Homeschooling: Your Views, Please

[Unkotare]

Stupid people should not teach children.

Too late for you, it seems.

 

[Ibentoken]

The unions protect unqualified ignorant teachers. They have to be busted so teachers are responsible to parents.

 

[Foxfyre]

The thing is, every public school is not terrible. There are exceptions. So our focus should not be on any one school or a few schools or on one kid or a handful of kids who are the exception. Any legitimate federal policy has to be based on everybody in a very large country, and the statistics are irrefutable: overall home schooled kids are out performing public schooled kids by a substantial margin. Good private and parochial schools out perform public schooled kids by a smaller but still substantial margin. (And no, I am not going to post those statistics again for the late comers--they are posted in this thread and anybody interested can look for them there.)

The U.S. public school system, once the best in the world and still right at the top as the best funded in the world, has been losing ground and deteriorating in quality, i.e. ability to educate kids, for a very long time now. And that deterioration can be traced right back to the point that the federal government started seriously meddling with local education, that the ACLU started threatening schools with law suits over First Amendment etc. issues, that political correctness started raising its ugly head, and that modern American liberalism gained such a majority in the education system that it can indoctrinate unchallenged and that has robbed the students of critical thinking skills.

No wonder that home schooling is almost always a superior choice for those parents with the temperament to do it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The thing is, every public school is not terrible. There are exceptions. So our focus should not be on any one school or a few schools or on one kid or a handful of kids who are the exception. Any legitimate federal policy has to be based on everybody in a very large country, and the statistics are irrefutable: overall home schooled kids are out performing public schooled kids by a substantial margin. Good private and parochial schools out perform public schooled kids by a smaller but still substantial margin. (And no, I am not going to post those statistics again for the late comers--they are posted in this thread and anybody interested can look for them there.)

The U.S. public school system, once the best in the world and still right at the top as the best funded in the world, has been losing ground and deteriorating in quality, i.e. ability to educate kids, for a very long time now. And that deterioration can be traced right back to the point that the federal government started seriously meddling with local education, that the ACLU started threatening schools with law suits over First Amendment etc. issues, that political correctness started raising its ugly head, and that modern American liberalism gained such a majority in the education system that it can indoctrinate unchallenged and that has robbed the students of critical thinking skills.

No wonder that home schooling is almost always a superior choice for those parents with the temperament to do it.

This is a large part of why my beliefs about fixing education in America center around school choice, exercised by the people who both know the child best and have the most at stake in his future, after the child himself: the parents. Not only does this benefit the child, it benefits the schools that have something on the ball, because it rewards them for doing so, instead of the current method of treating and funding all schools - public, that is - as though they're the same. And if a child has parents so bad that he'd be better off raised by wolves, he still benefits from having a school that's working to satisfy the good parents in his area.

Everyone wins, except for the lazy union jagoffs who want job security without performing.

 

[Pogo]

This is from a NY school teacher and really illustrates everything that is wrong with the disease known as liberalism - the one size fits all mentality that libtards bring to every facet of life. One federal government size fits all. One Common Core and public school education fits all. One fucked up ideology fits all...

David learns to read at age four; Rachel, at age nine: In normal development, when both are 13, you can’t tell which one learned first—the five-year spread means nothing at all. But in school I label Rachel "learning disabled" and slow David down a bit, too. For a paycheck, I adjust David to depend on me to tell him when to go and stop. He won’t outgrow that dependency. I identify Rachel as discount merchandise, "special education" fodder. She’ll be locked in her place forever.

In 30 years of teaching kids rich and poor I almost never met a learning disabled child; hardly ever met a gifted and talented one either. Like all school categories, these are sacred myths, created by human imagination. They derive from questionable values we never examine because they preserve the temple of schooling.

That’s the secret behind short-answer tests, bells, uniform time blocks, age grading, standardization, and all the rest of the school religion punishing our nation. There isn’t a right way to become educated; there are as many ways as fingerprints. We don’t need state-certified teachers to make education happen—that probably guarantees it won’t.

