Anyone else think that a shrinking US population is a good thing?

[1srelluc]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot" as opposed to the currently estimated 349 million. What have we really gained by the 149 million increase? It's sure not quality of life.

We've been brainwashed to think that constant population growth is necessary for continued prosperity. It's not. Stability has virtue, but not for people who live their lives by spreadsheets and the politicians they buy.

This is a result, in my view, of a warped, corporatist mindset. Gotta keep growing, more more more. Quantity over quality.

In their minds leveling off or declining is “not a good thing”. More population, more GDP, at any cost. Who cares if the quality of life declines.

 

[braalian]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot"

I find that when people say stuff like this, what they’re really nostalgic for is their lost youth, not that whatever decade they were young in was actually any better than the current decade

We all do it and, coincidently enough, that “sweet spot” is invariably whatever decade in which we happened to be young

 

[task0778]

First of all, the US population is not shrinking, the growth is in decline but still increasing but at a lower rate. IMHO, there probably needs to be an equilibrium that keeps the population numbers fairly steady. I think the OP is right in that there has to be some point at which having more people is counter-productive to Q of L. Especially if unemployment becomes a problem, as many suggest is going to happen with the advent of AI and more automation and computerization.

 

[1srelluc]

I find that when people say stuff like this, what they’re really nostalgic for is their lost youth, not that whatever decade they were young in was actually any better than the current decade

We all do it and, coincidently enough, that “sweet spot” is invariably whatever decade in which we happened to be young

Nope, it's just that you could go down on the river during the work week and never see a soul all day.....Now there's people everywhere.

It does not seem to me that the excess population has a job.

 

[Correll]

I find that when people say stuff like this, what they’re really nostalgic for is their lost youth, not that whatever decade they were young in was actually any better than the current decade

We all do it and, coincidently enough, that “sweet spot” is invariably whatever decade in which we happened to be young

There is something to that,

BUT on the other hand, I've seen a lot of really changes that have NOT been for the better.

FOr one thing, we used to know how to NOT shit in the streets. How did we forget how to avoid doing that?

 

[Votto]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot" as opposed to the currently estimated 349 million. What have we really gained by the 149 million increase? It's sure not quality of life.

We've been brainwashed to think that constant population growth is necessary for continued prosperity. It's not. Stability has virtue, but not for people who live their lives by spreadsheets and the politicians they buy.

This is a result, in my view, of a warped, corporatist mindset. Gotta keep growing, more more more. Quantity over quality.

In their minds leveling off or declining is “not a good thing”. More population, more GDP, at any cost. Who cares if the quality of life declines.

Most people desire to have offspring. It's just natural is all.

But to counter that, the powers that be are preoccupied with decreasing the population levels, viewing them as counterproductive for global stability. As a result, they then promote behavior that is conducive with having less children within society.

That is why they will bend over backwards to help pay for that abortion, but that heart transplant you need, not so much.

It is also why the now preach the gender cult in US public schools, causing gender confusion to go up by some 4000% as they then allow children to mutilate their genitals so they can never have children, or promote other deviant sexual preferences that will not produce a child.

If you understand this about our current government, it makes a whole lot more sense as to why society is as sick as it is. mentally, sexually, and physically. They just want less people is all.

Is society happier?

No, just the opposite.

 

[DGS49]

Here as in Europe, the problem is that the people whom we would want to propagate are not doing so - largely as a result of the Feminist revolution - and the people we would least want to propagate are doing so, like rabbits. And we are importing Third-World wretches by the tens of millions, in the Democrats' plan to take over the Government permanently.

Fewer people is only a problem with respect to pensions and the social safety net. Politicians need people to pay taxes to support them.

 

[Votto]

Here as in Europe, the problem is that the people whom we would want to propagate are not doing so - largely as a result of the Feminist revolution - and the people we would least want to propagate are doing so, like rabbits. And we are importing Third-World wretches by the tens of millions, in the Democrats' plan to take over the Government permanently.

Fewer people is only a problem with respect to pensions and the social safety net. Politicians need people to pay taxes to support them.

Economically people are struggling more, which also causes them not to want to have children.

There is a point, however, to where people become so impoverished that they actually start having more children anyway.

Not sure where that point is, but we are getting there.

 

[Moonglow]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot" as opposed to the currently estimated 349 million. What have we really gained by the 149 million increase? It's sure not quality of life.

We've been brainwashed to think that constant population growth is necessary for continued prosperity. It's not. Stability has virtue, but not for people who live their lives by spreadsheets and the politicians they buy.

This is a result, in my view, of a warped, corporatist mindset. Gotta keep growing, more more more. Quantity over quality.

In their minds leveling off or declining is “not a good thing”. More population, more GDP, at any cost. Who cares if the quality of life declines.

I live better today than I did in 1970.

 

[Moonglow]

Here as in Europe, the problem is that the people whom we would want to propagate are not doing so - largely as a result of the Feminist revolution - and the people we would least want to propagate are doing so, like rabbits. And we are importing Third-World wretches by the tens of millions, in the Democrats' plan to take over the Government permanently.

Fewer people is only a problem with respect to pensions and the social safety net. Politicians need people to pay taxes to support them.

If immigrants didn't vote Republican, you might believe it, but so far we know yer full of shit.
In the 2022 U.S. House Elections, 39% of Hispanic voters backed Republican candidates and 60% backed Democratic candidates.

