Zone1 What Is Christian Nationalism?

[Libby von H]

The secular governing institution known as the United States of America was established four decades prior to John Quincy Adams birth.

Yes, by HIS FATHER

 

[Libby von H]

Gotta bring in the LOGIC and SEMANTICS facts here

1) To be christian and nationalist CANNOT automatically add up to CN
That would mean the only real nationalist must be an atheist
2)Just because you support X and are a Christian CANNOT automatically mean you support it BECAUSE you are Christian
3) The main impetus to this movement that you malign was an Orthodox Jew !!!!
4) By some of your characterizations, the Founders would be CN
. In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, "a necessary spring of popular government," while Adams claimed that statesmen "may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand."
There's the Nation and there's Christianity or at the very least BIBLE religion
5) The Founding owes much to Roman and Greek thought but its base is JEWISH
The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.

John Adams

 

[NotfooledbyW]

5) The Founding owes much to Roman and Greek thought but its base is JEWISH

Fortunately, our founding fathers established what we now know as freedom of religion to be freedom of conscience; they did not believe the God of Abraham was the universal God that they believed in.

So your point is not to be taken, Saint Libbyvonh let alone not well taken.

 

[Libby von H]

Fortunately, our founding fathers established what we now know as freedom of religion to be freedom of conscience; they did not believe the God of Abraham was the universal God that they believed in.

So your point is not to be taken, Saint Libbyvonh let alone not well taken.

NOt only are your wrong you are wrong in 3 ways

1)They thought the Creator of ALL , absolutely ALL, was knowable by reason.
2) Freedom of Conscience was established because that is what Christian belief demands. you can see this clearly in

Liberty in the Things of God: The Christian Origins of Religious Freedom 2019​

by Robert Louis Wilken
"Chronicling the history of the struggle for religious freedom from the early Christian movement through the seventeenth century, Robert Louis Wilken shows that the origins of religious freedom and liberty of conscience are religious, not political, in origin. They took form before the Enlightenment through the labors of men and women of faith who believed there could be no justice in society without liberty in the things of God. This provocative book, drawing on writings from the early Church as well as the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, reminds us of how “the meditations of the past were fitted to affairs of a later day.”"

ANd what makes you just a whiney teenager is the unsophisticated claim That they believe there was a Creator who was different from the Christian God. DO some research,man Even an atheist would see this

 

[surada]

Yeah... sure lol

Do you remember?

 

[surada]

Do you feel the same way about Israel? They are Jewish Nationalists. Are they not treating non-Jews as “second class citizens”? It’s a nation defined by its religion first and foremost.

Most Middle Eastern countries are “Islamic countries”, whose laws are dictated by the Quran and Sharia Law. Are Islamists “scary” as well? They treat non-Muslims as second class citizens. Are these people good or bad?

Yeah. Nationalism is always racist... Whether its Jewish, Black, Christian or German.

Jizya is a tax paid by able-bodied men who don't want to defend their country.

 

[surada]

What is Christian nationalism?

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square. The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalists who believe American identity is inextricable from Christianity.

What is the problem with nationalism?

Humanity is not easily divisible into mutually distinct cultural units. Cultures overlap and their borders are fuzzy. Since cultural units are fuzzy, they make a poor fit as the foundation for political order. Cultural identities are fluid and hard to draw boundaries around, but political boundaries are hard and semipermanent. Attempting to found political legitimacy on cultural likeness means political order will constantly be in danger of being felt as illegitimate by some group or other. Cultural pluralism is essentially inevitable in every nation.

Is that really a problem, or just an abstract worry?

It is a serious problem. When nationalists go about constructing their nation, they have to define who is, and who is not, part of the nation. But there are always dissidents and minorities who do not or cannot conform to the nationalists’ preferred cultural template. In the absence of moral authority, nationalists can only establish themselves by force. Scholars are almost unanimous that nationalist governments tend to become authoritarian and oppressive in practice. For example, in past generations, to the extent that the United States had a quasi-established official religion of Protestantism, it did not respect true religious freedom. Worse, the United States and many individual states used Christianity as a prop to support slavery and segregation.

