Zone1 Hosea 2:18

[TNHarley]

At the moment, my answers to your questions went right over your head. But then, you didn't give yourself much time to think about them, either.

I dont need your psychobabble. I was looking for answers.

 

[ding]

Do you think god purposely creates people to disobey him?

No. He purposely created existence to share in his existence. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. So God did not purposely create people to obey or disobey him.

Do you think the fall of man was on purpose?

It wasn't on purpose and it wasn't not on purpose. It has no bearing on God's creative act.

 

[TNHarley]

So God did not purposely create people to obey or disobey him.

He knew what they would be, so why create them in the first place?

It has no bearing on God's creative act.

Yes it does. It shows failure.

 

[ding]

I dont need your psychobabble. I was looking for answers.

By asking gaslighting answers. Gaslighters frequently ask questions designed as traps, where only the gaslighter's pre-determined answer is accepted.

God didn't create people to obey or disobey him. God didn't create people so that they would fail. Ask honest questions.

 

[Meriweather]

I dont need your psychobabble. I was looking for answers.

So was St. Augustine. Your questions reminded me of his journey and the questions that were racking him. Another of his 'psychobabble' is that sometimes we are not ready for the answers. Actually, he learned that from someone else who said this about him.

 

[ding]

He knew what they would be, so why create them in the first place?

God created all of creation to share in his existence. It's not just people.

Yes it does. It shows failure.

Only you could look at creation and call it a failure. I look at creation and am in awe of it.

 

[Meriweather]

I was looking for answers.

Could it be you have already decided on the answers? And have no will to change?

 

[TNHarley]

So was St. Augustine. Your questions reminded me of his journey and the questions that were racking him. Another of his 'psychobabble' is that sometimes we are not ready for the answers. Actually, he learned that from someone else who said this about him.

Ill chalk this up as more questions you cant answer.
Have a good one.

 

[TNHarley]

Could it be you have already decided on the answers? And have no will to change?

Give me a break. You cant answer them. Or too dishonest to answer.
But go ahead. Gaslight me instead. Its what you do.

 

[TNHarley]

God created all of creation to share in his existence. It's not just people.

Only you could look at creation and call it a failure. I look at creation and am in awe of it.

It was. The first woman he created was a complete failure. So we have the fall of man. He wanted everything to be perfect, and he couldnt accomplish it. So, he just prefers to kill all of his failed creations. Or have them burn for eternity.
Thats called failure. And a very low frustration tolerance. Which is another negative quality of him.

 

[Meriweather]

Ill chalk this up as more questions you cant answer.

At the moment, it is an answer you cannot understand. To me it seems you have already answered your own questions and you want people to agree with you. As you have noted before, when you are wanting a 'yes man' I am useless.

 

[TNHarley]

At the moment, it is an answer you cannot understand. To me it seems you have already answered your own questions and you want people to agree with you. As you have noted before, when you are wanting a 'yes man' I am useless.

You are trying to get me to rationalize that illogical horseshit. You didnt answer anything.
You call it an answer but it isnt. Its psychobabble because you are scared of answering it truthfully.

 

[ding]

It was. The first woman he created was a complete failure.

I disagree. She was a human being. Human beings are not perfect.

So we have the fall of man.

Yes. Do you suppose it was supposed to be another way?

He wanted everything to be perfect, and he couldnt accomplish it.

No. God wanted to all of creation to share in his existence.

So, he just prefers to kill all of his failed creations.

God does not destroy what he creates. The flesh is of no avail. It is your spirit which is eternal.

Or have them burn for eternity.

Or be eternally united with God. Don't you believe in accountability?

Thats called failure. And a very low frustration tolerance. Which is another negative quality of him.

That's called you confirming your bias.

 

[TNHarley]

Yes. Do you suppose it was supposed to be another way?

Obviously.

No. God wanted to all of creation to share in his existence.

indeed he did. He even thought it was at first. Try reading the bible.

God does not destroy what he creates.

So he doesnt create our physical bodies? lol

Or be eternally united with God

Or burn for eternity.

That's called you confirming your bias.

Thats a logical take from reading the bible. Im not going to make things up like you do.

