I was there: My perspective on bowe bergdahl

[JoeB131]

If I remember correctly, the Bush administration released a few hundred detainees during its years and got nothing back for it.

But now the scandal is that we released 5 in exchange for 1 POW who got disillusioned with the war at like the age of 22?

Considering how fucked up that war was, how many times we kept redeploying people (record amounts compared to any other war in US history) and that many people joined the military because they responded to the message that our people would go over there to "win hearts and minds", I can cut a young guy some slack for becoming a totally bi-polar mess at the thought that he was put in a bad situation without the proper training or discipline, was not ever put in situations with clear and winnable objectives.

If you totally mess up your conduct of the war from the top, you're going to see it reflected at the bottom with erratic wartime behavior. Pretty simple.

If you believe this is a Christian nation, than the right thing to do is to lend a kid some forgiveness, get him some help, and then see what his mental state is before you make ignorant accusations based on right-wing blogs.

Guy, they aren't about "Christian Forgiveness".

They are about being against anything Obama is for.

That should have been obvious when these "CHristians" put aside 150 years of Dogma and supported a Mormon Heretic because "OH MY GOD THERE'S A NEGRO IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!"

 

[SAYIT]

If I remember correctly, the Bush administration released a few hundred detainees during its years and got nothing back for it.

But now the scandal is that we released 5 in exchange for 1 POW who got disillusioned with the war at like the age of 22?

Considering how fucked up that war was, how many times we kept redeploying people (record amounts compared to any other war in US history) and that many people joined the military because they responded to the message that our people would go over there to "win hearts and minds", I can cut a young guy some slack for becoming a totally bi-polar mess at the thought that he was put in a bad situation without the proper training or discipline, was not ever put in situations with clear and winnable objectives.

If you totally mess up your conduct of the war from the top, you're going to see it reflected at the bottom with erratic wartime behavior. Pretty simple.

If you believe this is a Christian nation, than the right thing to do is to lend a kid some forgiveness, get him some help, and then see what his mental state is before you make ignorant accusations based on right-wing blogs.

Before we go all "Christian nation" on him shouldn't we at least give the guy the opportunity to admit his errors and ask for forgiveness?

 

[daveman]

George Zimmerman? Was he a combat soldier?

No, just a guy presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. Should I look up your posts?

You seem very immature trying to compare apples and oranges. Zimmerman should have been fried. Many would still like to fry him... Even some jurors have had remorse. **** Zimmerman!!!!!

It would have been easier for you to type "I'm a flaming hypocrite who mindlessly supports everything Obama does."

 

[daveman]

What's your rush to brand him a deserter?

No rush. Just stating the obvious.

What do you think is obvious?

That Bergdahl deserted.

What was your rush to brand Zimmerman a murderer?

 

[daveman]

^^^ Doesn't know his al Qaeda from his Taliban.

^^^ Can't help but be a dumbass.

President Obama Trades Al Qaeda-Linked Taliban Leaders For Release of American Soldier | JONATHAN TURLEY

The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.​

^^^ Thinks "dangerous" and "terrorist" are interchangeable.

Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.

 

[daveman]

If I thought you could comprehend I would paste the links again. But you're a retard.

Ahhh, the old "Why should I bother?" ploy. You know, the one you give me shit for using.

I guess it's different...somehow...it just is!!...when you do it, huh?

I'm sorry, did I not supply a link you asked for?

Or are you the USMB advocate for retards these days?

I don't know if you're playing dumb, or you really ARE dumb.

History says the latter.

Just admit you're a flaming hypocrite. It's not like anyone would be surprised.

 

[daveman]

George Zimmerman? Was he a combat soldier?

No, just a guy presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. Should I look up your posts?

Wouldn't it be more revealing to look up your posts?

So you're using someone else's behaviour in threads from a year ago to justify your behaviour today? Even though you mocked that behaviour back then?

Please continue.

Oh, so it's okay for YOU to do it, but not anyone else.

Got it.

 

[daveman]

Liberals are so stupid they still think Zimmerman was guilty, regardless of the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony.

