Homeschooling: Your Views, Please

[P@triot]

You're the one who made the blanket and stupid statement cat toy, I'm simply pointing that out. Obviously society has a role to play in how you raise your children. We set the rules eh, and enforce them if you break them. The interest of the State in children is well established law, which you pretend does not exist.

The same LAWS apply to adults too genius. Having laws does not mean you somehow are magically vested with the power to raise other people's children how you see fit....

The fact that you could not back up your absurd statement here is a clear indication of far your stretching to support your indefensible position that you want to control other people's children (most likely because you're incapable of finding a woman desperate enough to mate with you).

Nothing absurd about it at all there cat toy. It's the same logic that allows the State to take an interest in the developing fetus, at some point.

There's a difference between "owning" something and being "responsible" for something. Parents are "responsible" for their children, unless we terminate their parental rights, which we have the "right" to do, but they do not "own" them to do with as they please. Society has a very strong interest in how you raise your children which is why we set the boundaries and you'd best stay within them or the State will step in hard. The fact that we can do so is well-known, to most.

You just defeated your own argument genius. Society does not "own" children. And they don't even have a responsibility for them (only a communist asshat believes that).

But a parent does own their children. Society has no interest in how I raise my children, and even if they did, that interest does not extend the right to interfere in how I raise my children.

And there is no "we" genius. You don't even have the power to take my garbage to my curb (a job I am certain you would be unqualified for anyway). I love how people like you sit on your couch and pretend to be empowered because you feel so impotent in your own life.

A judge can issue a court-order to remove a child from a home if laws were broken. But that is not you chief - you are not a judge. You have no power. You're an impotent little man desperate to feel like you're a somebody. So you post absurd stuff like "we can take you're children". Until you become a judge, there is no "we". It is THEY can issue a court-order. You're dumb ass can only sit on your couch and read about it in your newspaper.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

But you don't deal in reality - you only deal in ideology.

Actually the ideology is yours. He lives in the real world where children are no longer property, to be done with as you see fit and only as you see fit. That's ideology.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You just defeated your own argument genius. Society does not "own" children. And they don't even have a responsibility for them (only a communist asshat believes that).

You were DOA right there. It's your ideology yet again.

And Society doesn't "own" them, they aren't property, but society is also "responsible" for them which is why we (society) take your children away from you when you abuse them. See how that works? It's the real world, not ideology.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe it's worth noting that the first half of my saga was not in a public school but a religious one. That might have made a difference, but I never got to find out.

And that is one of my biggest objections to home schooling

Parents are great. They have the biggest influence on your life

But should they be the ONLY influence? Teachers are experts in their fields in spite of how much the rightwing demeans them. I had teachers who traveled the world, teachers who had extensively studied history, Mathmatics and science.....my parents had not
I had teachers with different political views, teachers of different races and religions, teachers who broadened my horizons

I am a better person for it

Who in the hell are you to decide that? If you want to make that decision, have your own children and then you can let as many people as you want influence them. But you have no business, no authority, and absolutely no rights by any law giving you the power to decide that a parent shouldn't be the only influence on their child. If that's what they want, that's their right as parents.

Furthermore, Barack Obama has a degree from Harvard, has traveled the world, and has "extensively studied" marxism. And he is the most incompetent, unqualified buffoon to ever sit in the White House.

A degree does not mean you are qualified for shit. It just means that you passed tests by the institution which issued you the degree (and sometimes it doesn't even mean that - just ask all of the athletes like Dexter Manley who were greased by just to keep playing football).

But you don't deal in reality - you only deal in ideology.

You never fail in demonstrating you are on of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is warranted

 

[rightwinger]

You just defeated your own argument genius. Society does not "own" children. And they don't even have a responsibility for them (only a communist asshat believes that).

You were DOA right there. It's your ideology yet again.

And Society doesn't "own" them, they aren't property, but society is also "responsible" for them which is why we (society) take your children away from you when you abuse them. See how that works? It's the real world, not ideology.

