Homeschooling: Your Views, Please

[Foxfyre]

Yes, I'd agree much more with point 2. That's an excellent point.

Homeschooled kids have as much opportunity for serious discussion as public school kids though, and if socialzation deprivation was a problem, you would think the homeschooled kids to have a disadvantage in people skills, leadership skils, and interpersonal relationships. They don't.

Uh - exactly how do you have the same opportunity for diverse viewpoints as you'd have in a classroom -- if you're the only kid in the room?

And if classroom discussion was an important part of education, you would think public school kids would be on a par educationally as homeschooled kids. And for the most part they aren't.

You could conclude that if the presence or absence of a group environment was the only difference; that would be an even comparison. But of course it's one of many differences.

I am not knocking the good public school. I was blessed with that as were my kids. But the fact is public education has severely deteriorated in recent decades and on average, the public schooled kids are behind, sometimes significantly behind, their peers who attend good private or parochial schools, and the homeschooled kids, on average, out perform them all.

I'm pretty sure it's been more years than we care to admit since we've been in school Foxy -- on what basis are we declaring that "public education has severely deteriorated in recent decades"?

Here is just one source expressing homeschooling results. There are many including those I have observed personally as previously posted:

Academic Performance

· The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.)

· Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.

· Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.

· Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.

· Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.

· Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.

Social, Emotional, and Psychological Development

· The home-educated are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem.

· Homeschool students are regularly engaged in social and educational activities outside their homes and with people other than their nuclear-family members. They are commonly involved in activities such as field trips, scouting, 4-H, political drives, church ministry, sports teams, and community volunteer work. . . .

Success in the “Real World” of Adulthood

The research base on adults who were home educated is growing; thus far it indicates that they:

· participate in local community service more frequently than does the general population,

· vote and attend public meetings more frequently than the general population, and

· go to and succeed at college at an equal or higher rate than the general population.

· Internalize the values and beliefs of their parents at a very high rate.
Research Facts on Homeschooling | Research

 

[Pogo]

Homeschooled kids have as much opportunity for serious discussion as public school kids though, and if socialzation deprivation was a problem, you would think the homeschooled kids to have a disadvantage in people skills, leadership skils, and interpersonal relationships. They don't.

Uh - exactly how do you have the same opportunity for diverse viewpoints as you'd have in a classroom -- if you're the only kid in the room?



You could conclude that if the presence or absence of a group environment was the only difference; that would be an even comparison. But of course it's one of many differences.



I'm pretty sure it's been more years than we care to admit since we've been in school Foxy -- on what basis are we declaring that "public education has severely deteriorated in recent decades"?

Here is just one source expressing homeschooling results. There are many including those I have observed personally as previously posted:

Academic Performance

· The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.)

· Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.

· Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.

· Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.

· Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.

· Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.

Social, Emotional, and Psychological Development

· The home-educated are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem.

· Homeschool students are regularly engaged in social and educational activities outside their homes and with people other than their nuclear-family members. They are commonly involved in activities such as field trips, scouting, 4-H, political drives, church ministry, sports teams, and community volunteer work. . . .

Success in the “Real World” of Adulthood

The research base on adults who were home educated is growing; thus far it indicates that they:

· participate in local community service more frequently than does the general population,

· vote and attend public meetings more frequently than the general population, and

· go to and succeed at college at an equal or higher rate than the general population.

· Internalize the values and beliefs of their parents at a very high rate.
Research Facts on Homeschooling | Research

Thanks Foxy but -- that wasn't at all the question. I'm already sympathetic to the point you make here; I don't need convincing.

The question (one of them, and the least important) was, on what basis are we saying public education has deteriorated? This is a question about the traditional institution ---not about home schooling. The other question I put in blue.

 

[Pogo]

With the ignorant indoctrinated useful idiots being turned out by public schools, homeschooling is the one alternative to private school. I think public education needs to be removed from government and unions. Freedom of thought is being attacked by the left. Big Brother. I love my country, but my government is corrupt with communist vermin who call themselves democrats.