 

[ding]

Obviously.

Why do you believe it was supposed to be another way?

indeed he did. He even thought it was at first. Try reading the bible.

I have. I don't reach the same conclusion you do. I'm more educated than you are. I don't read allegorical accounts literally.

So he doesnt create our physical bodies? lol

Correct. God created existence. Everything unfolded logically and sequentially according to the laws of nature which existed before space and time itself. It is way more of an impressive feat than your primitive understanding of how God creates.

Or burn for eternity.

Do you have a problem with accountability?

Thats a logical take from reading the bible. Im not going to make things up like you do.

No. That's not logical. You aren't educated enough to see your subjectivity.

 

[Quantrill]

It was. The first woman he created was a complete failure. So we have the fall of man. He wanted everything to be perfect, and he couldnt accomplish it. So, he just prefers to kill all of his failed creations. Or have them burn for eternity.
Thats called failure. And a very low frustration tolerance. Which is another negative quality of him.

How could the woman be a complete failure when the fall of man was the plan of God?

God didn't want everything 'perfect'. Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. But they were not 'righteous' as God.

God is accomplishing what he wants, in that those who are His, are now 'righteous', as righteous as He. Are now truly 'sons of God'.

Only those who are not His burn for eternity. That is not failure. They never were His in the first place. God loses nothing.

Oh He has a very high frustration tolerance. Longsuffering. Just listen to yourself, and you're still alive. He lets you badmouth Him. But of course that will not always be. There is always an end.

Even Satan, and demons do not bad mouth God. They know better. Only puny fallen man in all of creation, bad mouths God.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

Do you think god purposely creates people to disobey him? Do you think the fall of man was on purpose?

Yes absolutely
There is no fall of man. The teaching of morals to man was Gods intent. They were always supposed to eat the fruit. Thats why it was the fruit that contained knowledge of good and evil. Its supposed to be tempting otherwise it would be the bark. Genesis is the moral teaching of man and then the trial for mans freedom. God tested Adam to see if he would admit he disobeyed and he eventually did. Humans are created with free will we arent ants. Free will requires morals or its destructive.
This was all Gods plan and it cant be a sin to comply with gods will.
Original sin hell and a devil was created by Christians to use a threat to force obedience. Believe in Jesus or burn in hell.
Genesis says choose to believe in God and you are free to leave Eden(childhood) and create a civilization. Ill take the Jewish correct understanding

 

[TNHarley]

How could the woman be a complete failure when the fall of man was the plan of God?

God didn't want everything 'perfect'. Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. But they were not 'righteous' as God.

God is accomplishing what he wants, in that those who are His, are now 'righteous', as righteous as He. Are now truly 'sons of God'.

Only those who are not His burn for eternity. That is not failure. They never were His in the first place. God loses nothing.

Oh He has a very high frustration tolerance. Longsuffering. Just listen to yourself, and you're still alive. He lets you badmouth Him. But of course that will not always be. There is always an end.

Even Satan, and demons do not bad mouth God. They know better. Only puny fallen man in all of creation, bad mouths God.

Quantrill

What did god say at the end of the 6th day?

 

[TNHarley]

There is no fall of man. The teaching of morals to man was Gods intent. They were always supposed to eat the fruit. Thats why it was the fruit that contained knowledge of good and evil. Its supposed to be tempting otherwise it would be the bark. Genesis is the moral teaching of man and then the trial for mans freedom. God tested Adam to see if he would admit he disobeyed and he eventually did. Humans are created with free will we arent ants. Free will requires morals or its destructive.
This was all Gods plan and it cant be a sin to comply with gods will.
Original sin hell and a devil was created by Christians to use a threat to force obedience. Believe in Jesus or burn in hell.
Genesis says choose to believe in God and you are free to leave Eden(childhood) and create a civilization. Ill take the Jewish correct understanding

Something omniscient running "tests" is superfluous.

 

[Meriweather]

You are trying to get me to rationalize that illogical horseshit. You didnt answer anything.
You call it an answer but it isnt. Its psychobabble because you are scared of answering it truthfully.

More likely, I presented a truth that scares you. It seems to me it hit a nerve, whereas the intent was simple contemplation.