"I Learned My Name-Calling From Jesus."___Chris Christian

[JAG]

JAG Writes:

Other titles for this thread could be:
"Jesus And His Apostles Taught Me How To Use Ad Hominem
And Name-Calling"___Chris Christian

"The Lord Jesus And Many Biblical Hero's Taught Me How To
Use Name-Calling."__Chris Christian

I am very much interested in what the good folks here have
to say about this subject.

Let me announce up-front my position:
I disagree with Chris Christian. I do not practice name-calling {ad hominem} and
I do not believe that God wants me to practice it.

Introduction:
A fellow Christian, we will call him Chris Christian, recently told me
there was Biblical warrant for name-calling {ad hominem} in the Bible.
He said that the Lord Jesus and His Apostles and some of the Old
Testament's hero's used name-calling and therefore we have a Biblical
warrant to follow their example and do likewise. He said that we had
Biblical warrant for calling certain people "stupid" and "idiots" and "fools"
and "morons" because these names are mild compared to the name-calling
used by the Lord Jesus and other Biblical hero's. He said that we also
have Biblical warrant for calling certain people "snakes" and "vipers" and
"dogs" and "pigs" and "stupid" and "hypocrites." See below {1} - {6}.

Chris Christian presented some Bible verses that he claimed as support
for his position. {1} through {6} below:

{1} Mathew Chapter 23:
The Lord Jesus talking to His enemies:
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you
have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell
as you are. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside
but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything
unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people
as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and
wickedness.

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being
condemned to hell? ___The Lord Jesus in Matthew chapter 23

{2} Luke 3:7 and Matthew 3:7
"John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him,
"You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the
coming wrath?___John The Baptist

{3} " Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing
their own opinions."___Proverbs 18:2 NIV

{4}"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates
correction is stupid." ___Proverbs 12:1 NIV

{5} "Outside are the dogs."___The Apostle John Revelation 22:15 NIV
John calls some humans "dogs."

{6} "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.
If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear
you to pieces.___The Lord Jesus Matthew 7:6
The Lord Jesus says here that some humans are "dogs" and "pigs."

__________

Here is the definition of:
ad hominem - an attack directed against the person, rather
than against their argument or their position

Again I am very much interested in what the good folks here have
to say about the subject above.

JAG

``

 

[JAG]

JAG Writes:
Here are some Bible verses that might relate in some way to the Opening Post?
_____

"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit
should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be
tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law
of Christ."__Galatians 6:1-2

_______

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them
repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come
to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them
captive to do his will."__2 Timothy 2:25-26

__________

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has
no one than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends
if you do what I command. ___The Lord Jesus John 15:12-14

_________

"If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by
each other."___Galatians 5:15

___________

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ
God forgave you."___Ephesians 4:32

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate
and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

___________

"Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to
mutual edification."__Romans 14:19

___________

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
everyone."___Romans 12:18

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another,
be compassionate and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

________

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because
you know they produce quarrels."__2 Timothy 2:23

__________

"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God
against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who
listen."__2 Timothy 2:14

_________

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am
only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."__1 Corinthians 13:1

__________________

I put those Bible verses up-there just for handy reference.

JAG

``

 

[norwegen]

I like the way Isaiah taunts the king of Babylon in Chapter 14. The Day Star who sleeps with maggots and worms (vv 11 & 12).

 

[norwegen]

JAG Writes:
Here are some Bible verses that might relate in some way to the Opening Post?
_____

"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit
should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be
tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law
of Christ."__Galatians 6:1-2

_______

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them
repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come
to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them
captive to do his will."__2 Timothy 2:25-26

__________

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has
no one than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends
if you do what I command. ___The Lord Jesus John 15:12-14

_________

"If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by
each other."___Galatians 5:15

___________

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ
God forgave you."___Ephesians 4:32

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate
and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

___________

"Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to
mutual edification."__Romans 14:19

___________

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
everyone."___Romans 12:18

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another,
be compassionate and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

________

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because
you know they produce quarrels."__2 Timothy 2:23

__________

"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God
against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who
listen."__2 Timothy 2:14

_________

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am
only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."__1 Corinthians 13:1

__________________

I put those Bible verses up-there just for handy reference.

