I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[Lakhota]

And are you so ******* stupid you think being regarded as a deserter and traitor is no big deal?

Well, you might have a point. Progressives will love him.

If someone is mentally ill, why would they give a shit one way or the other?

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

 

[Ibentoken]

He's either mentally ill or an airhead coward. Either way, he had no business being there.

I agree. He didn't.

But let's ask ourselves WHY he was there. Why was the army sending units full of misfits into a war zone?

Hmmm.

Okay. Maybe, you know, just maybe, it was because after fighting a war for 8 years, the kind of guys who should have been enlisted didn't want to be "the last man to die for a mistake".

If Bush had been serious about this war as anything other than a way to make Dick Cheney and his cronies rich, he would have instituted a draft and raised taxes on the wealthy and did all the things you so when you want to win a war. YOu know, like FDR did in WWI.

Instead, he let it drag on for 8 years, and by 2008, one out of five new enlistees in the Army were getting some kind of waiver on education, vocational background, ASVAB scores or even criminal records.

One deserter doesn't equal Bush making Cheney rich. Might sell a few books to stupid college kids, though. MSNBC for sure.

 

[daveman]

If someone is mentally ill, why would they give a shit one way or the other?

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

Horseshit.

 

[daveman]

He's either mentally ill or an airhead coward. Either way, he had no business being there.

I agree. He didn't.

But let's ask ourselves WHY he was there. Why was the army sending units full of misfits into a war zone?

Hmmm.

Okay. Maybe, you know, just maybe, it was because after fighting a war for 8 years, the kind of guys who should have been enlisted didn't want to be "the last man to die for a mistake".

If Bush had been serious about this war as anything other than a way to make Dick Cheney and his cronies rich, he would have instituted a draft and raised taxes on the wealthy and did all the things you so when you want to win a war. YOu know, like FDR did in WWI.

Instead, he let it drag on for 8 years, and by 2008, one out of five new enlistees in the Army were getting some kind of waiver on education, vocational background, ASVAB scores or even criminal records.

One deserter doesn't equal Bush making Cheney rich. Might sell a few books to stupid college kids, though. MSNBC for sure.

Joe will buy a few copies, and weep in rage over the injustice. He'll wear his Che T-shirt for comfort.

 

[Lakhota]

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

Horseshit.

Yep, that's what I call it.

 

[SAYIT]

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

Horseshit.

Yep, that's what I call it.

It's admirable that you have the integrity to honestly critique your own work here. Carry on.

 

[tinydancer]

What do our soldiers think about Bush lying to the entire world to start a war that the US designed to never end and torturing POWs like we're the Viet Cong?

Someone should ask them.

What the hell does that have to do with this thread you asshole?

Start your own if you want to ***** about Bush. Go freaking start your own douchebag. I'm getting sick to death of you guys trying to come in and break all the rules and try to derail threads.

Game on. You keep this shit up and I will be on you like an Alabama tick and report you every which way but loose.

 

[tinydancer]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

If he had mental problems, how did he get into the military?

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

So do we now do a mental examination of every deserter to see if mommy spanked him too hard?

Is this what we have come down to?

You let that dude out today then who walked away in Korea. Let him out right freaking now.

You know what. I think I'll send his lawyer some money then. If you are going to give Bowe a pass then you let this man out right freaking now.

I will fight for his right to get out of jail if you are going to give Bowe a pass.

 

[tinydancer]

If someone is mentally ill, why would they give a shit one way or the other?

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

He walked away. Its called AWOL.

That much we know. There is no if and or but about that. AWOL.

 

[daveman]

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

Horseshit.

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

 

[Lakhota]

Horseshit.

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I am defending him until he is fairly judged by all the mental, physical, and military evidence for and/or against him. He's a combat soldier, and I wish him well.

 

[tinydancer]

Horseshit.

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

I have to admit. They've bloody well blindsided me again. Just when I thought I've seen it all they are defending a deserter just to defend Obama letting go 5 top echelon Taliban leaders.

Not Mohammed 6 packs. No freaking Taliban leaders while we are at war with them.

Un freaking real.

 

[tinydancer]

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I am defending him until he is fairly judged by all the mental, physical, and military evidence for and/or against him. He's a combat soldier, and I wish him well.

Well I guess every deserter has mental health issues then don't they now?

 

[tinydancer]

So in Lakhota's world deserters aren't deserters. AWOL is not AWOL.

 

[daveman]

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I am defending him until he is fairly judged by all the mental, physical, and military evidence for and/or against him. He's a combat soldier, and I wish him well.

Do I need to look up your posts about George Zimmerman?

 

[daveman]

Yep, that's what I call it.

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

I have to admit. They've bloody well blindsided me again. Just when I thought I've seen it all they are defending a deserter just to defend Obama letting go 5 top echelon Taliban leaders.

Not Mohammed 6 packs. No freaking Taliban leaders while we are at war with them.

Un freaking real.

Obama could eat live babies on television and they'd defend him.

 

[Lakhota]

No, what you're doing is desperately trying to defend a deserter.

Not at all surprising, really.

Yes, I am defending him until he is fairly judged by all the mental, physical, and military evidence for and/or against him. He's a combat soldier, and I wish him well.

Do I need to look up your posts about George Zimmerman?

George Zimmerman? Was he a combat soldier?

 

[Freewill]

Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rendering your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...

His mental/physical examinations my end up mitigating his punishment but they do not change the facts of what he did. I am not positive of what he did but even if part of what is reported is true then he indeed is guilty of something.

 

[Lakhota]

Geezus H. Kryst, at least wait for the final mental/physical examinations/evaluations before rendering your G.I. Joe bullshit analysis. I also have serious doubts that you were there...

His mental/physical examinations my end up mitigating his punishment but they do not change the facts of what he did. I am not positive of what he did but even if part of what is reported is true then he indeed is guilty of something.

Possibly, but reportedly he was having psychological problems in the Coast Guard and quickly discharged before the Army took him.

 

[daveman]

Yes, I am defending him until he is fairly judged by all the mental, physical, and military evidence for and/or against him. He's a combat soldier, and I wish him well.

Do I need to look up your posts about George Zimmerman?

George Zimmerman? Was he a combat soldier?

No, just a guy presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. Should I look up your posts?