Zone1 Hosea 2:18

[buttercup]

I understand that. I am saying if he created everything perfect, eve wouldnt have done what she did. If everything is perfect, nothing is imperfect.

In Genesis 1, the word perfect is not used. It says it was "very good."

And even that I think is misunderstood. It doesn't mean that Adam and Eve were incapable of sin. It simply means that they were pure, without sin. The way I see it is they were like a clean slate. That is not the same thing as perfect. Only God is perfect.

 

[Hafar1014]

No. He purposely created existence to share in his existence. It is the nature of intelligence to create intelligence. So God did not purposely create people to obey or disobey him.

It wasn't on purpose and it wasn't not on purpose. It has no bearing on God's creative act.

Intelligence existed long before humans existed. Humans were created to obey and disobey as we choose. For example I choose nit to believe in Jesus. Thats Gods will when I was created

 

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I prefer knowledge and logic.

No, you don't. You prefer ignorance and subjectivity.

 

[Hafar1014]

God created all of creation to share in his existence. It's not just people.

Only you could look at creation and call it a failure. I look at creation and am in awe of it.

God didnt create humanity. The universe was already here. We dont knoiw how we were created but since we share the same DNA as starfish its likely we evolved from lower firms of life or there was intervention by an older race of beings

 

[Hafar1014]

No, you don't. You prefer ignorance and subjectivity.

You prefer being concrete categorical and self contradictory. Must be a woman

 

[Hafar1014]

In Genesis 1, the word perfect is not used. It says it was "very good."

And even that I think is misunderstood. It doesn't mean that Adam and Eve were incapable of sin. It simply means that they were pure, without sin. The way I see it is they were like a clean slate. That is not the same thing as perfect. Only God is perfect.

They were incapable of sin because they had no idea what sin was. Thats why God manipulated them to eat the fruit that contained knowledge of good and evil. Then they could comprehend that they unknowingly committed a sin. Now the trial for mans freedom begins(not the fall of man). God waited for them to confess which they did. They now leave Eden(childhood) to create a civilization.

Thats what it really means. The Christian version is 100% BS

 

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Intelligence existed long before humans existed.

Yes. Intelligence is an artifact of life. Sensing and responding to one's environment requires at least a rudimentary for of intelligence in even the simplest of life forms.

Humans were created to obey and disobey as we choose.

Yes, humans have free will and can make choices. No, that's not why they were created. Free will is an artifact of higher intelligence.

For example I choose nit to believe in Jesus.

Good for you. I couldn't be happier for you. But clearly you are not secure in your beliefs if you have to attack the beliefs of others. Learn some psychology on what motivates people actions to attack things.

Thats Gods will when I was created

That's doubtful and contradicts what you wrote in another thread when you said, "we learn morals from our parents and social relationships."

You can't even admit to loving God. You are more like a militant atheist attacking the dominant religion of the land.

 

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God didnt create humanity.

Indirectly he sure did.

The universe was already here.

God created the universe from nothing.

We dont knoiw how we were created

We exist because the laws of nature (i.e. God) predestined beings that know and create would eventually arise.

but since we share the same DNA as starfish its likely we evolved from lower firms of life or there was intervention by an older race of beings

There have been 5 stages of evolution of space and time; cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, chemical evolution, biological evolution and evolution of consciousness.

In his book, "The Phenomenon of Man" Pierre Teilhard de Chardin describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in a Christ consciousness. He limited his observations to biological evolution but the same observation can be made about all stages of the evolution of space and time. The complexification of matter increased until it naturally and logically made the leap to the next stage. The last and final stage of evolution of space and time is consciousness. So it seems logical that consciousness would also increase in complexity until it to made the leap to the next stage which Chardin describes as Christ consciousness.

1. The universe began as a soup of subatomic particles and radiation and naturally and logically complexified into hydrogen and helium. This is what is called the cosmic stage of the evolution of space and time.
2. Hydrogen and helium then naturally and logically complexified into structures like stars and galaxies. This is what is called the stellar stage of the evolution of space and time.
3. From the life cycle of galaxies and stars all of the other elements and compounds were naturally and logically formed. This is what is called the chemical stage of the evolution of space and time.
4. As chemical evolution naturally and logically complexified the leap to biological life was made. This is what is called the biological stage of the evolution of space and time.
5. As life logically and naturally evolved and complexified the leap to consciousness was made. This is what is called the conscious stage of of the evolution of space and time.

So we can see that each successive stage of the evolution of space and time complexified until it made the leap to the next stage. And it did so naturally and logically. So Chardin's assumption that consciousness will make the leap to a Christ consciousness is logical because it presumes that consciousness will evolve and complexify and make the leap to the next level because every other stage of the evolution of space and time did so too before it.

 

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You prefer being concrete categorical and self contradictory. Must be a woman

So calling me a woman is supposed to be an insult? You are showing your true colors.

 

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Thats what it really means. The Christian version is 100% BS

That's exactly the argument Satan would make.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes. Intelligence is an artifact of life. Sensing and responding to one's environment requires at least a rudimentary for of intelligence in even the simplest of life forms.

Yes, humans have free will and can make choices. No, that's not why they were created. Free will is an artifact of higher intelligence.

Good for you. I couldn't be happier for you. But clearly you are not secure in your beliefs if you have to attack the beliefs of others. Learn some psychology on what motivates people actions to attack things.