This is the same attitude of parents who used to beat their children, parents who were abusive, parents who refused to educate their children

They are my children and they are none of your business

 

[P@triot]

And that is one of my biggest objections to home schooling

Parents are great. They have the biggest influence on your life

But should they be the ONLY influence? Teachers are experts in their fields in spite of how much the rightwing demeans them. I had teachers who traveled the world, teachers who had extensively studied history, Mathmatics and science.....my parents had not
I had teachers with different political views, teachers of different races and religions, teachers who broadened my horizons

I am a better person for it

Who in the hell are you to decide that? If you want to make that decision, have your own children and then you can let as many people as you want influence them. But you have no business, no authority, and absolutely no rights by any law giving you the power to decide that a parent shouldn't be the only influence on their child. If that's what they want, that's their right as parents.

Furthermore, Barack Obama has a degree from Harvard, has traveled the world, and has "extensively studied" marxism. And he is the most incompetent, unqualified buffoon to ever sit in the White House.

A degree does not mean you are qualified for shit. It just means that you passed tests by the institution which issued you the degree (and sometimes it doesn't even mean that - just ask all of the athletes like Dexter Manley who were greased by just to keep playing football).

But you don't deal in reality - you only deal in ideology.

You never fail in demonstrating you are on of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is warranted

That's only because no further response is possible - since you're incapable of supporting your position. There's a reason you lashed out - you're angry at your inability to dispute what I stated. Hell, you can't even illustrate a single point to support your statement that I am an "ignorant" poster because I'm running circles around you with facts.

 

[P@triot]

You just defeated your own argument genius. Society does not "own" children. And they don't even have a responsibility for them (only a communist asshat believes that).

You were DOA right there. It's your ideology yet again.

And Society doesn't "own" them, they aren't property, but society is also "responsible" for them which is why we (society) take your children away from you when you abuse them. See how that works? It's the real world, not ideology.

No, society is not "responsible" for them. And society doesn't own them.

Society doesn't take abused children away because they are "responsible for them" any more than society imprisons a rapist because society is "responsible" for grown women. They do it because we have laws and violating those laws results in consequences.

One has to wonder why you are so hell bent on being "responsible" for other people's children? Frankly, it's quite creepy and can only lead to one conclusion by a rational person...

 

[P@triot]

You just defeated your own argument genius. Society does not "own" children. And they don't even have a responsibility for them (only a communist asshat believes that).

You were DOA right there. It's your ideology yet again.

And Society doesn't "own" them, they aren't property, but society is also "responsible" for them which is why we (society) take your children away from you when you abuse them. See how that works? It's the real world, not ideology.

This is the same attitude of parents who used to beat their children, parents who were abusive, parents who refused to educate their children

They are my children and they are none of your business

Bingo! You're almost on the verge of joining the rest of us in reality RW. We have laws, and those laws result in the consequences outlined within those laws. But that still doesn't mean that someone else's children are your business. What is your business is the fact that a law was broken.

It's hilarious that a liberals only response to wanting to control other people's children is "but what about when a children is abused or starved"? They are trying to take something unrelated (illegal activity) and apply it to their desire to dictate to someone else' children how they should be raised (the raising of children is a legal activity).

Someone else's children is none of your business. Someone else's job is none of your business. Someone else's property is none of your business. Someone else's finances are none of your business.

The only thing that is your business is the law. If there is illegal activity, then it is your business (which is why all of that is public record). So if a child is not being abused, how they are raised is NONE of your business.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[rightwinger]

You were DOA right there. It's your ideology yet again.

And Society doesn't "own" them, they aren't property, but society is also "responsible" for them which is why we (society) take your children away from you when you abuse them. See how that works? It's the real world, not ideology.

This is the same attitude of parents who used to beat their children, parents who were abusive, parents who refused to educate their children

They are my children and they are none of your business

Bingo! You're almost on the verge of joining the rest of us in reality RW. We have laws, and those laws result in the consequences outlined within those laws. But that still doesn't mean that someone else's children are your business. What is your business is the fact that a law was broken.

It's hilarious that a liberals only response to wanting to control other people's children is "but what about when a children is abused or starved"? They are trying to take something unrelated (illegal activity) and apply it to their desire to dictate to someone else' children how they should be raised (the raising of children is a legal activity).

Someone else's children is none of your business. Someone else's job is none of your business. Someone else's property is none of your business. Someone else's finances are none of your business.