How much more evidence is necessary? Good schools don’t need more money or a longer year; they need real free-market choices, variety that speaks to every need and runs risks. We don’t need a national curriculum or national testing either. Both initiatives arise from ignorance of how people learn or deliberate indifference to it. I can’t teach this way any longer. If you hear of a job where I don’t have to hurt kids to make a living, let me know. Come fall I’ll be looking for work.

Public Education

Guess what Stupid: Institutional structure is not a matter of politics. And this just in: education is not a commodity to be bought and sold in a "free market". I know that's hard for your TV-addicted Randbot Ferengi mind where all human values have a price tag in some kind of street bazaar to ponder, but not everything reduces to the values of roll-on deodorant. Though I'm not at all surprised you're shallow enough to come up with this goofy shit.

In other words - you recognize that liberalism has failed in education just as miserably as it has failed in economics, business, politics, crime prevention, and all other sectors of life. And now you're shitting your pants that people are waking up to this reality and if you're not able to indoctrinate children at a young age into your very fucked up and failed ideology, how will it survive - right?

Got it.

Oh - by the way. I know you've been completely brainwashed by your failed and fucked up ideology and literally have no capacity to think for yourself, but the point of this article (had you not been far too ****'n lazy to actually read it) had nothing to do with the free market.

Uh huh.

Run that tape back again...

How much more evidence is necessary? Good schools don’t need more money or a longer year; they need real free-market choices, variety that speaks to every need and runs risks.

Let me know if that slips by you again.

Educational systems have nothing to do with "Liberalism" or "Conservatism", dumbass. Nor do they have to do with whether or not you like unions. Had you received an education you might by now know how to make a better case than this bullshit.

I actually agree with most of what he has to say here, especially about standardization. But your simplistic blanket statements poking around for every excuse to demonize Liberalism -- a concept you don't begin to comprehend -- fails on its face, let alone the pathetic attempt to tie education to some kind of political voodoo economics.

E.G. ...

It was about the failure known as liberalism - and how liberals are so brainwashed that they can only "imagine" one way to do anything - the way they were brainwashed into doing it. There are roughly 330,000 million Americans and each one is so unique that there isn't a single duplicate of DNA or fingerprints among them. There also isn't a single instance of of two brains that function in the exact same capacity. And yet liberals think that they only way to indoctrinate - er, uh - educate the children is some pitiful cookie cutter format which is designed solely for the benefit of the teachers union to ensure the money, perks, and benefits keep flowing at an absurd rate guaranteed to bankrupt each and every municipality.

Liberalism created this country, Bub, and did so exactly by imagining another way to do things. None of which had squat to do with how public schools are set up.

And by the way we won't reach 330,000 million (which we actually write as "330 billion") for at least a couple of years, dumbass.

 

[Contumacious]

As long as home schools met state requirements for a public education, go ahead.

I support them 100% as long as they do NOT have to meet any state requirement.

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[Philrai]

I do think that home schooling is a good trend to be followed. It gives access to many oppurtuinities giving students diiferent and many methods of learning. And yes of course parents can a play vital role in building the child's mind. We can't say this method is just a cheaper way to save money, instead it is another alternative for the regular schooling with the access to the modern world even from the remote places. It is an oppurtunity for the students to learn with a different aspect. I really appreciate home schooling online myself.

 

[KNB]

Stupid people should not teach children.

Too late for you, it seems.

Hey, that's funny. I have an IQ of 147 and have carried four majors in college since leaving the US Army.

Stupid inbred neo-Confederate racists shouldn't be in charge of educating their children because then the children will grow up to be just as small-minded and Republican as their inbred jerkwater parents.

 

[Pete7469]

I was homeschooled as a child.

There are arguments made for and against it.

Would you please share your views on it here?

The best way to keep your kids from being brainwashed by leftist union thug teachers into bullshit globabble warming scams, America hating, and marxist dogma.

