Zone1 the 2 fallacies in saying : All Scripture is inspired by God not sinful men

[The Irish Ram]

Example: Did the story of Jonah actually happen? Or is it a teaching allegory?

If it was allegory then what Jesus did for three days in the earth would have been allegory too. But it wasn't. The fact that Jesus gave the account credence is the tipping point. And if you realize that the Leviathan in the account actually was large enough to accommodate a human and breathed enough oxygen to support a human then the story can be taken literally.

The same applies to a camel fitting through the eye of a needle. It can.

 

[surada]

If it was allegory then what Jesus did for three days in the earth would have been allegory too. But it wasn't. The fact that Jesus gave the account credence is the tipping point. And if you realize that the Leviathan in the account actually was large enough to accommodate a human and breathed enough oxygen to support a human then the story can be taken literally.

The same applies to a camel fitting through the eye of a needle. It can.

You know there's a needle gate in Jerusalem. After dark the camels had to be unloaded to get through the smaller gate into the city. Bandit territory, you know.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes. I've heard it said that the New Testament is hidden in the Old Testament--and the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.

that happens to be a sad commentary for the life and times of jesus and those others that gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination than a religion of servitude and denial.

- certainly they wrote the 4th century christian bible with the objective to mesh the two false religions together into a common goal ... when in fact jesus taught the opposite, the repudiation of judaism.

 

[BreezeWood]

And if you realize that the Leviathan in the account actually was large enough to accommodate a human and breathed enough oxygen to support a human then the story can be taken literally.

ram, what about the battery acid in the fishes stomach - oh, and the lungs do not go there either and they may be submerged for several hours - quite a hoot to hold their breath that long ... and for three days.

 

[alang1216]

Is that really what you believe the cause and effect was? I don't.

I only know what was written. Do you have another source?

 

[kjw47]

First of all, you must be saying that God can't use men to accomplish what He wants them to accomplish. Puny man bests the Omnipotent
Secondly, you act as if Sola Scriptura and Private Interpretation are the key, But however you take it, we (me and you)only accept this as Scripture BECAUSE the faith of the Church community said it was

You are that silly immature type that St Augustine often refers to

“If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.”

God inspired the words in- his- bible. Catholicism by satans will corrupted Gods bible. The New world translation fixed it.

 

[alang1216]

I guess you would never complain when liberal policies get enacted, e.g., abortion rights, gay rights, Trans rights, etc.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I guess you would never complain when liberal policies get enacted, e.g., abortion rights, gay rights, Trans rights, etc.

You got your wish and STILL you want to deny Christians the same rights you think you have

 

[alang1216]

You got your wish and STILL you want to deny Christians the same rights you think you have

They have the same rights I do, to live their lives as they wish with as little interference as possible.

 

[surada]

I only know what was written. Do you have another source?

The book of Jonah is a comic nouvella. You're supposed to consider the messages in the story...on many levels.

 

[surada]

You got your wish and STILL you want to deny Christians the same rights you think you have

What rights have you been denied?

 

[ding]

I only know what was written. Do you have another source?

Yes, it's called intelligence. So, let me ask you again... Is that what you believe the cause and effect was? I don't. So there must be a different interpretation. You stop looking after you confirm your bias. I continue looking for plausible explanations.

 

[alang1216]

What's your point? Seems like a normal process to me.

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not really write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them.

Approximately 800 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 800 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

So if you start from the belief that the first eleven chapters of the Torah are an allegorical account of world history before the great migration from Mesopotamia - which was an actual historical event - then the first eleven chapters of the Torah takes on new meaning. Seen in this light these accounts should be viewed less like fairy tales and more like how important information was passed down in ancient times. Just as the Chinese used well known history and everyday things as symbols in their written language to make words easier to remember, ancient man used stories to pass down historical events and important knowledge to future generations. Interspersed in these allegorical accounts of history are wisdoms that they deemed important enough to pass down and remember. Such as man knows right from wrong and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept of right and wrong he rationalizes he didn't do wrong. Most people don't even realize this wisdom is in the Torah because they read it critically instead of searching for the wisdom that ancient man knew and found important enough to include in his account of world history.

You have to keep in mind that these accounts are 6,000 years old and were passed down orally from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Surely ancient man believed these accounts were of the utmost importance otherwise they would not have been passed down for thousands of years before they were recorded in writing. You shouldn't view these accounts using the context of the modern world. Unfortunately, you are so far removed from these events that you have lost all original meaning. If you were to ask almost any Jew what the Tower of Babel was about he would have no clue that it was the allegorical account of the great migration from the cradle of civilization. That is not intended to be a criticism. It is intended to be an illustration of just how difficult a task it is to discover the original meaning from ancient accounts from 6,000 years ago. You read these texts like they were written yesterday looking for ways to discredit them and make ourselves feel superior rather than seeking the original meaning and wisdom. Shame on you.

Your history is rather fanciful but deserves better than the few words I have time for now. Stay tuned.

 

[alang1216]

Yes, it's called intelligence. So, let me ask you again... Is that what you believe the cause and effect was? I don't. So there must be a different interpretation. You stop looking after you confirm your bias. I continue looking for plausible explanations.

The cause was an epidemic, the effect was a mythological explanation that fit into the ancient Hebrew world view of a people, a god, and a covenant.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Jesus did. Why do you deny Jesus but say you're Christian

Because Jesus clearly had it wrong.

 

[surada]

Your history is rather fanciful but deserves better than the few words I have time for now. Stay tuned.

The first five books of the Bible were written 800 years after the death of Moses.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The first five books of the Bible were written 800 years after the death of Moses.

Which only stands to reason. They were very few literate people alive when moses was alive.

 

[surada]

Which only stands to reason. They were very few literate people alive when moses was alive.

By contrast the Sumerians had a written language by the time of Adam and Eve.

 

[BreezeWood]

By contrast the Sumerians had a written language by the time of Adam and Eve.

there could barley be anything less logical than your claim ...

 

[ding]

Your history is rather fanciful but deserves better than the few words I have time for now. Stay tuned.

It's just common sense. How else do you believe men passed down knowledge 6000 years ago if not through stories and oral traditions?