They still believe BSNBC tapes were not deliberately doctored? Hell, they are so stupid that they still believe democrats did not propagate the existence of wmds in Iraq before Bush took office. They certainly are stupid enough to not understand what the paradigm shift was in this country's foreign policy post 911 in regards to terror sponsored nations and perceived threats abroad considering what we had seen 19 men did WITH OUT A GUN (damn the liberals wish they used guns purchased by legal means......damn they wish that.)

Then again we are talking about voters like KNB who is so ******* stupid that he voted for Obama the first time, then voted for him a second time and actually brags about it. No, there is no classification for the level of stupidity that is. At least there is no word in English to describe it.

It is funny though, and every day I am not disappointed. Each day I come on here to read ignorant blather from typical left wing pigs that is hypocritical. It makes me laugh disrespectfully at liberals thinking they are oh so smart.

Yeah, the reason I think that Zimmerman is guilty is because Trayvon is dead and Zimmerman shot him.

Pssst! Killing and murder are not synonymous.

You really are not very bright.

 

[Wildman]

I thought you were withholding judgement. Now you've got the guy Section 8.

I'm just trying to play your sick little game of prejudging him.

He walked away. Its called AWOL.

That much we know. There is no if and or but about that. AWOL.

also.., UA: Unauthorized Absence

 

[Care4all]

^^^ Can't help but be a dumbass.

President Obama Trades Al Qaeda-Linked Taliban Leaders For Release of American Soldier | JONATHAN TURLEY

The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.​

^^^ Thinks "dangerous" and "terrorist" are interchangeable.

Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.

Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

 

[Lakhota]

Zimmerman, after having a fight with his wife, stalked and murdered an unarmed teenager. I fail to see any comparison to Bowe Bergdahl, who sounds like a flower child that should never have been in a combat zone. His reported history speaks to that.

 

[Samson]

^^^ Thinks "dangerous" and "terrorist" are interchangeable.

Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.

Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve. Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.


One wonders what more surprises Obama may offer the American public before his term ends in 2017.

 

[Theowl32]

Zimmerman, after having a fight with his wife, stalked and murdered an unarmed teenager. I fail to see any comparison to Bowe Bergdahl.

That is not what the physical evidence or the eyewitness testimony suggests. Not that any of that matters to race baiting hypocrites.

In fact it was proven that msnbc doctored the 911 tapes.

Sorry if those facts get in the way of your version of the truth.

Liberals and their hypocritical double talk.

 

[Care4all]

Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.

Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve. Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.

Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

 

[Samson]

Tell me something Dave...If Bergdahl had not walked, away but was captured somehow, and this release between the Taliban and him HAPPENED, would you have agreed to it?

Is this about the 5 Taliban men?(who were going to be released regardless when we leave Afghanistan at year end and GITMO has to by law, be closed)

What exactly is your complaint?

Is it that you do not think the administration should have released the 5 Taliban men because you believe Bergdhal was a deserter and he should just rot in hell there?

Would you have accepted the exchange for him vs the 5 Taliban men if you thought he was captured for reasons other than walking away?


so to recap, if you believed Bergdahl was not a deserter, would you have been for the exchange with these Taliban men?

I would have accepted it had Obama followed instructions to inform the congressional subcommittee and had their approval to make the exchange. He did not. Why?

Because he knew they would not approve. Why?

Because they would need to answer to constituants.

Do you think most citizens reject this exchange, even if at a later date, Bergdahl was found to be a deserter?

I don't think so Samson....

MOST people understand that we do not leave a soldier behind, determined to be a deserter later or not.

and since the war in Afghanistan is suppose to be over come year end with our combat troop removal, those Taliban men and everyone in GITMO will be released, and gitmo will be closed....that's the rules of war....

so all of these 5 Tailiban were going to be released REGARDLESS of an exchange for this American soldier.

And, may I ask, why would it be ok to release these 5 taliban men if Bergdahl was NOT a potential deserter?

I understand the concern with Obama not going to congress on this, but that's NOT what I am asking....

I'm not certain the "rules of war" arguement holds much water against terrorists. They have not really exhibited much concern about the subject, and I'm not certain that "Most Americans" would agree that any "war" has ended.