That's doubtful and contradicts what you wrote in another thread when you said, "we learn morals from our parents and social relationships."

You can't even admit to loving God. You are more like a militant atheist attacking the dominant religion of the land.

Animals have free will. Humans are not the first species to exist in the universe. God didnt create humans were are a product of nature that evolves.

I dont attack other religions I just point out how they distorted mine. When you change the true meaning of the Jewish work Genesis I am obligated to challenge that. Go write your own book.
Every model of human development is based on the personality is formed by interactions with your family during the critical period of development. Age 0 to 13. Thats where your moral values come from.

The 8 Stages of Erikson’s Psychosocial Development

• 1. Trust vs. Mistrust (Birth–18 months): Infants learn to trust caregivers and their environment, developing the virtue of hope.
• 2. Autonomy vs. Shame and Doubt (18 months–3 years): Toddlers gain independence, building will.
• 3. Initiative vs. Guilt (3–5 years): Preschoolers assert control through play, developing purpose.
• 4. Industry vs. Inferiority (5–13 years): School-age children learn to handle new demands, fostering competence.
• 5. Identity vs. Role Confusion (13–21 years): Adolescents explore their self-concept, developing fidelity.
• 6. Intimacy vs. Isolation (21–39 years): Young adults form intimate relationships, developing love.
• 7. Generativity vs. Stagnation (40–65 years): Middle-aged adults create things that outlast them, fostering care.
• 8. Integrity vs. Despair (65+ years): Older adults reflect on life, achieving wisdom.
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[Hafar1014]

That's exactly the argument Satan would make.

There is no Satan or devil.

 

[Hafar1014]

So calling me a woman is supposed to be an insult? You are showing your true colors.

No but you do think like one which is not an insult just an observation maybe you think it is

 

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Animals have free will.

So what?

Humans are not the first species to exist in the universe.

No shit. I never claimed humans were special.

God didnt create humans were are a product of nature that evolves.

God most certainly did intend for intelligence to rise.

I dont attack other religions

Bullshit.

I just point out how they distorted mine.

No. You actually enjoy it. I can't wait for you to Darwinize yourself out of existence.

When you change the true meaning of the Jewish work Genesis I am obligated to challenge that. Go write your own book.

You can tell that to Jesus as you bend your knee to him.

Every model of human development is based on the personality is formed by interactions with your family during the critical period of development. Age 0 to 13. Thats where your moral values come from.

And yet you claimed it was God's will to not be a Christian. Oy vey!

The 8 Stages of Erikson’s Psychosocial Development

• 1. Trust vs. Mistrust (Birth–18 months): Infants learn to trust caregivers and their environment, developing the virtue of hope.
• 2. Autonomy vs. Shame and Doubt (18 months–3 years): Toddlers gain independence, building will.
• 3. Initiative vs. Guilt (3–5 years): Preschoolers assert control through play, developing purpose.
• 4. Industry vs. Inferiority (5–13 years): School-age children learn to handle new demands, fostering competence.
• 5. Identity vs. Role Confusion (13–21 years): Adolescents explore their self-concept, developing fidelity.
• 6. Intimacy vs. Isolation (21–39 years): Young adults form intimate relationships, developing love.
• 7. Generativity vs. Stagnation (40–65 years): Middle-aged adults create things that outlast them, fostering care.
• 8. Integrity vs. Despair (65+ years): Older adults reflect on life, achieving wisdom.
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You would be better served by studying Kohlberg's six levels of morality progression.

 

[TNHarley]

No, you don't. You prefer ignorance and subjectivity.

 

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There is no Satan or devil.

The fallen world says otherwise. As near as I can tell Satan is the god you worship.

 

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No but you do think like one which is not an insult just an observation maybe you think it is

You can't even own your insults. You are a mess.

Psychologists define rationalizing an insult as a defense mechanism designed to minimize discomfort, avoid accountability, or protect self-esteem. By reframing an insult as "truth," "constructive criticism," or a "joke," the brain reduces cognitive dissonance and shifts blame from the speaker to the target, creating a "sweet lemon" (recasting negativity positively) or "sour grapes" (ignoring negative information) scenario.

 

[TNHarley]

You can't even own your insults. You are a mess.

Psychologists define rationalizing an insult as a defense mechanism designed to minimize discomfort, avoid accountability, or protect self-esteem. By reframing an insult as "truth," "constructive criticism," or a "joke," the brain reduces cognitive dissonance and shifts blame from the speaker to the target, creating a "sweet lemon" (recasting negativity positively) or "sour grapes" (ignoring negative information) scenario.

Oh wow. The lack of awareness of this post is absolutely mind boggling. Seriously.

 

[Hafar1014]

You can't even own your insults. You are a mess.

Psychologists define rationalizing an insult as a defense mechanism designed to minimize discomfort, avoid accountability, or protect self-esteem. By reframing an insult as "truth," "constructive criticism," or a "joke," the brain reduces cognitive dissonance and shifts blame from the speaker to the target, creating a "sweet lemon" (recasting negativity positively) or "sour grapes" (ignoring negative information) scenario.

You can copy and paste Im having fun lighten up. Remember context is everything if only you could figure that out.

 

[Hafar1014]

Oh wow. The lack of awareness of this post is absolutely mind boggling. Seriously.

Shes mad at me its understandable