JAG

``

This counsel is directed at a different group of people than those in the OP. This counsel is directed at the brethren. The epithets in the OP are directed at people outside the kingdom.

 

[ding]

JAG Writes:
Here are some Bible verses that might relate in some way to the Opening Post?
_____

"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit
should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be
tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law
of Christ."__Galatians 6:1-2

_______

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them
repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come
to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them
captive to do his will."__2 Timothy 2:25-26

__________

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has
no one than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends
if you do what I command. ___The Lord Jesus John 15:12-14

_________

"If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by
each other."___Galatians 5:15

___________

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ
God forgave you."___Ephesians 4:32

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate
and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

___________

"Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to
mutual edification."__Romans 14:19

___________

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
everyone."___Romans 12:18

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another,
be compassionate and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

________

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because
you know they produce quarrels."__2 Timothy 2:23

__________

"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God
against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who
listen."__2 Timothy 2:14

_________

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am
only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."__1 Corinthians 13:1

__________________

I put those Bible verses up-there just for handy reference.

JAG

``

This counsel is directed at a different group of people than those in the OP. This counsel is directed at the brethren. The epithets in the OP are directed at people outside the kingdom.

Good observation. That's an important distinction.

 

[JAG]

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[JAG]

The takeaway point of this post is "There is no Biblical warrant
for ad hominem name calling."

Those "snakes" and "vipers" in points {1} and {2} in the OP were
cold blooded murderers.

In Matthew chapter 23 Jesus called them "snakes" and "vipers."

In Luke 3:7 and Matthew 3:7 John the Baptist called them a
"brood of vipers.

And they were, in fact, "snakes" and "vipers."

These were the same people that tried to kill the Lord Jesus and tried
to kill Lazarus as well because Lazarus, raised from the dead by Jesus,
was the living breathing evidence that the Lord Jesus was exactly who
He claimed to be.

The Plot To Murder The Lord Jesus
Start quote.
"Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen
what Jesus did, believed in him. But some of them went to the Pharisees
and told them what Jesus had done. Then the chief priests and the
Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.
“What are we accomplishing?” they asked. “Here is this man performing
many signs. If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him,
and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our
nation , , , , So from that day on they plotted to take his life."
See John 11:45-53
End quote

The Plot To Murder Lazarus
Start quote
"Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was
there and came, not only because of him but also to see
Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. So the chief
priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well, for on account
of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and
believing in him. John 12:9-11
End quote

First They Plotted Murder -- Then They Actually Did The Evil Deed.
These same people did in fact murder both the Lord Jesus
and John the Baptist. They crucified the innocent Lord Jesus
and they beheaded the innocent John the Baptist.

So?

So I don't think we are going to be debating or discussing issues
with cold blooded murderers like the Pharisees and Teachers Of
The Law mentioned in Matthew chapter 23.

So?

So my view is that we do NOT have a Biblical warrant in Matthew 23
or Luke 3:7 or Matthew 3:7 to call anyone a "snake" or "viper" or
any other ugly names during discussions or during argumentation or
any other time.

Then this point: The Lord Jesus knew hearts and minds. At least He knew the
hearts and minds of those murderous Pharisees and Teachers Of The Law in
Matthew chapter 23. I myself do NOT know the hearts and minds of
anyone --- not with certainty I don't. No humans can know with certainty what
is in the hearts and minds of other people.

My conclusion: It is best to stay away from ad hominem name calling. There
is no Biblical warrant for practicing ad hominem name calling.

By the way, I have observed ad hominem name calling being practiced in
threads on the Internet At Large, but I have never seen any good come from
it -- rather only bad things.

JAG

 

[JAG]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

 

[norwegen]

JAG Writes:
Here are some Bible verses that might relate in some way to the Opening Post?
_____

"Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit
should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be
tempted. Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law
of Christ."__Galatians 6:1-2

_______

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them
repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come
to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them
captive to do his will."__2 Timothy 2:25-26

__________

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has
no one than this: that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends
if you do what I command. ___The Lord Jesus John 15:12-14

_________

"If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by
each other."___Galatians 5:15

___________

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ
God forgave you."___Ephesians 4:32

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate
and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

___________

"Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to
mutual edification."__Romans 14:19

___________

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with
everyone."___Romans 12:18

_________

"Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another,
be compassionate and humble."__1 Peter 3:8

________

"Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because
you know they produce quarrels."__2 Timothy 2:23

__________

"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God
against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who
listen."__2 Timothy 2:14

_________

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am
only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."__1 Corinthians 13:1

__________________

I put those Bible verses up-there just for handy reference.