They also don't need to "socialize" with little primates from the neighborhood. They can socialize with the sort of people you prefer to have around.

They'll learn all the superficial trendy stupid shit from TV.

 

[Pogo]

I was homeschooled as a child.

There are arguments made for and against it.

Would you please share your views on it here?

The best way to keep your kids from being brainwashed by leftist union thug teachers into bullshit globabble warming scams, America hating, and marxist dogma.

Some posts simply carry their own suicide gene.

They also don't need to "socialize" with little primates from the neighborhood. They can socialize with the sort of people you prefer to have around.

They'll learn all the superficial trendy stupid shit from TV.

Good plan. You can call it "The Boy in the Bubble".

 

[Unkotare]

Stupid people should not teach children.

Too late for you, it seems.

Hey, that's funny. I have an IQ of 147 and have carried four majors in college since leaving the US Army.

Yes, of course, because this is the internet.

 

[Wake]

I think I turned out alright under homeschooling. Never got into trouble with the law or felt peer pressure to do the worst and dumbest things out there. Didn't fornicate, either; that sort of pressure permeates the public school system. I could be in favor of public schooling if they raised their standards, behaved better, and wore standard uniforms. I appreciate certain element's from Japan's take on education. The way our school systems are instilled with progressive/liberal ideology is another reason I don't favor the public school system. Either both/all ideologies should be accepted, or NO ideology should bias our academia.

The public school system wasn't. from my perspective, accommodating to kids with ADHD. I was beaten every so often because I was a hyperactive young blond kid. Homeschooling was difficult for my parents because of the disorder, but it was better for me, and I used my disorder to my advantage and flew through my studies with stellar grades. What I gained in academic prowess I lost in social skills, but that was more a fault of my father's, and NOT a fault of homeschooling. Dad was a frugal computer engineer, and could well afford taking me out to mix and mingle with people and other kids my age. But he didn't, because he didn't want to spend the money. Later he would take the $8,000 in grant money I earned for college, and had full control over it.

I think the fear that homeschooled children would be brainwashed by their parents to think conservatively... is foolish. Those same people have nary a peep to say about the brainwashing done in public schools or worse, they don't even recognize it. When I come to an institution to learn and better myself, I expect to be taught all important, objective matters of academia. Not be taught how to think a certain way politically. And I'd rather not be bothered by negative influences while I'm young and prone to being molded.

Homeschooling in general helps children achieve better grades. Many things can be done about the supposed lack of social skills, and it depends on the parents, their habits, and the financial situation they're in. You also don't get bullied by mean-spirited little bastards whom the school officials won't do anything about. It's pathetic how nothing is done about bullies, but if it's going to be punitized legally like it is in that one township, then good. Homeschooling isn't a bad thing at all.

 

[rightwinger]

I think I turned out alright under homeschooling. Never got into trouble with the law or felt peer pressure to do the worst and dumbest things out there. Didn't fornicate, either; that sort of pressure permeates the public school system. I could be in favor of public schooling if they raised their standards, behaved better, and wore standard uniforms. I appreciate certain element's from Japan's take on education. The way our school systems are instilled with progressive/liberal ideology is another reason I don't favor the public school system. Either both/all ideologies should be accepted, or NO ideology should bias our academia.

The public school system wasn't. from my perspective, accommodating to kids with ADHD. I was beaten every so often because I was a hyperactive young blond kid. Homeschooling was difficult for my parents because of the disorder, but it was better for me, and I used my disorder to my advantage and flew through my studies with stellar grades. What I gained in academic prowess I lost in social skills, but that was more a fault of my father's, and NOT a fault of homeschooling. Dad was a frugal computer engineer, and could well afford taking me out to mix and mingle with people and other kids my age. But he didn't, because he didn't want to spend the money. Later he would take the $8,000 in grant money I earned for college, and had full control over it.

