Oreshnik.... unstoppable missile?

[justoffal]

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So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

Baloney.

 

[Manonthestreet]

It's called Aegis ashore and SM line of missiles. We are not defenseless..

 

[Crepitus]

Read this today on X....
Any military guys here have any comment on this?


So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

Janes says it's beyond the current capability of systems in Ukraine, not that it is "unstoppable". There is also no indication it was hypersonic.

Janes has no verifiable performance data on this new missile system, but if it is based on the RS-26 Rubezh, that would place it beyond the air-defence capabilities of systems currently in Ukrainian service. Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) exo-atmospheric interceptors were designed to engage IRBMs, but there are no indications as of 22 November that these would be offered for Ukrainian service

Janes is ever so slightly better informed than your average "X" poster.

Ukraine conflict: Russia fires 'experimental' missile for first time

An “experimental” intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) with a conventional warhead hit Dnipro, Ukraine, on 21 November, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters in a press conference.

www.janes.com

 

[justoffal]

Janes says it's beyond the current capability of systems in Ukraine, not that it is "unstoppable". There is also no indication it was hypersonic.

Janes has no verifiable performance data on this new missile system, but if it is based on the RS-26 Rubezh, that would place it beyond the air-defence capabilities of systems currently in Ukrainian service. Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) exo-atmospheric interceptors were designed to engage IRBMs, but there are no indications as of 22 November that these would be offered for Ukrainian service

Janes is ever so slightly better informed than your average "X" poster.

Ukraine conflict: Russia fires 'experimental' missile for first time

An “experimental” intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) with a conventional warhead hit Dnipro, Ukraine, on 21 November, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters in a press conference.

www.janes.com

So its a propaganda piece...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Read this today on X....
Any military guys here have any comment on this?


So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

The problem is you have to make these missiles, and that costs money. How many do Russia have? Can't be that many.

And Russia is playing a bluffing game, and if they get caught bluffing and it leads to war... literally Russia couldn't defend itself from the Ukraine and its little excursion in the Kursk region. What would happen if the EU or the US gets involved. Russia would be taken over in days because it doesn't have troops to spare anywhere.

 

[airplanemechanic]

We already hit it with Patriots.

 

[Mushroom]

So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia.

What do you mean by that? It is not hard to understand at all if you know missile systems.

It's a variant of the RS-25 (NATO SS-X-31) IRBM, itself a variant of the RS-24 (NATO SS-29). Itself an update of the RT-2PM2 (SS-27). Ultimately they all descend from the RT-2PM TOPOL (NATO SS-25). In other words, just one of a long series of variants of a road mobile ICBM from 1985.

It is nothing special, it is nothing magical. And almost everything that you said is almost completely nonsensical and laughable.

And this is just another IRBM, there is absolutely nothing special about this that is any different than similar missiles of four decades ago. Because the Soviets first started using IRBMs way back in 1962. The US also had an IRBM once, but were only in service from 1959-1963 before they were all retired.

And the only US made IRBM actually has a rather interesting history. It was the PGM-17A THOR missile. Over 225 were built, but only saw service with the Air Force from 1959-1963. But the advent of the SM-65 ATLAS ICBM followed shortly by the LGM-25C TITAN II ICBM rendered them obsolete.

However, Thor would live on for many more years. It became the foundation of the Delta series of rockets, which was commonly used until April 2024 when the last Delta was used to launch a satellite.

 

[MarathonMike]

We have existing systems that fly fast enough to intercept hypersonic missiles though we haven't proven it yet. The problem is if they are maneuvering and not just gliding straight, then probably not.

 

[Mushroom]

We already hit it with Patriots.

We have not hit the Oreshnik, it has only been used once.

You are thinking of the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal (NATO AS-24 KILLJOY) ALBM.

 

[Mushroom]

We have existing systems that fly fast enough to intercept hypersonic missiles though we haven't proven it yet. The problem is if they are maneuvering and not just gliding straight, then probably not.

Actually, interceptors do not have to be fast. Why people believe that, I have no idea. If you are going to shoot a car with a LASER aimed bullet, does it really matter if the car is going 10, 50, or 100 mph? Nope, because you are trying to intercept, knowing where it will be is simple math.

And contrary to what many believe, hypersonic missiles are less maneuverable than slower missiles. And are even easier to intercept than a missile traveling at a slower speed.

Think of it this way. Which aircraft is more maneuverable? An old WWI era biplane, a WWII era monowing like a Japanese A6M5, a Vietnam era F-4, or a modern F-22?