JAG

``

This counsel is directed at a different group of people than those in the OP. This counsel is directed at the brethren. The epithets in the OP are directed at people outside the kingdom.

Good observation. That's an important distinction.

In Jesus’ day, to a greater extent than today, people deemed their own cultures superior to other cultures, and Jews considered themselves superior even to the point of alienating themselves from their larger communities. Jews were a small minority of the Palestinian population and appeared to the pagans a rather quaint lot in their worship of one god exclusively (or their professions of worshiping that one god), not to mention in their practice of circumcision, their abstinence from eating perfectly good foods, their refusal to commit to a full week of work, and their unwillingness to participate in outside festivals and observances.

Not just to foreigners were these customs peculiar, either, as even some Jews began to question them once the Messiah had come with a new covenant; dietary restrictions, for example, came under fire by the author of Hebrews (13:9). Though it started to crumble, temple culture would not deign itself to the culture of the dogs and pigs outside until it finally and abruptly ended in the year 70.

 

[norwegen]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem, per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and the family of God.

 

[JAG]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem, per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and the family of God.

"The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners
out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom
they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would
murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus
didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for
their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even
before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem,
per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates
to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and
the family of God."___Norwegen

___________

Norwegen,
I do not disagree with most of what you have pointed out so far in the
thread.

This below will better explain my purpose for my Opening Post
and my follow up posts:

JAG Writes:
There is Real World.
There is Thread World.
My Opening Post and follow up posts apply mostly to Thread World.

Most Forums have Terms Of Service {Rules} and the TOS in most
Forums prohibits ad hominem especially sustained severe ad hominem.
and Posters agree to abide by the TOS when they register --and so they
ought to do what they have agreed to do.

So?

So my Opening Post and follow-up posts make the point that I do not
agree with "Chris Christian" --- and that my OP's {1} through {6} is
not moral justification for using ad hominem as in calling people for
example "dogs" and "pigs" and "snakes" and "vipers" and "stupid" or
a "child of Hell" or worse names --- here inside Thread World on the
Internet At Large.

My OP and follow-up posts do not necessarily apply to situations in
Real World --- that said, it is also true that in most Real World situations
calling people , , , ,
~ dogs
~ pigs
~ snakes
~ vipers
~ stupid
~ and worse names , , ,
, , , will not make things better, rather worse.

For example, if one wanted to stop The Mob in Portland
and other major cities, if he took a megaphone and begin
to address The Mob and called them dogs, pigs, snakes,
vipers, and any other ad hominem name calling that
came to mind --- my view is that The Mob would only become
more enraged and more irrational and would intensify their
already-high levels of hatred.

__________


So?

So my view is that Thread World on the Internet At Large is not the place
to use ad hominem name calling -- one-on-one-eyeball-to-eyeball
ad hominem name calling is not an effective weapon to wage
successful Military War or Political War, anyway. So its a waste of
time and effort and should be avoided.


________


But my Opening Post and follow up posts are not calls for pacifism.
i do not have a pacifist bone in my body.

I have nothing against morally justified Military War and Political War.
Political War has raged in American Politics as long as America has existed.
Political War and Military War has always raged worldwide and history-wide.

I have nothing against the Principle Of War ---which is Military Force
and Political Force. America won WW 2 with both Military Force
and Political Force. Good.

One of my favorite people is one of America's WW 2 hero's General George Patton.
"The fixed determination to acquire the Warrior Soul, and once having acquired it,
to conquer or perish with honor, is the secret to victory."__George Patton

One of my favorite sayings is "Only the dead have seen an end to War."__Plato

Another is "Its a War of all against all.""__Thomas Hobbs

And "Politics is War by another name."___Karl von Clausewitz

So?

So I have nothing against morally justified Political War and Military War,
but calling your military enemies and your political enemies ugly names
is not an effective method to wage either one.

JAG


``

 

[JAG]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem, per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and the family of God.

"ad hominem"___Norwegen

Speaking about "ad hominem" , , , do you have a comment
on the following?