The only thing that is your business is the law. If there is illegal activity, then it is your business (which is why all of that is public record). So if a child is not being abused, how they are raised is NONE of your business.

Game. Set. Match.

You never fail in demonstrating you are one of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is warranted

 

[P@triot]

And Dumb assed conservatives interpreted it as.......Hillary wants the Government to raise your children

The key is that parents are not in it alone. Ideally, your neighbors look out for the well being of your child, so is your local community concerned with them

But beyond that, your state and federal government are concerned with their health and educational opportunities.

The Communist Manifesto parroted once again...

Ideally, your neighbors should mind their own ******* business and not worry about what you are doing unless you have a beneficial, mutual understanding otherwise.

In my development, there is a large number of us with children the same age. Because of that fact and the fact that we have forged a friendship over time, we all help each other in an endless myriad of ways. But we do this of of our own free will and out of a mutual understanding. Not because of the unconstitutional communist manifesto ramblings of a radical bureaucrat in Washington.

I'm kinda jumping in the middle without reading back but.... it occurs to me that when you keep citing "communist manifesto" you're treading dangerously close to a truism:

"Communism" is related to community -- meaning related to the greater cultural whole. Community is a sense that has been lost in our culture, especially since we've been channeled into individual home boxes each with its individual boob tube, the whole cultural emphasis having shifted to individual/competition and away from community/cooperation. That's only happened in the last half-century, and it's cultural poison. Having a community around builds strong and confident members of that community without pitting them against each other in eternal boxes of isolation.

I see the phrase "it takes a village" quoted earlier; that's what it means to this observer.

History has proven you wrong. The U.S. Constitution has proven you wrong. And highly successful people have proven you wrong...

“My daughter, Dakota Root, was homeschooled here in Las Vegas. Dakota scored perfect SAT scores of 800 in reading and writing. She was a National Merit Scholar and Presidential Scholar nominee. She was accepted by many of this nation’s finest universities including Harvard, Stanford, Duke, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Chicago, Virginia, and Cal-Berkeley. She actually had the confidence to turn down an early admissions offer from Yale before she had gotten any of her other acceptances. My kid turned down Yale!

At Harvard, she has earned straight As and the John Harvard award for being in the top 5 percent of her class. Today she attends Oxford University in England. Harvard and Oxford are rated as the best colleges in the world.13 Dakota is a scholar and an athlete. Fencing for the elite Harvard team, she earned Second Team All-Ivy League honors. I am proud to say Dakota is among the best and brightest ever produced by the great state of Nevada. She represents what all of us hope and pray for our children.

What makes Dakota’s story so remarkable is that she was educated in the same city (Las Vegas) that produces some of the worst public education results in America. So how did it happen? What was in the water at the Root household? Can others learn from Dakota’s story? Can others replicate her remarkable Homeschool to Harvard story? YES they can!

It doesn’t take a village... or a government... or a teachers’ union to raise a child—it takes a mother and father who give a damn.”

(Note that the sentence bolded above is exactly how it appears in the pages Wayne Allen Root's book - it was bolded to stand out just like it appears here).

Excerpt From: Wayne Allyn Root. “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide.” Regnery Publishing, 2013-03-26. iBooks.
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[P@triot]

This is the same attitude of parents who used to beat their children, parents who were abusive, parents who refused to educate their children

They are my children and they are none of your business

Bingo! You're almost on the verge of joining the rest of us in reality RW. We have laws, and those laws result in the consequences outlined within those laws. But that still doesn't mean that someone else's children are your business. What is your business is the fact that a law was broken.

It's hilarious that a liberals only response to wanting to control other people's children is "but what about when a children is abused or starved"? They are trying to take something unrelated (illegal activity) and apply it to their desire to dictate to someone else' children how they should be raised (the raising of children is a legal activity).

Someone else's children is none of your business. Someone else's job is none of your business. Someone else's property is none of your business. Someone else's finances are none of your business.

The only thing that is your business is the law. If there is illegal activity, then it is your business (which is why all of that is public record). So if a child is not being abused, how they are raised is NONE of your business.

Game. Set. Match.

You never fail in demonstrating you are one of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is warranted

And yet you keep responding....