Yeah, you been tokin' for sure. "Unions"?

 

[Foxfyre]

Uh - exactly how do you have the same opportunity for diverse viewpoints as you'd have in a classroom -- if you're the only kid in the room?



You could conclude that if the presence or absence of a group environment was the only difference; that would be an even comparison. But of course it's one of many differences.



I'm pretty sure it's been more years than we care to admit since we've been in school Foxy -- on what basis are we declaring that "public education has severely deteriorated in recent decades"?

Here is just one source expressing homeschooling results. There are many including those I have observed personally as previously posted:

Academic Performance

· The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.)

· Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.

· Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.

· Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.

· Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.

· Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.

Social, Emotional, and Psychological Development

· The home-educated are doing well, typically above average, on measures of social, emotional, and psychological development. Research measures include peer interaction, self-concept, leadership skills, family cohesion, participation in community service, and self-esteem.

· Homeschool students are regularly engaged in social and educational activities outside their homes and with people other than their nuclear-family members. They are commonly involved in activities such as field trips, scouting, 4-H, political drives, church ministry, sports teams, and community volunteer work. . . .

Success in the “Real World” of Adulthood

The research base on adults who were home educated is growing; thus far it indicates that they:

· participate in local community service more frequently than does the general population,

· vote and attend public meetings more frequently than the general population, and

· go to and succeed at college at an equal or higher rate than the general population.

· Internalize the values and beliefs of their parents at a very high rate.
Research Facts on Homeschooling | Research

Thanks Foxy but -- that wasn't at all the question. I'm already sympathetic to the point you make here; I don't need convincing.

The question (one of them, and the least important) was, on what basis are we saying public education has deteriorated? This is a question about the traditional institution ---not about home schooling. The other question I put in blue.

When I was getting my education, the USA ranked No. 1 in the world in quality of education. Now, despite being among the very top in per capita spending on education, we are holding onto No. 17 by our fingernails.
US 17th In Global Education Ranking; Finland, South Korea Claim Top Spots

 

[P@triot]

My Take:

There are Biology teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject.
There are history teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject.
There are chemistry teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject.

While a parent could likely google everything to ascertain an "ok-enough" understanding on every little subject, they're never be quite as polished on a per subject basis like that of an individual who is versed on one particular subject.

My Take:

There are Biology teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject - and are still frick'n morons
There are history teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject - and are still frick'n morons
There are chemistry teachers who take years of schooling on the one subject - and are still frick'n morons

I've worked with people who had Master's degrees and were fired for their incompetence. The bottom line is that one's ability to regurgitate spoon-fed information at a particular point in time in no way illustrates that they have truly mastered that material, nor does it mean in any capacity that they are able to apply what they've learned in the real world.

As always, liberals naïvely believe that that sitting in a classroom means everything and the real world means nothing. Which is exactly why they continue to give us policy which is failing us miserably in the real world - because it sounded good in a classroom somewhere

 

[P@triot]

This is from a NY school teacher and really illustrates everything that is wrong with the disease known as liberalism - the one size fits all mentality that libtards bring to every facet of life. One federal government size fits all. One Common Core and public school education fits all. One fucked up ideology fits all...

David learns to read at age four; Rachel, at age nine: In normal development, when both are 13, you can’t tell which one learned first—the five-year spread means nothing at all. But in school I label Rachel "learning disabled" and slow David down a bit, too. For a paycheck, I adjust David to depend on me to tell him when to go and stop. He won’t outgrow that dependency. I identify Rachel as discount merchandise, "special education" fodder. She’ll be locked in her place forever.

In 30 years of teaching kids rich and poor I almost never met a learning disabled child; hardly ever met a gifted and talented one either. Like all school categories, these are sacred myths, created by human imagination. They derive from questionable values we never examine because they preserve the temple of schooling.

That’s the secret behind short-answer tests, bells, uniform time blocks, age grading, standardization, and all the rest of the school religion punishing our nation. There isn’t a right way to become educated; there are as many ways as fingerprints. We don’t need state-certified teachers to make education happen—that probably guarantees it won’t.