Hispanic and Latino conservatism in the United States​

 

[JohnDB]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot" as opposed to the currently estimated 349 million. What have we really gained by the 149 million increase? It's sure not quality of life.

We've been brainwashed to think that constant population growth is necessary for continued prosperity. It's not. Stability has virtue, but not for people who live their lives by spreadsheets and the politicians they buy.

This is a result, in my view, of a warped, corporatist mindset. Gotta keep growing, more more more. Quantity over quality.

In their minds leveling off or declining is “not a good thing”. More population, more GDP, at any cost. Who cares if the quality of life declines.

It's not brainwashing...
It's the economic model that has been related by a welfare state. We must grow to survive. It's not a choice. It's an imperative.

Also....
Young people do jobs old ones can't.
So....as a result we are going to have a complete societal breakdown in out future.

Our economy is already feeling the ripple effects from the lack of sufficient children for the past 60 years. Those "Help Wanted" signs at every restaurant, fast food stand, grocery store, and market is the clue. Even Starbucks is short-handed these days.

It's going to get worse. Not enough care givers at nursing centers, police, firemen, prisons, hospitals, food processing and military.

Vegas can't hire enough card dealers now....much less anyone else. (And they pay well).

Have you tried to hire a repairman lately?
Mechanic?
The few who are left tell you what you will do....you have zero power in your dealings with them. They are primadonnas.....and unashamedly so.

There are so few skilled trades left....it's pathetic. They make great wages these days. A journeyman electrician these days starts at $50/hr....that's just starts. Plus per-diem, plus doubletime for overtime, plus catered lunch.
The bennies are huge these days for qualified journeyman in the skilled trades.

You want an electrician to show up? That's gonna cost $300 just to tell you that you need an electrician to fix your problems...it's more $$$$$ after that.

That's what a baby shortage has done already.

Currently, if those women who want children do not have a minimum of 6-8 babies we will have a complete societal collapse. Because we only have 30% of women wanting kids.
(100 women need to birth a total of 210 babies just to keep the status quo....no matter how that happens)

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Democrat Party sees White Voters as their opposition

 

[JohnDB]

The Democrat Party sees White Voters as their opposition

There won't be any democrats next generation.

Democrats have the lowest fertility rate on the planet. If they do have a woman become pregnant they abort it.

The rest are homosexual or just sterile due to mutilating surgery.

A 50 year old transgenedered woman cannot successfully become pregnant even with a turkey baster..

 

[1srelluc]

It's not brainwashing...
It's the economic model that has been related by a welfare state. We must grow to survive. It's not a choice. It's an imperative.

Also....
Young people do jobs old ones can't.
So....as a result we are going to have a complete societal breakdown in out future.

Our economy is already feeling the ripple effects from the lack of sufficient children for the past 60 years. Those "Help Wanted" signs at every restaurant, fast food stand, grocery store, and market is the clue. Even Starbucks is short-handed these days.

It's going to get worse. Not enough care givers at nursing centers, police, firemen, prisons, hospitals, food processing and military.

Vegas can't hire enough card dealers now....much less anyone else. (And they pay well).

Have you tried to hire a repairman lately?
Mechanic?
The few who are left tell you what you will do....you have zero power in your dealings with them. They are primadonnas.....and unashamedly so.

There are so few skilled trades left....it's pathetic. They make great wages these days. A journeyman electrician these days starts at $50/hr....that's just starts. Plus per-diem, plus doubletime for overtime, plus catered lunch.
The bennies are huge these days for qualified journeyman in the skilled trades.

You want an electrician to show up? That's gonna cost $300 just to tell you that you need an electrician to fix your problems...it's more $$$$$ after that.

That's what a baby shortage has done already.

Currently, if those women who want children do not have a minimum of 6-8 babies we will have a complete societal collapse. Because we only have 30% of women wanting kids.
(100 women need to birth a total of 210 babies just to keep the status quo....no matter how that happens)

I don't know, I had my go-to plumbers come out and drain/flush my water heater and install two new elements. $300.00. True, $200 of it was labor but I was OK with it.

What I am finding these days in my AO is many of the old Mom & Pop Contractors have sold out to national chains. My HVAC guy sold out to a national chain.

The good thing is he will still do HVAC work for his old customers.....I just call him at home.

 

[1srelluc]

There won't be any democrats next generation.

Democrats have the lowest fertility rate on the planet. If they do have a woman become pregnant they abort it.

The rest are homosexual or just sterile due to mutilating surgery.

A 50 year old transgenedered woman cannot successfully become pregnant even with a turkey baster..

The Coming Democratic Baby Bust

Birth rates on the left fell in the last Trump presidency. That seems likely to happen again.

www.theatlantic.com

The Coming Democratic Baby Bust​

Birth rates on the left fell in the last Trump presidency. That seems likely to happen again.

 

[Mac-7]

I'm still of the opinion that the 70s level of US population (203.3 Million) was the "sweet spot" as opposed to the currently estimated 349 million. What have we really gained by the 149 million increase? It's sure not quality of life.

We've been brainwashed to think that constant population growth is necessary for continued prosperity. It's not. Stability has virtue, but not for people who live their lives by spreadsheets and the politicians they buy.

This is a result, in my view, of a warped, corporatist mindset. Gotta keep growing, more more more. Quantity over quality.

In their minds leveling off or declining is “not a good thing”. More population, more GDP, at any cost. Who cares if the quality of life declines.

I think that the nation can stand 300 million legal productive residents

Now that the migrant invasion has been reduced to near zero each year we can better manage population growth