If the answer is anything other than listing them in that same order from most maneuverable to the least in the order I just listed, then that answer is wrong. Maneuverability is completely inverse of speed, because of this thing known as "physics". Try to maneuver a hypersonic vehicle as anything other than something traveling at hypersonic speed (long slow changes in course) and you are going to lose control of the craft, cause catastrophic failure in the control surfaces and/or body, or both.

 

[airplanemechanic]

We have not hit the Oreshnik, it has only been used once.

You are thinking of the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal (NATO AS-24 KILLJOY) ALBM.

Patriots routinely shoot down hypersonic missiles. Hypersonic missiles are all hype.

The Saturn 5 rocket, in 1967, could hit Mach 35 (although speeds were kept to around Mach 20, about 15600mph). These hypersonic missiles can only fly in a straight line, and only do about Mach 10. Patriots were designed to shoot down ICBM's and the Saturn 5 was already around during Patriots development. It was designed to shoot down high altitude Mach 20 ICBM.'s Of course Patriot can shoot these things down. They can't turn, just fly straight really fast and do that ONLY UP HIGH. That makes them VERY easy to intercept. Especially at lower altitudes because of the dense air. They all slow down due to drag. No projectile known to man today can do Mach 5 at sea level. It would melt. That high speed is only WAY up high. Reentry is just like the shuttle, slows WAY WAY down. Patriot can easily smoke 'em.

 

[Mushroom]

Patriots routinely shoot down hypersonic missiles.

And I am not saying it does not.

I was simply pointing out this was something different. And to be 100% honest, is not the kind of target that PATRIOT is intended to take out.

However, this is very much the kind of target that AEGIS Ashore and THAAD is designed to take out.

 

[airplanemechanic]

And I am not saying it does not.

I was simply pointing out this was something different. And to be 100% honest, is not the kind of target that PATRIOT is intended to take out.

However, this is very much the kind of target that AEGIS Ashore and THAAD is designed to take out.

Sure that's what it's designed to take out. These "hypersonic" ICBM's are very close to normal ICBM's. Well within Patriots capabilities.

 

[yidnar]

Read this today on X....
Any military guys here have any comment on this?


So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

what do you mean when you say it drops metal lightening out of the sky .. is that something different that a conventional warhead with explosives ?

 

[Mushroom]

Patriots were designed to shoot down ICBM's and the Saturn 5 was already around during Patriots development.

No, and no.

PATRIOT is not designed to shoot down ICBMs. In fact, it was actually designed to shoot down aircraft. The capability of shooting down ballistic missiles is something that was developed over a decade after it first entered service.

And there is no way in hell a PATRIOT could ever "intercept" a Saturn V. The missiles of PATRIOT travel at around Mach 3.5, plus they are designed to intercept inbound missiles.

The first stage of a Saturn V is roughly Mach 2.5 in about a minute, and accelerating. First rule of thumb in doing intercepts, you can only really hit a target coming at you, not traveling away from you.

Now PATRIOT is a medium to high altitude air defense system. That is targets that are higher than short range (MANPAD), but not as high as THAAD. And even THAAD has only a chance of hitting an ICBM, as it's upper range is right as such a missile would break into MIRV components. But if it is a single warhead, it has a decent change of an intercept.

Now the systems designed to hit ICBMs are at a completely different level than PATRIOT. That falls in the area of SM-3 (AEGIS ships and AEGIS ashore), and the GMD missiles like what are stationed in Alaska and California.

Not sure why you think PATRIOT is designed to shoot down ICBMs, it is not. It was designed to shoot down aircraft, and was later modified to hit SRBMs, MRBMs, and a decent chance at hitting an IRBM. But an ICBM? No, not really.

 

[Mushroom]

Sure that's what it's designed to take out. These "hypersonic" ICBM's are very close to normal ICBM's. Well within Patriots capabilities.

No, it was not designed to take out ICBMs. What in the hell gives you the idea that it was?

It was designed to take out aircraft. Period.

Oh, and here is a hint in case we have not interacted in the past. The image I have for my profile? Yes, that is me sitting on a mockup of the Fat Man atomic bomb. At the White Sands Missile Range. You see, PATRIOT missiles was actually my job for many years in the Army. And I spent far more time than I care to remember at White Sands as part of that job. But please, feel free to prove me wrong and show in any way that PATRIOT was designed to shoot down ICBMs. Because I can promise it was not. That did not come about until the 1990s, the weapon was designed in the 1960s, tested in the 1970s, and first deployed in the early 1980s. Even SRBM and MRBM capability did not come about for another decade.