How much more evidence is necessary? Good schools don’t need more money or a longer year; they need real free-market choices, variety that speaks to every need and runs risks. We don’t need a national curriculum or national testing either. Both initiatives arise from ignorance of how people learn or deliberate indifference to it. I can’t teach this way any longer. If you hear of a job where I don’t have to hurt kids to make a living, let me know. Come fall I’ll be looking for work.

Public Education

Guess what Stupid: Institutional structure is not a matter of politics. And this just in: education is not a commodity to be bought and sold in a "free market". I know that's hard for your TV-addicted Randbot Ferengi mind where all human values have a price tag in some kind of street bazaar to ponder, but not everything reduces to the values of roll-on deodorant. Though I'm not at all surprised you're shallow enough to come up with this goofy shit.

In other words - you recognize that liberalism has failed in education just as miserably as it has failed in economics, business, politics, crime prevention, and all other sectors of life. And now you're shitting your pants that people are waking up to this reality and if you're not able to indoctrinate children at a young age into your very fucked up and failed ideology, how will it survive - right?

Got it.

Oh - by the way. I know you've been completely brainwashed by your failed and fucked up ideology and literally have no capacity to think for yourself, but the point of this article (had you not been far too ****'n lazy to actually read it) had nothing to do with the free market. It was about the failure known as liberalism - and how liberals are so brainwashed that they can only "imagine" one way to do anything - the way they were brainwashed into doing it. There are roughly 330,000 million Americans and each one is so unique that there isn't a single duplicate of DNA or fingerprints among them. There also isn't a single instance of of two brains that function in the exact same capacity. And yet liberals think that they only way to indoctrinate - er, uh - educate the children is some pitiful cookie cutter format which is designed solely for the benefit of the teachers union to ensure the money, perks, and benefits keep flowing at an absurd rate guaranteed to bankrupt each and every municipality.

 

[P@triot]

Homeschooling-------------good for educating, bad for learning social skills.

That hasn't been my experience. Good for educating and good for developing GREAT social skills. As previously posted, I have regular contact with a LOT of home schooled kids and, without exception, they are confident, outgoing, personable, courteous, speak respectfully without dropping the "f" bomb every three sentences, are involved in interesting things that are not harmful to them, and they all have lots of friends.

The facts show that Foxfyre is dead-on and Redfish is just wrong on this one:

"A recent study shows that homeschooled kids score almost twice as high on exams as public school students. Other studies show that homeschooled kids score 72 points higher than the national average on SAT exams.

Homeschoolers are more likely to attend college, are more likely to graduate, and have higher college GPAs (Grade Point Averages) than other students.

The old wives’ tale spread by the teachers’ unions (who are afraid of competition) is that homeschoolers are not “socialized.” Well, the facts are in. Homeschoolers are almost twice as involved in their local community or church as public school students, and almost three times as involved in politics. Homeschooled children also have far fewer behavioral problems.”

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[Unkotare]

Strange that some people seem to think that "homeschooling" means kids are never allowed out of the house or to have friends, participate in activities, etc.

 

[P@triot]

Strange that some people seem to think that "homeschooling" means kids are never allowed out of the house or to have friends, participate in activities, etc.

They are liberals Unkotare - which means they don't think. They simply regurgitate what George Soros's websites tells them (amazing the power that man holds over them).

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

The government should have never been in the business of educating children (INDOCTRINATING) in the first place. This is a free country. NO ONE has the right to tell any parent how they feel they can best educate their child. Homeschooling is a fundamental choice that is protected by the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[thanatos144]

Homeschooling-------------good for educating, bad for learning social skills.

That hasn't been my experience. Good for educating and good for developing GREAT social skills. As previously posted, I have regular contact with a LOT of home schooled kids and, without exception, they are confident, outgoing, personable, courteous, speak respectfully without dropping the "f" bomb every three sentences, are involved in interesting things that are not harmful to them, and they all have lots of friends.

