thanatos144
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I exchange my ideas.... You just dont like the the language I use. Sorry but I am not into the whole fascist thing.
Homeschooling: Your Views, Please
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I exchange my ideas.... You just dont like the the language I use. Sorry but I am not into the whole fascist thing.
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In my opinion you could exchange them far better. In fact, I think if you stopped using generic insults and unqualified statements while focusing on bolstering the data behind your arguments I honestly think you'd do far better in debate. It's not so much like fascism, like that by some on the Left who want to punish and restrain us from saying what we want. No my friend, it's not that. You're free to say absolutely whatever you want. All I'm humbly asking is that you guys please try to respect one another, while focusing on decimating each others arguments... instead of each other. You can say "**** you, I'll say and attack whatever I want," or "alright, ok, let's try to have a more civil debate." It's your freedom.
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Homeschooling may appeal to folks skeptical about public education, who want to indoctrinate their kids, and who actually have the ability to not work outside the home....
At the same time, the quality of homeschooling his heavily dependent on the skills and availability of the parent that provides it...and that is highly variable. Then there's the socialization issue..
How can u effectively prepare a child for healthy and productive participation in society while isolating her/him from it?
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At the same time, the quality of homeschooling his heavily dependent on the skills and availability of the parent that provides it...and that is highly variable. Then there's the socialization issue..
How can u effectively prepare a child for healthy and productive participation in society while isolating her/him from it?
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I think every case is different. In my case my mother was a stay-at-home mom, and my dad was the breadwinning computer engineer. My mother didn't understand much of the work, and my father spared little time to teach me, so they gave me my books and expected me to figure them out and get it done. Mom was able to grade my work, and dad would help with advanced mathematics and scientifics. My father hated literature, mom loved it, and I eventually warmed up to the beauty of it.
It is variable. That's a fair point. I also agree with you that there is an issue of socialization. However, my contention is that there's a lot of horrible stuff going on in public high schools. Bad influences. Oddly, whenever I see teenage school kids funneling into McDonald's, much of them seem immature and part of the punkish/whiny pot culture. Scrawny tall boys who don't eat much because they smoke pot (trust me, I'v lived with enough people like that to discern it), girls who are extremely naive and craving attention, etc. I didn't and don't need that sort of influence, and am grateful I didn't have to go through it in high school. People with ADHD aren't well-understood by cruel adolescents. And besides that, a lot of young teens are, well... stupid.
Socialization can be found in many different things. Not just high school where you basically roll the roulette on your child's well-being and development.
I daresay indoctrination has become a major part of our public schools.
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I appreciate ur point of view, since I was heavily bullied in my early school years...at the same time, bullies exist in all walks of life, including the world of work...and children need to learn how to deal with bullies and difficult social situations. Protection thru separation may not effectively prepare them for effective social problem solving...not that schools do this effectively either!
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Nothing I said was untrue.
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It's not so much what you believe, but how you convey your message.
People don't usually listen to people who troll others over politics. If your goal is to be heard, which is usually the point of posting on messageboards, how you say what you want to say is important. If a liberal were talking with you on some issue, would you be more receptive if he called you a right-wing moron who sucks on Boosh's teat, or would you be more inclined to listen if he treated you like a fellow human being, with respect, without trying to drag you down or feel like crap?
There's also an issue of tact. Some people really are damned annoying.
However, instead of letting it all hang out it's usually better to restrain yourself. Just imagine if you told your teacher that he was a bald maroon who smelt like kidney beans. It may or may not be important to you, but the way you talk with people does have its merits. Debate, good debate, is about civil understanding. It's hard to have that when each political side is on a seemingly never-ending personal war.
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Debating has nothing to do with what you did there whatsoever. You took an innocent comment that was a positive about teachers and turned it inside out into a negative, injecting your own ingredient (military) that was never part of the original, for no other purpose than trolling and baiting.
So yes, damn right that IS your problem. If that's all you have, you're not even near qualified for debate.
It's not so much what you believe, but how you convey your message.
People don't usually listen to people who troll others over politics. If your goal is to be heard, which is usually the point of posting on messageboards, how you say what you want to say is important. If a liberal were talking with you on some issue, would you be more receptive if he called you a right-wing moron who sucks on Boosh's teat, or would you be more inclined to listen if he treated you like a fellow human being, with respect, without trying to drag you down or feel like crap?
There's also an issue of tact. Some people really are damned annoying.
I would just like to state for the record that I like kidney beans.
--- which I'm sure can be twisted into some kind of eliminationist hack-rant...
thanatos144
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Still hate being shown as wrong dont you? Tell me is being a teacher more Noble then feeding starving children or curing diseases? Saving lives in burning buildings or from a mugging? Protecting your freedom?
