Zone1 Hosea 2:18

[TNHarley]

Ok, maybe it's just me (I got very little sleep last night)...but I'm still not sure why you see it that way. Why do you assume that Eve's disobedience has anything to do with the condition of the world at that time? We know that in the beginning all creation was given a plantbased diet, by reading Genesis 1:29-30. Also, at the end of Genesis 1, it clearly states that everything was "very good." That goes along with the character and nature of God... who is love, goodness, truth, justice, peace, beauty and order.

And also, unless you believe that God is fallible (which in and of itself doesn't make sense)...it makes no sense to assume that God would start things out in a messed up way. Why would God start off creating a bad world, when He can just as easily create a good world? Don't get me wrong. People who believe in Darwinian evolution will see it all very differently, of course. But all I'm saying is that from a biblical standpoint, in the beginning this world was completely different than the way it is today. This is a fallen world.

I understand that. I am saying if he created everything perfect, eve wouldnt have done what she did. If everything is perfect, nothing is imperfect.

 

[TNHarley]

You don't understand why God created your TEMPORARY human life.
He ALWAYS places CHOICES before you. to determine or build your character. There will be no Satan's in the Kingdom of God

I prefer knowledge and logic. If the whole world did, think of how much better this place would be.
You call him omniscient, you call him the creator. So I ask why he creates failure. Its perfectly reasonable to question that.

 

[Hafar1014]

I prefer knowledge and logic. If the whole world did, think of how much better this place would be.
You call him omniscient, you call him the creator. So I ask why he creates failure. Its perfectly reasonable to question that.

We live in a state of freedom we are not ants or bees. In freedom bad things will happen. We have to make them right. Its really about emotions not logic

 

[TNHarley]

We live in a state of freedom

I do. The religious dont.

 

[Hafar1014]

I do. The religious dont.

Depends on the religion

 

[TNHarley]

Depends on the religion

Yes true. The abrahamic religions, for sure.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes true. The abrahamic religions, for sure.

Judiasm is based on freedom and moral values God is not our controller as it is in Christianity

 

[Meriweather]

I prefer knowledge and logic. If the whole world did, think of how much better this place would be.
You call him omniscient, you call him the creator. So I ask why he creates failure. Its perfectly reasonable to question that.

What do you consider 'failure'?

 

[Meriweather]

Judiasm is based on freedom and moral values God is not our controller as it is in Christianity

Why do you consider obedience to God a fault?

 

[Hafar1014]

What do you consider 'failure'?

The Crusades the Spanish Inquisition Catholic priests sexually abusing children protected by the Vatican. Try those on for size

 

[Meriweather]

The Crusades the Spanish Inquisition Catholic priests sexually abusing children protected by the Vatican. Try those on for size

And none of that can be corrected? And none of the same situations have ever occurred outside of Catholicism?

 

[Hafar1014]

And none of that can be corrected? And none of the same situations have ever occurred outside of Catholicism?

They occurred because of Catholisism

 

[Meriweather]

They occurred because of Catholisism

You maintain none of the same occurred before Catholicism?

 

[TNHarley]

Judiasm is based on freedom and moral values God is not our controller as it is in Christianity

Yea, just do what you are told or have your children murdered. lol Real free

 

[Hafar1014]

Yea, just do what you are told or have your children murdered. lol Real free

Crazy rodent alert

 

[TNHarley]

What do you consider 'failure'?

Do you think god purposely creates people to disobey him? Do you think the fall of man was on purpose?

 

[TNHarley]

Crazy rodent alert
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Its your religion. Not mine

 

[Meriweather]

Do you think god purposely creates people to disobey him? Do you think the fall of man was on purpose?

Consider your own mind. Has it ever happened that your own mind commands you to do something...yet your mind does not obey? Have you ever set your will to do something, yet your will does not obey? Another meditation: Humans change, yet God does not. Which do you feel is the better quality?

Would you prefer to have been created perfect (in Hebrew this means complete), or would you prefer to first undergo the steps that lead to perfection/completeness? 'Adam' encompasses all of mankind; 'Eve' encompasses all mothers of mankind. 'Mankind' encompasses all of humanity. Look deeply. Would you have made the same choice as Adam and Eve, preferring first to learn and experience the steps that lead to our completeness/perfection? Or would you rather have awakened to only your completed, unchanging self?

 

[TNHarley]

Consider your own mind. Has it ever happened that your own mind commands you to do something...yet your mind does not obey? Have you ever set your will to do something, yet your will does not obey? Another meditation: Humans change, yet God does not. Which do you feel is the better quality?

Would you prefer to have been created perfect (in Hebrew this means complete), or would you prefer to first undergo the steps that lead to perfection/completeness? 'Adam' encompasses all of mankind; 'Eve' encompasses all mothers of mankind. 'Mankind' encompasses all of humanity. Look deeply. Would you have made the same choice as Adam and Eve, preferring first to learn and experience the steps that lead to our completeness/perfection? Or would you rather have awakened to only your completed, unchanging self?

ok, ignore my questions.

 

[Meriweather]

ok, ignore my questions.

At the moment, my answers to your questions went right over your head. But then, you didn't give yourself much time to think about them, either.