I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[Care4all]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

If he had mental problems, how did he get into the military?

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban? Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

BTW, what the hell is the military objective in Afghanistan?

Only a few people want to hang him for treason, but feel free to pretend your side is right.

 

[NLT]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

BTW, what the hell is the military objective in Afghanistan?

Doesn't matter if he had mental problems, he could have went to medical and said he was depressed or whatever and he would have gotten treatment. He walked away from his post and there is no excuse for that. He put fellow US servicemen is danger by his actions. He is a deserter. Period.

Yeah, no one is afraid of the stigma of going on record as having mental problems. I wonder why so many suicides...

I would rather have the stigma of having PTSD or mental problems, than have the stigma of being a deserter in a combat zone.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

If he had mental problems, how did he get into the military?

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

The Coast Guard has different standards than the military.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The war in Afghanistan is a bogus war because the CIA trained the Mujaheddin in guerrilla tactics learned from studying the Viet Cong. The plan was to create a Vietnam-style quagmire for the USSR to drain resources and morale as long as the occupation lasted.

Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979 and withdrew in defeat ten years later. The US is now 13 years in Afghanistan and no closer to victory than the Soviets were. Why? Because the CIA trained the Mujaheddin to fight a prolonged guerrilla war against a more powerful invading force.

The war was lost in 1979.

Afghanistan: Lessons from the Last War

And Iraq was invaded over lies.

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/IraqWarPart1-Timeline.pdf
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate
The Torture Archive

we have been bit on the ass by many people we thought would be our "friends" after helping them.....so now that we got that out of the way.....now were you one of the 10% who felt we should not have gone into Afghanistan?......what should we have done?.....shake our fists at them and say..."darn it you guys....stop it!".....

Terrorist-lovers like KNB would bend over and ask them pretty please to lube up first, but it's really it's okay if they don't.

KNB does a lot of talking.....

 

[daveman]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

BTW, what the hell is the military objective in Afghanistan?

Doesn't matter if he had mental problems, he could have went to medical and said he was depressed or whatever and he would have gotten treatment. He walked away from his post and there is no excuse for that. He put fellow US servicemen is danger by his actions. He is a deserter. Period.

Yeah, no one is afraid of the stigma of going on record as having mental problems. I wonder why so many suicides...

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

 

[Ibentoken]

He's either mentally ill or an airhead coward. Either way, he had no business being there.

 

[Lakhota]

Doesn't matter if he had mental problems, he could have went to medical and said he was depressed or whatever and he would have gotten treatment. He walked away from his post and there is no excuse for that. He put fellow US servicemen is danger by his actions. He is a deserter. Period.

Yeah, no one is afraid of the stigma of going on record as having mental problems. I wonder why so many suicides...

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

 

[Samson]

Yeah, no one is afraid of the stigma of going on record as having mental problems. I wonder why so many suicides...

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

The point is not that reporting mental health issues is less stigmatizing today than it was 10 years ago.

The point is that being stigmatized as a deserter is worse.

Are you connecting the dots, or should I slow down?

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

The point is not that reporting mental health issues is less stigmatizing today than it was 10 years ago.

The point is that being stigmatized as a deserter is worse.

Are you connecting the dots, or should I slow down?

First of all, sparky, I wasn't addressing you. Secondly, mental impairment does not facilitate rational thinking.

 

[JoeB131]

He's either mentally ill or an airhead coward. Either way, he had no business being there.

I agree. He didn't.

But let's ask ourselves WHY he was there. Why was the army sending units full of misfits into a war zone?

Hmmm.

Okay. Maybe, you know, just maybe, it was because after fighting a war for 8 years, the kind of guys who should have been enlisted didn't want to be "the last man to die for a mistake".

If Bush had been serious about this war as anything other than a way to make Dick Cheney and his cronies rich, he would have instituted a draft and raised taxes on the wealthy and did all the things you so when you want to win a war. YOu know, like FDR did in WWI.

Instead, he let it drag on for 8 years, and by 2008, one out of five new enlistees in the Army were getting some kind of waiver on education, vocational background, ASVAB scores or even criminal records.

 

[Samson]

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

The point is not that reporting mental health issues is less stigmatizing today than it was 10 years ago.