What do Christian nationalists want that is different from normal Christian engagement in politics?

Christian nationalists want to define America as a Christian nation and they want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country. Some have advocated for an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage, others to reinstitute prayer in public schools. Some work to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula, including that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth. Others advocate for immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture. Some want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.

Some—again, like the scholar Samuel Huntington—have argued that the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy. And sometimes Christian nationalism is most evident not in its political agenda, but in the sort of attitude with which it is held: an unstated presumption that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture, that Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.

How is this dangerous for America?

Christian nationalism tends to treat other Americans as second-class citizens. If it were fully implemented, it would not respect the full religious liberty of all Americans. Empowering the state through “morals legislation” to regulate conduct always carries the risk of overreaching, setting a bad precedent, and creating governing powers that could be used later be used against Christians. Additionally, Christian nationalism is an ideology held overwhelmingly by white Americans, and it thus tends to exacerbate racial and ethnic cleavages. In recent years, the movement has grown increasingly characterized by fear and by a belief that Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity, an argument that played into the January 6 riot.

How is Christian nationalism dangerous to the church?

Christian nationalism takes the name of Christ for a worldly political agenda, proclaiming that its program is the political program for every true believer. That is wrong in principle, no matter what the agenda is, because only the church is authorized to proclaim the name of Jesus and carry his standard into the world. It is even worse with a political movement that champions some causes that are unjust, which is the case with Christian nationalism and its attendant illiberalism. In that case, Christian nationalism is calling evil good and good evil; it is taking the name of Christ as a fig leaf to cover its political program, treating the message of Jesus as a tool of political propaganda and the church as the handmaiden and cheerleader of the state.

More at the link below...

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

Sounds scary to me! What do you think?

 

[BackAgain]

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

A silly dog whistle to alarm lunkheads like Dorkhota.

 

[surada]

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

A silly dog whistle to alarm lunkheads like Dorkhota.

It's no different than Black Nationalism or Jewish Nationalism..... or German Nationalism.

 

[BackAgain]

It's no different than Black Nationalism or Jewish Nationalism..... or German Nationalism.

If you say so ….

 

[surada]

If you say so ….

This is what it looks like.

 

[BackAgain]

This is what it looks like.

The general level ^ of libturd incoherence is alarmingly bad today.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It's no different than Black Nationalism or Jewish Nationalism..... or German Nationalism.

Blacks. Jews and Germans have never laid claim that America was founded as a black nation or a Jewish nation or a German nation.

Blacks, Jews, and Germans have never claimed that America was founded in a Covenant with the God of Abraham, and therefore must be governed based on Judeo Christian biblical values and superstitions.

 

[LibertyKid]

Do you remember?

Yes, I do remember. Any contriteness was due to getting caught in the act. The man was a know womanizer. Yet, he's a political hero for the left.

My point is that the atrocities that one side points out and blames on the other side, there is always fingers point right back.

The political absurdity and hypocrisy is vile in this country and this forum is the microcosm of US political ignorance.

 

[surada]

Blacks. Jews and Germans have never laid claim that America was founded as a black nation or a Jewish nation or a German nation.

Blacks, Jews, and Germans have never claimed that America was founded in a Covenant with the God of Abraham, and therefore must be governed based on Judeo Christian biblical values and superstitions.

That's true. Let me find the definition for nationalism.

 

[surada]

What Is Christian Nationalism?​

I know it's antithetical to everything I know about America/USA

Christian nationalism | Definition, History, United States, & Facts

Christian nationalism, ideology that seeks to create or maintain a legal fusion of Christian religion with a nation’s character. Advocates of Christian nationalism consider their view of Christianity to be an integral part of their country’s identity and want the government to promote—or even

www.britannica.com

 

[NotfooledbyW]

That's true. Let me find the definition for nationalism.

White Christian American nationalism is a unique phenomenon that equates the creation of the American nation with the way the God of Abraham chooses a people to fulfill HIS ALMIGHTY WILL upon HIS CREATION.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

It is perverse to think one's people are privileged over other people as meant to be in the eyes of God the Creator of all.