I've always had the opinion homeschooling is not a great idea.
Academically, I've always heard that kids do better since they get so much more individual attention.
However, they just don't get that social interaction that a classroom of their peers provides. IMO that interaction is key to providing a well rounded child. For this reason, I just can't recommend homeschooling.
Academically, I've always heard that kids do better since they get so much more individual attention.
However, they just don't get that social interaction that a classroom of their peers provides. IMO that interaction is key to providing a well rounded child. For this reason, I just can't recommend homeschooling.
Good, valid point -- social interaction is arguably more important than the book learning. However just because it doesn't get addressed within the confines of an institution doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Responsible parents see that their kids get that outlet, and more than that, the kids themselves will gravitate to it and only need the avenues open.
As noted before I didn't have the experience of being home schooled but it seems there's no reason to expect it means being shut in full time. If anything it should mean less time would be required to learn the lessons, since there aren't a dozen or two other students to address at the same time, leaving more free time for that social interaction.
Further, not being part of an institutionalized cookie-cutter education factory should arguably produce results that are more allowing of individual creative flourish and less institutional cookie-cutter. Producing an endless line of clones is not a worthy or productive goal.
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It's not so much what you believe, but how you convey your message.
People don't usually listen to people who troll others over politics. If your goal is to be heard, which is usually the point of posting on messageboards, how you say what you want to say is important. If a liberal were talking with you on some issue, would you be more receptive if he called you a right-wing moron who sucks on Boosh's teat, or would you be more inclined to listen if he treated you like a fellow human being, with respect, without trying to drag you down or feel like crap?
There's also an issue of tact. Some people really are damned annoying.
You don't realize that Fred Rogers has already had this conversation with tanatos:
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It's not so much what you believe, but how you convey your message.
People don't usually listen to people who troll others over politics. If your goal is to be heard, which is usually the point of posting on messageboards, how you say what you want to say is important. If a liberal were talking with you on some issue, would you be more receptive if he called you a right-wing moron who sucks on Boosh's teat, or would you be more inclined to listen if he treated you like a fellow human being, with respect, without trying to drag you down or feel like crap?
There's also an issue of tact. Some people really are damned annoying.
You know what I consider trolling? More than one post aimed at making someone change their style of posting to suit you.
Thanatos did not at any time ask you your opinion about how he could better convey his message. Clearly, from his responses, he is wholly uninterested in your advice on phrasing and is quite happy with his own choices of communication. So either deal with it or don't talk to him. Whichever you choose, stop boring everyone with your control-freak drivel on the subject.
Be yourself, if that's what you like. Don't assume that makes "yourself" the objective best choice for everyone else to be.
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I think every case is different. In my case my mother was a stay-at-home mom, and my dad was the breadwinning computer engineer. My mother didn't understand much of the work, and my father spared little time to teach me, so they gave me my books and expected me to figure them out and get it done. Mom was able to grade my work, and dad would help with advanced mathematics and scientifics. My father hated literature, mom loved it, and I eventually warmed up to the beauty of it.
It is variable. That's a fair point. I also agree with you that there is an issue of socialization. However, my contention is that there's a lot of horrible stuff going on in public high schools. Bad influences. Oddly, whenever I see teenage school kids funneling into McDonald's, much of them seem immature and part of the punkish/whiny pot culture. Scrawny tall boys who don't eat much because they smoke pot (trust me, I'v lived with enough people like that to discern it), girls who are extremely naive and craving attention, etc. I didn't and don't need that sort of influence, and am grateful I didn't have to go through it in high school. People with ADHD aren't well-understood by cruel adolescents. And besides that, a lot of young teens are, well... stupid.
Socialization can be found in many different things. Not just high school where you basically roll the roulette on your child's well-being and development.
I daresay indoctrination has become a major part of our public schools.
Meh.
Obviously there are always exceptions: Some kids will do very well under ANY circumstances.
I'm pretty familiar with almost every aspect of Texas and Colorado public schools as an administrator, teacher, father, husband-of-teacher, and of course having attended them in Hawaii, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas.
They are PUBLIC schools, meaning that the exposure is to quite a wide range of people, many of whom you would not choose to encounter otherwise: And I'm only talking about the teachers!