The point is that being stigmatized as a deserter is worse.

Are you connecting the dots, or should I slow down?

First of all, sparky, I wasn't addressing you. Secondly, mental impairment does not facilitate rational thinking.

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Good Example

 

[JoeB131]

What if Bergdahl has some real mental problems - before, during and after his capture by the Taliban?

Would you assholes still want to hang him for treason?

If he had mental problems, how did he get into the military?

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

To be fair, superiors are taught this. In fact, when I went through PLDC in 1989, they spent a entire day on how to recognize when a soldier was becoming suicidal and how to stage an intervention. And Bergdahl seemed to be showing a lot of the signs of a guy who was losing it.

The training should have worked, but it's clear the people didn't.

 

[Samson]

If he had mental problems, how did he get into the military?

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

To be fair, superiors are taught this. In fact, when I went through PLDC in 1989, they spent a entire day on how to recognize when a soldier was becoming suicidal and how to stage an intervention. And Bergdahl seemed to be showing a lot of the signs of a guy who was losing it.

The training should have worked, but it's clear the people didn't.

What are the signs of a guy who is about to desert?

 

[Lakhota]

Bowe Bergdahl discharged from Coast Guard prior to Army service - CBS News

Bergdahl's writings reveal a fragile young man - The Washington Post

Would you wingnuts like to execute a mentally ill soldier? Yeah, probably...

 

[daveman]

Yeah, no one is afraid of the stigma of going on record as having mental problems. I wonder why so many suicides...

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

And are you so ******* stupid you think being regarded as a deserter and traitor is no big deal?

Well, you might have a point. Progressives will love him.

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, because the stigma of being regarded as a deserter and traitor is a minor inconvenience.

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

And are you so ******* stupid you think being regarded as a deserter and traitor is no big deal?

Well, you might have a point. Progressives will love him.

If someone is mentally ill, why would they give a shit one way or the other?

 

[Ropey]

I have read, that he was released from the Coast guard for mental reasons, but when he enlisted in the Army, they took him in?

I haven't verified this yet, but that is what I have read on it...

plus we know he left the base 2 times before this...once his superiors reported it, the second time they didn't, is also what I read in the Military Investigation report, from a few years back...which notes this was a lack of leadership on his superiors, for not reporting the 2nd gone missing episode.

there is plenty of information out there that shows this kid, may not have been just right, upstairs...and honestly, superiors are probably not taught how to recognize this as something mental, and I serious doubt that his immediate superiors were aware of him being released from the coast guard due to mental instability- I doubt Bergdahl would have bragged about it.

So, there are two sides to every story, as usual, and I guess we all will see the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, somewhere down the road.

To be fair, superiors are taught this. In fact, when I went through PLDC in 1989, they spent a entire day on how to recognize when a soldier was becoming suicidal and how to stage an intervention. And Bergdahl seemed to be showing a lot of the signs of a guy who was losing it.

The training should have worked, but it's clear the people didn't.

What are the signs of a guy who is about to desert?

[ame=http://youtu.be/Q3-a4qWCtIg]Snagglepuss Exit Stage Left - YouTube[/ame]

When he's almost not there anymore.

 

[daveman]

Seriously, you aren't that ******* stupid - are you?

America's combat troops are no more willing today to seek help for mental health problems than they were a decade ago, a failure stoking record suicide rates.

Troops still wary of admitting mental health problems

And are you so ******* stupid you think being regarded as a deserter and traitor is no big deal?

Well, you might have a point. Progressives will love him.

If someone is mentally ill, why would they give a shit one way or the other?

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

 

[daveman]

To be fair, superiors are taught this. In fact, when I went through PLDC in 1989, they spent a entire day on how to recognize when a soldier was becoming suicidal and how to stage an intervention. And Bergdahl seemed to be showing a lot of the signs of a guy who was losing it.

The training should have worked, but it's clear the people didn't.

What are the signs of a guy who is about to desert?

[ame=http://youtu.be/Q3-a4qWCtIg]Snagglepuss Exit Stage Left - YouTube[/ame]

When he's almost not there anymore.

Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish, I wish he'd go away...