And even that was only "barely", as they did not even have any missiles yet that could realistically damage one even if it could hit them.

Oh, and all ballistic missiles are "hypersonic". It has to do with them being ballistic missiles. When people are talking about "hypersonic", what they are actually trying to talk about are ALBMs, or Air Launched Ballistic Missiles like the Kinzhal. Once again, nothing new or special. The US played with that technology way back in the 1950s and 1960s, before abandoning it as really having no useful purpose. Kinda like the air launched ICBM. Kinda cool, but what would the use of such a weapon be?

 

[luiza]

The Lefty Mutants are simply unable to see that they are check Mated by their dear Russian friends .
This baby moves at 10 000 miles an hour and there is no defense.
With and without a nuclear warhead .

HOW FAST CAN THE ORESHNIK MISSILE HIT US BASES ACROSS THE WORLD?

How fast can the Oreshnik missile hit US bases across the world?

1. Middle East Distance and flight time from southern Russia:

US airbase in Kuwait: 2,100 km, 11 minutes;
US 5th Fleet Headquarters in Bahrain: 2,500 km, 12 minutes;
US Air Base in Qatar: 2,650 km, 13 minutes;
US Air Base in Djibouti: 4,100 km, 20 minutes.

2. Pacific and Alaska Distance and flight time from Kamchatka:

Air Base in Alaska: 2,400 km, 12 minutes;
US Air Force and Navy Base in Guam: 4,500 km, 22 minutes;
US Air Force and Navy Bases in Pearl Harbor: 5,100 km, 25 minutes.

3. Minuteman III missile silos Distance and flight time from Chukotka:

Minuteman III missile silos in Montana: 4,700 km, 23 minutes;
Minuteman III missile silos in Minot,
North Dakota: 4,900 km, 24 minutes.

As published by Zero Hedge , the thinking person's guide to real News.

 

[shockedcanadian]

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Any military guys here have any comment on this?


So far, almost nobody in the west fully comprehends the Oreshnik weapon system just demonstrated by Russia. Hat tip to Ted Postol, Scott Ritter and Brian Berletic, the only 3 people I've found so far who fully understand this. I've done the math on the kinetic energy of the submunitions (using estimates for mass), and I've studied up on what's publicly known about these weapons so far. My conclusion? NATO is done. The west has no idea what just hit them. Russia's Oreshnik weapon system is checkmate for NATO and the USA. All U.S. aircraft carriers can be destroyed in minutes. All U.S. military bases, all underground bunkers, all ICBM launch sites, naval shipyards, etc., can be destroyed with NON-NUCLEAR kinetic energy via the Oreshnik. There are no active treaties (that I'm aware of) prohibiting this weapon system, and it doesn't destroy surrounding infrastructure or masses of civilians. It is a devastating, unstoppable surgical strike weapon that basically drops metal lightning out of the sky like Thor's Hammer or the comets of God. Nobody has any defense against it, and the range of these weapons, once mounted on intercontinental boosters, is global. The west must now either back off or go nuclear. They will probably choose to go nuclear out of desperation, be warned. Russia has just changed the course of warfare and achieved global dominance. NOBODY in the western press even has a clue. They are too stupid, too woke or too arrogant to realize what just happened. This is like playing chess with Putin and thinkin you might be competitive, then suddenly Putin's queen unleashes a flamethrower across the chess board and roasts all your pieces, setting them on fire. You thought you were playing "chess" but Putin was playing a different game called "flamethrower." It's that big of a deal.

Aren't you glad the world spent trillions on the.climate crisis? THAT is the real.danger to the world.of course...

 

[Mushroom]

This baby moves at 10 000 miles an hour and there is no defense.

How fast can the Oreshnik missile hit US bases across the world?

There is nothing magical about that speed at all. And no, it is not going to be hitting "bases across the world". It's only an IRBM, with a range of under 3.500 miles (5.500 km). So listing all of those "bases around the world" is rather stupid, as most of those are well outside the range of an IRBM.

Oh, and it is not 10,000 miles an hour. Try around 7,600 miles per hour. Not that it matters, as it can still be intercepted.

Oh, and launching one of them at a US target is almost guaranteed to start a thermonuclear war. There is a damned good reason why over 30 years ago the US and USSR banned weapons like this. Do you think that if the US sees a ballistic missile of any kind targeting one of their bases that they are not going to respond as if it is a nuclear missile?