I think the fear that homeschooled children would be brainwashed by their parents to think conservatively... is foolish. Those same people have nary a peep to say about the brainwashing done in public schools or worse, they don't even recognize it. When I come to an institution to learn and better myself, I expect to be taught all important, objective matters of academia. Not be taught how to think a certain way politically. And I'd rather not be bothered by negative influences while I'm young and prone to being molded.

Homeschooling in general helps children achieve better grades. Many things can be done about the supposed lack of social skills, and it depends on the parents, their habits, and the financial situation they're in. You also don't get bullied by mean-spirited little bastards whom the school officials won't do anything about. It's pathetic how nothing is done about bullies, but if it's going to be punitized legally like it is in that one township, then good. Homeschooling isn't a bad thing at all.

Why couldn't you just go out and play with the other kids?

 

[Wake]

Why couldn't you just go out and play with the other kids?

I did, but eventually they grew up and moved away. We had no family members in our state, either. By the time the neighborhood kids in our subdivision moved out, all that were left were older folks, or middle-aged folks with young kids. In my teens my father would take me and my sister to an Apostolic-Pentecostal church, and there were a few teenagers my age that I socialized with. They were really innocent and the kind of people that would give you the shirt off their back and help you with anything if you needed help. He eventually became an RN and married, and the young lady moved to Florida and married. They were good influences, and every Sunday we'd go to church, and then have "parties" involving different events like enjoying Autumn, etc. Church folk would come to their house with all manner of home-made dishes, and the whole church would play basketball and volleyball, or play horseshoes and such while eating on picnic tables in the backyard.

Good memories, those were.

 

[Crystalclear]

Fully support it

 

[Unkotare]

I think I turned out alright under homeschooling. Never got into trouble with the law or felt peer pressure to do the worst and dumbest things out there. Didn't fornicate, either; that sort of pressure permeates the public school system. I could be in favor of public schooling if they raised their standards, behaved better, and wore standard uniforms. I appreciate certain element's from Japan's take on education.

If you think that Japanese kids don't fornicate and get into trouble with the law, you're nuts.

 

[Wake]

I think I turned out alright under homeschooling. Never got into trouble with the law or felt peer pressure to do the worst and dumbest things out there. Didn't fornicate, either; that sort of pressure permeates the public school system. I could be in favor of public schooling if they raised their standards, behaved better, and wore standard uniforms. I appreciate certain element's from Japan's take on education.

If you think that Japanese kids don't fornicate and get into trouble with the law, you're nuts.

I don't think I said that...

There does seem to be more modesty and focus on academia in Japanese schools with uniforms, than American public schools. Less peer pressure, too, because students aren't fighting to look better or more sexual than other students. That's more or less the point I was trying to make.

 

[hadit]

Jumping in late to the thread and not having read the whole thing, I may be duplicating someone else's response. So be it.

Given the high success rate of home schooling in producing well educated, well adjusted students, it's awesome when done correctly. My kids attended private school, government school and were home schooled at different times in their lives. Home schooling was the best. We used an on-line accredited curriculum with teachers who evaluated the work our kids uploaded every night, gave them feedback and prepared tests for them. We helped them when they needed it. Like I said, it worked very well. There is very little that a home schooler cannot do today when it comes to educating your kids at home.

 

[Wake]

I fear the day when we can no longer homeschool our children because our children would be forcefully taken away. Germany does this.

 

[Unkotare]

I think I turned out alright under homeschooling. Never got into trouble with the law or felt peer pressure to do the worst and dumbest things out there. Didn't fornicate, either; that sort of pressure permeates the public school system. I could be in favor of public schooling if they raised their standards, behaved better, and wore standard uniforms. I appreciate certain element's from Japan's take on education.

If you think that Japanese kids don't fornicate and get into trouble with the law, you're nuts.

I don't think I said that...

There does seem to be more modesty and focus on academia in Japanese schools with uniforms, than American public schools. Less peer pressure, too, because students aren't fighting to look better or more sexual than other students. That's more or less the point I was trying to make.

The point I was trying to make is that you are mistaken in that belief. Teenagers are teenagers, wherever you go.