The common denominator for educational success is not really the quality of the school, but a family's commitment to learning. You can take a Vietnamese (or Polish, or Indian or Haitian or Mexican or Nigerian) kid right off the boat, throw him into any school in the USA, and he WILL SUCCEED despite the odds, not because the teachers were either unionized or not, or paid more or less, or the equipment included the best technology had to offer, or because ACT scores were higher, or because most other students were the same race, but because the kid wanted to please his parents, and the parents valued learning. If you accomplish this, then your kid will learn at home, at public school, or in a tin shack.
thanatos144
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I think every case is different. In my case my mother was a stay-at-home mom, and my dad was the breadwinning computer engineer. My mother didn't understand much of the work, and my father spared little time to teach me, so they gave me my books and expected me to figure them out and get it done. Mom was able to grade my work, and dad would help with advanced mathematics and scientifics. My father hated literature, mom loved it, and I eventually warmed up to the beauty of it.
It is variable. That's a fair point. I also agree with you that there is an issue of socialization. However, my contention is that there's a lot of horrible stuff going on in public high schools. Bad influences. Oddly, whenever I see teenage school kids funneling into McDonald's, much of them seem immature and part of the punkish/whiny pot culture. Scrawny tall boys who don't eat much because they smoke pot (trust me, I'v lived with enough people like that to discern it), girls who are extremely naive and craving attention, etc. I didn't and don't need that sort of influence, and am grateful I didn't have to go through it in high school. People with ADHD aren't well-understood by cruel adolescents. And besides that, a lot of young teens are, well... stupid.
Socialization can be found in many different things. Not just high school where you basically roll the roulette on your child's well-being and development.
I daresay indoctrination has become a major part of our public schools.
Meh.
Obviously there are always exceptions: Some kids will do very well under ANY circumstances.
I'm pretty familiar with almost every aspect of Texas and Colorado public schools as an administrator, teacher, father, husband-of-teacher, and of course having attended them in Hawaii, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas.
They are PUBLIC schools, meaning that the exposure is to quite a wide range of people, many of whom you would not choose to encounter otherwise: And I'm only talking about the teachers!
The common denominator for educational success is not really the quality of the school, but a family's commitment to learning. You can take a Vietnamese (or Polish, or Indian or Haitian or Mexican or Nigerian) kid right off the boat, throw him into any school in the USA, and he WILL SUCCEED despite the odds, not because the teachers were either unionized or not, or paid more or less, or the equipment included the best technology had to offer, or because ACT scores were higher, or because most other students were the same race, but because the kid wanted to please his parents, and the parents valued learning. If you accomplish this, then your kid will learn at home, at public school, or in a tin shack.
So we don't need teachers in your view
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I think every case is different. In my case my mother was a stay-at-home mom, and my dad was the breadwinning computer engineer. My mother didn't understand much of the work, and my father spared little time to teach me, so they gave me my books and expected me to figure them out and get it done. Mom was able to grade my work, and dad would help with advanced mathematics and scientifics. My father hated literature, mom loved it, and I eventually warmed up to the beauty of it.
It is variable. That's a fair point. I also agree with you that there is an issue of socialization. However, my contention is that there's a lot of horrible stuff going on in public high schools. Bad influences. Oddly, whenever I see teenage school kids funneling into McDonald's, much of them seem immature and part of the punkish/whiny pot culture. Scrawny tall boys who don't eat much because they smoke pot (trust me, I'v lived with enough people like that to discern it), girls who are extremely naive and craving attention, etc. I didn't and don't need that sort of influence, and am grateful I didn't have to go through it in high school. People with ADHD aren't well-understood by cruel adolescents. And besides that, a lot of young teens are, well... stupid.
Socialization can be found in many different things. Not just high school where you basically roll the roulette on your child's well-being and development.
I daresay indoctrination has become a major part of our public schools.
Meh.
Obviously there are always exceptions: Some kids will do very well under ANY circumstances.
I'm pretty familiar with almost every aspect of Texas and Colorado public schools as an administrator, teacher, father, husband-of-teacher, and of course having attended them in Hawaii, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas.
They are PUBLIC schools, meaning that the exposure is to quite a wide range of people, many of whom you would not choose to encounter otherwise: And I'm only talking about the teachers!
The common denominator for educational success is not really the quality of the school, but a family's commitment to learning. You can take a Vietnamese (or Polish, or Indian or Haitian or Mexican or Nigerian) kid right off the boat, throw him into any school in the USA, and he WILL SUCCEED despite the odds, not because the teachers were either unionized or not, or paid more or less, or the equipment included the best technology had to offer, or because ACT scores were higher, or because most other students were the same race, but because the kid wanted to please his parents, and the parents valued learning. If you accomplish this, then your kid will learn at home, at public school, or in a tin shack.
So we don't need teachers in your view
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By "we" I assume you mean the both of us.
No, I don't think any teacher could really help you much.
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