missing is purposeful and coordinated leadership free from corruption. If they ever do get it.... that's a big if ...it will be virtually unstoppable frankly.

 

[Mushroom]

Nevertheless it represents roughly 2/3 of the available man hour input globally... That cannot be ignored. Having said that the only thing missing is purposeful and coordinated leadership free from corruption. If they ever do get it.... that's a big if ...it will be virtually unstoppable frankly.

Not really, as the "man hour input" is largely meaningless. Just look at the exchange rate and standard of living between those national currencies and say the Euro.

To put it into perspective, the average annual income in India is less than the average monthly income in the US. It is rising, but is of absolutely no threat to the US, EU, or pretty much anybody else. Because in the end it is not how many hours can be worked, it is how those hours are valued in the local currency. And like in China, most of the industry in India is actually of a rather low technological sophistication. And like China, companies do not send work there because of quality or anything else, they do it because it's cheap.

 

[Litwin]

What you're saying is true in dollars....but not In BRICS if and when it gets a printed currency.

 

[justoffal]

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Sure that's what it looks like now. It looked that for the dollar too before Samuel Slater migrated to America to build an industrial empire. That empire is now located in the BRICS nations. Don't underestimate it.

 

[Litwin]

What you're saying is true in dollars....but not In BRICS if and when it gets a printed currency.

BRICs

Bric users would face higher interest on loans.

The global majority is rising.
BRICS is gonna end the petrodollar with this one.

Moscow empire agrees to accept payment in Pakistani Tangerines amid payment difficulties. Is this the BRICS that's supposed to destroy the Dollar?

The global majority is rising. BRICS is gonna end the petrodollar with this one. PS Is a chickpea worth MORE than a 🇷🇺 rouble? Is this the BRICS that's supposed to destroy the Dollar?

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It's not just the putin´s ruble, every single BRICS currency seems to be on a freefall. Replace the USD with BRICS currencies and America is finished

All Eastern Europeans are GULAG byproducts , thats why Hindus, Blacks, Paks, Moroccons etc. never play dirty games with us, anyone who takes so called BRICS seriously is A JOKE , LOSER, fucking 🤡clown “But BRICS is going to replace the USD with one their currencies and America loses its...

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[Litwin]

That empire is now located in the BRICS nations.

Indian soldiers thrash advancing commie- Chinese troops at LAC; Undated video surfaces after Tawang clash ​

BRICS, REGULAR UPDATES : COMMIE han China leaks new footage of previous border skirmishes with India at Pangong Tso Lake with sticks & stones.

SA? Sucks dick, irrelevant country, same with Mongol - Muscovite 🇸🇦 🐷 🇷🇺 horde . Brazil? Yeah maybe someday. India and China are too big and they basically hate each other so I don’t see how they’re supposed to form any sort of alliance. Cope harder spermovores BRICS, REGULAR UPDATES ...

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Zimbabwe wants to join BRICS. This is the way, with 4 other bankrupt countries in the club already.

BRICS = BRI = Debt trap. These nations deserve each other "pure bred brother with a fetish for illegal wars"..

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[justoffal]

Not really, as the "man hour input" is largely meaningless. Just look at the exchange rate and standard of living between those national currencies and say the Euro.

To put it into perspective, the average annual income in India is less than the average monthly income in the US. It is rising, but is of absolutely no threat to the US, EU, or pretty much anybody else. Because in the end it is not how many hours can be worked, it is how those hours are valued in the local currency. And like in China, most of the industry in India is actually of a rather low technological sophistication. And like China, companies do not send work there because of quality or anything else, they do it because it's cheap.

You just provided the reason why BRICS will rise.
Standard of living? Check out 1900 industrial America.... absolutely terrible....but it was that cheap, mistreated and underpaid industrial empire that built the nation into a powerhouse.

The exchange rate is exactly what will fuel a BRICS rise IMO..as for the past two centuries the west has basically ripped off it's trade partners by penalizing them through the dollar transactions.

Now if you're trying to say that an American man-hour is more valuable than say an Indian man hour
I'm not sure how you can do that.... standard of living is a parasitic draw on the production not a contributor...at least to a point.