Good, I know some like that too, but I also know some who are very introverted, behind their age in social skills, and who do not know how to interact with their peers.

But you can see both kinds in public schools as well.

The real issue I think is why do many parents feel that the public schools are inferior to what they can do via on-line home schooling?

Why are many kids unprepared for the real world after 12 years or more of public schools?

Someone earlier said it was not political or philosophical or partisan. But it cannot be denied that the teachers union is a very left wing organization and its members have failed in their basic job of educating our young people.

So your saying there is NO introverted kids in schools?

 

[thanatos144]

Homeskooling is like inbreeding.

I dont think it is like you at all.

 

[KNB]

The government should have never been in the business of educating children (INDOCTRINATING) in the first place. This is a free country. NO ONE has the right to tell any parent how they feel they can best educate their child. Homeschooling is a fundamental choice that is protected by the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yeah! Toothless braindead neo-Confederate backwoods jerkwater inbred hillbillies should be able to teach their own children only what they want their children to know. God, guns, 'n endless war against anyone who isn't white Christian. The same "education" that toothless inbred Confederate assholes taught to their stupid ******* children when they fought a war to keep their slaves.

Stupid people should not teach children.

 

[KNB]

So your saying there is NO introverted kids in schools?

See what homeschooling gets you, dipshits? Do you see the level of your "education"?

"So you're saying that there are NO introverted kids in schools?"

Do you see? Correct spelling and grammar. Stupid people who don't even know how to speak or write their first and only language should not be in charge of teaching kids, because then the kids will grow up being as wrong as their stupid ******* parents.

 

[thanatos144]

So your saying there is NO introverted kids in schools?

See what homeschooling gets you, dipshits? Do you see the level of your "education"?

"So you're saying that there are NO introverted kids in schools?"

Do you see? Correct spelling and grammar. Stupid people who don't even know how to speak or write their first and only language should not be in charge of teaching kids, because then the kids will grow up being as wrong as their stupid ******* parents.

You are a ******* idiot. By the way fool I went to Detroit public schools.

 

[Samson]

So your saying there is NO introverted kids in schools?

See what homeschooling gets you, dipshits? Do you see the level of your "education"?

"So you're saying that there are NO introverted kids in schools?"

Do you see? Correct spelling and grammar. Stupid people who don't even know how to speak or write their first and only language should not be in charge of teaching kids, because then the kids will grow up being as wrong as their stupid ******* parents.

You are a ******* idiot. By the way fool I went to Detroit public schools.

You attended Detroit Public Schools?



Well, there's a shocker.

 

[Samson]

Strange that some people seem to think that "homeschooling" means kids are never allowed out of the house or to have friends, participate in activities, etc.

They don't.

However, they use a few examples to paint a broad picture: Propaganda is their real objective. They have lost the aguement that public schools are effective: test scores decline, and the public school's solution is to lower the bar: What more indictment of failure does any rational person need?

Oh yeah, cost/student has dramatically increased while standards have declined.

 

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[Spoonman]

Here is just one source expressing homeschooling results. There are many including those I have observed personally as previously posted:

Thanks Foxy but -- that wasn't at all the question. I'm already sympathetic to the point you make here; I don't need convincing.

The question (one of them, and the least important) was, on what basis are we saying public education has deteriorated? This is a question about the traditional institution ---not about home schooling. The other question I put in blue.

When I was getting my education, the USA ranked No. 1 in the world in quality of education. Now, despite being among the very top in per capita spending on education, we are holding onto No. 17 by our fingernails.
US 17th In Global Education Ranking; Finland, South Korea Claim Top Spots

my sisters son was struggling in school. eventually they discovered he was dyslexic. he was receiving some special help but still continued to struggle. She pulled him out and home schooled him for two years. now he is back (for the past 4 years) in regular school and doing great. he's an honor student and graduates middle school this year.

 

[Ibentoken]

So why is the government school system in Chicago so terrible?