But what "Most Americans" believe is immaterial: That's why we have a congress. They are supposed to represent US.

I understand why you may focus on the irrelevant: The relevant is a bit frightening. If Obama did not consult congress on something as relatively minor as this exchange, what may be his next move?

 

[Synthaholic]

If I remember correctly, the Bush administration released a few hundred detainees during its years and got nothing back for it.

But now the scandal is that we released 5 in exchange for 1 POW who got disillusioned with the war at like the age of 22?

Considering how fucked up that war was, how many times we kept redeploying people (record amounts compared to any other war in US history) and that many people joined the military because they responded to the message that our people would go over there to "win hearts and minds", I can cut a young guy some slack for becoming a totally bi-polar mess at the thought that he was put in a bad situation without the proper training or discipline, was not ever put in situations with clear and winnable objectives.

If you totally mess up your conduct of the war from the top, you're going to see it reflected at the bottom with erratic wartime behavior. Pretty simple.

If you believe this is a Christian nation, than the right thing to do is to lend a kid some forgiveness, get him some help, and then see what his mental state is before you make ignorant accusations based on right-wing blogs.

Guy, they aren't about "Christian Forgiveness".

They are about being against anything Obama is for.

That should have been obvious when these "Christians" put aside 150 years of Dogma and supported a Mormon Heretic because "OH MY GOD THERE'S A NEGRO IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!"

^^^ Deserves repeating

 

[Synthaholic]

No rush. Just stating the obvious.

What do you think is obvious?

That Bergdahl deserted.

What was your rush to brand Zimmerman a murderer?

There was never any doubt as to who shot Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman killed him whether it was justified or not.

 

[Synthaholic]

^^^ Can't help but be a dumbass.

President Obama Trades Al Qaeda-Linked Taliban Leaders For Release of American Soldier | JONATHAN TURLEY

The five men released are considered highly dangerous. Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa and Abdul Haq Wasiq are classified as a “high risk” to the United States. Two others, Mohammad Fazl and Mullah Norullah Mori, were present during the 2001 prison riot at Mazar-e Sharif when CIA paramilitary officer Johnny Micheal Spann was killed. Fazl is thought to be the Taliban “army chief of staff”) and a longtime al-Qaeda ally. Wasiq reportedly helped train al-Qaeda. Mullah Norullah Noori, a senior military commander also reportedly have ties with al-Qaeda. Khairullah Khairkhwa, a Taliban governor was also allegedly an al-Qaeda trainer. One is believed to be responsible for the deaths of scores of Shiites in acts of religious terror.​

^^^ Thinks "dangerous" and "terrorist" are interchangeable.

Really, Synthia? Are you such a mindless Obama ass-suck that you're claiming these 5 AREN'T terrorists?

Dear Reader fucked up. Hugely. But he's confident that lemmings such as yourself will support him no matter what he does.

That's correct. They are no more terrorists than a militia out of Michigan would be, who is defending America from a foreign invasion.

Why do you confuse them with al Qaeda? FOXNEWS clouding your thought process?

 

[Synthaholic]

Ahhh, the old "Why should I bother?" ploy. You know, the one you give me shit for using.

I guess it's different...somehow...it just is!!...when you do it, huh?

I'm sorry, did I not supply a link you asked for?

Or are you the USMB advocate for retards these days?

I don't know if you're playing dumb, or you really ARE dumb.

History says the latter.

Just admit you're a flaming hypocrite. It's not like anyone would be surprised.

Just for shits and giggles, maybe you should check out some of bedouin's posts before collecting your Rescued Maiden Sex from him.

Then scoot back here and let everyone know if you agree he's a retard or not.

Run along, now!

 

[Synthaholic]

No, just a guy presumed innocent until proven guilty. And he was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. Should I look up your posts?

Wouldn't it be more revealing to look up your posts?

So you're using someone else's behaviour in threads from a year ago to justify your behaviour today? Even though you mocked that behaviour back then?

Please continue.

Oh, so it's okay for YOU to do it, but not anyone else.

Got it.

Do what, dave?

Speak Engrish, please.