JAG Writes:
I don't know much about the "Dark Internet" but
I have read there are websites that are so bad that
the FBI reads the threads. I stay far away from that
kind of stuff.

However 12 - 15 years ago I was on a Forum, for a short while,
that was 100% automated and had no moderation whatsoever.
And it had a lot of traffic too. There was no registration either,
all you needed was an email address and a password and
you could post.

There was a bad language software guard, but they all
figured out other ways to post their "gutter language"
using stuff like @ $ # **, and there was no software
guard that could prevent the violent stuff --- and there
were death threats and "thread enemies" tried to
"find each other" in Real World.

Some even arranged to meet to fight with weapons
because of the hatred generated over political debates
that ended up in sustained severe ad hominem over
a long period of time.

JAG


``

 

[norwegen]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem, per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and the family of God.

"ad hominem"___Norwegen

Speaking about "ad hominem" , , , do you have a comment
on the following?

JAG Writes:
I don't know much about the "Dark Internet" but
I have read there are websites that are so bad that
the FBI reads the threads. I stay far away from that
kind of stuff.

However 12 - 15 years ago I was on a Forum, for a short while,
that was 100% automated and had no moderation whatsoever.
And it had a lot of traffic too. There was no registration either,
all you needed was an email address and a password and
you could post.

There was a bad language software guard, but they all
figured out other ways to post their "gutter language"
using stuff like @ $ # **, and there was no software
guard that could prevent the violent stuff --- and there
were death threats and "thread enemies" tried to
"find each other" in Real World.

Some even arranged to meet to fight with weapons
because of the hatred generated over political debates
that ended up in sustained severe ad hominem over
a long period of time.

JAG


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No, I don't have a comment, really.

Some people just like the adrenaline rush.

 

[JAG]

We don't get to speak to Pharisees anymore.
And even if we found some modern day "same as the Pharisees" types
we don't have the authority that the Lord Jesus had -- "the Word was God"
John 1:1 Jesus knew the hearts of men. We don't.

Then here is a point worth making:
There is not a single Bible verse anywhere that COMMANDS us
to call anybody a name. So if we don't ever do it, we are NOT
being disobedient to any Bible command.

Also this:
If I am talking to an atheist, it is true that the Bible says "the fool has said
in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1 --- but I don't have to call him
a fool. I can instead say to him, God says in the Bible that a man is a fool
if he says there is no God, and moreover God loves you and so does
the Lord Jesus and They both want you to become a Christian.

JAG

The despicable weren’t just the Pharisees; they were also the foreigners out in Gentile Land, especially the larger-than-life oppressors whom they habitually accused of corrupting their monotheistic way of life.

If sin is forgivable, then isn’t murder forgivable? Why, then, would murder merit name-calling, and not other sin? To my mind, Jesus didn’t condemn the Pharisees for murder; he condemned them for their generations of corruption and hypocrisy (that began even before the Pharisees existed). They were not a part of the fold.

The Bible is full of name-calling, and I agree, it’s not ad-hominem, per se; it generally seems to ring with truth, especially as it relates to culture and community, or more specifically to the heathen and the family of God.

"ad hominem"___Norwegen

Keeping in mind that the OP and my follow up posts
apply mostly to Thread World on the Internet At Large,
do you nave any comments on this below?

JAG Writes

Did You Ever Give Any Thought To This , , ,

Its worth noting that the Internet At Large is of course,
worldwide, and there is a percentage of posters that are
clinically insane. Then there is also a percentage of posters
that are now active criminals. The law of averages would
make this a certainty --- the web says there are 4.7 billion
people that have access to the Internet ---so there is a
percentage that are literally clinically insane dangerous
as well as a percentage that are now active criminals dangerous.

Betcha out of that 4.7 billion that has access to the Internet, there
is a least 2 or 3 practicing Cannibals on Forums. Maybe got a
picture of Jeffery Dahmer tacked to their PC monitor?

I wonder how many in The Mob in the streets in Portland
are actually literally clinically insane dangerous?

We know for a fact that many of them , , , at least many
of them , , , are NOW active criminals dangerous , , , and
it is a safe bet that most of them post somewhere in threads
on Social Media on the Internet At large. For example, based
upon what I read, Facebook and Twitter are saturated with
hate and ad hominem continuously.

/its a crazy world out there . . . lol . . .

Best.

JAG