The reality is, you keep saying that only because no further response is possible - since you're incapable of supporting your position. There's a reason you lashed out - you're angry at your inability to dispute what I stated. Hell, you can't even illustrate a single point to support your statement that I am an "ignorant" poster because I'm running circles around you with facts.

 

[rightwinger]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

 

[P@triot]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

First of all, how do you know that since you weren't homeschooled? Your parents may have inspired you sooner and further. In fact, the way you describe this guy, he didn't inspire you at all. He wasn't friendly - you said you were scared of him. So basically, you were just drawn to math and it clicked.

Second of all, what business is it of yours anyway? If a kid doesn't get inspired because he was homeschooled, that certainly isn't your concern.

 

[rightwinger]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

First of all, how do you know that since you weren't homeschooled? Your parents may have inspired you sooner and further. In fact, the way you describe this guy, he didn't inspire you at all. He wasn't friendly - you said you were scared of him. So basically, you were just drawn to math and it clicked.

Second of all, what business is it of yours anyway? If a kid doesn't get inspired because he was homeschooled, that certainly isn't your concern.

You never fail in demonstrating you are one of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is required

 

[deltex1]

Do both. Educating your child is a 24/7 duty...every conversation...every observation...every situation.

 

[P@triot]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

First of all, how do you know that since you weren't homeschooled? Your parents may have inspired you sooner and further. In fact, the way you describe this guy, he didn't inspire you at all. He wasn't friendly - you said you were scared of him. So basically, you were just drawn to math and it clicked.

Second of all, what business is it of yours anyway? If a kid doesn't get inspired because he was homeschooled, that certainly isn't your concern.

You never fail in demonstrating you are one of the more ignorant posters on the board

No further response is required

This is fall down hilarious. At no point does RW indicate that "Lee Krish" took an interest in him. At no point does RW indicate that "Lee Krish" took took him aside and inspired him with some encouragement or kind words. At no point does RW indicate that "Lee Krish" offered extra assistance to him.

In fact, he pretty much illustrated everything that could possibly be wrong with a public school teacher (he said the man didn't even smile or acknowledge them to start the class). And yet, despite giving ZERO indication that Mr. "Lee Kish" ever did a damn thing positive (even smile), RW wants to give "Lee Kish" all the credit for RW's interest in math (despite admitting that Lee did nothing to spur that interest).

Basically RW was desperate for a story to support a position that he's been thus far, incapable of supporting. And he still hasn't explained how ensuring that a child is "inspired" by anyone other than their parents is any concern of his.

 

[deltex1]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

Who was your spelling teacher?

 

[P@triot]

Let me tell you about Lee Krish....

I was OK in Arithmatic but I struggled in seventh and eighth grade with more advanced Mathmatics. Lee Krish was my Ninth Grade Algebra teacher.

It was 1970 and Krish dressed in a suit and still wore a flat top haircut. Yes, he wore a pocket protector. I never saw him smile. He never started a class with a hello or an acknowledgement we were there. He would stand up and start writing on the blackboard in chalk. You had better keep up because he would spin around and challenge you to come to the board.
I was scared to death of him
The first two marking periods, I struggled. But then something strange happened......I got it. I understood Algebra. I got to the New York State Regents Algebra exam and scored 100.
From that point on, I got advanced Mathematics
I went on to College and became an engineer. It was not till I was in my 30s that I figured how much the hated Mr Krish influenced my future

I love my parents, but if I was homeschooled, I never would have "got it ". My parents could have taught me, but they never would have sparked my interest in Mathmatics.

Who was your spelling teacher?

We're still waiting to see what Lee Krish did to "spark" his interest in math. Thus far, he been unable to articulate that (which is what happens when you make shit up).

 

[JFK_USA]

I am for homeschooling IF the proper subjects are being taught.

I am from Missouri where the film "Jesus Camp" was largely based and I remember seeing that lesson on science that kid was getting and it was appalling. How that is considered science education is ridiculous.

You don't get to change Pythagoras' theory or Evolution because it might be blasphemous to your religion. The facts are the facts and that's what children should be taught. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

Still trying to figure out how you calculate that it's any of YOUR business to decide "the proper subjects" for OTHER people's children.

Lemme break it down for you, chum. If you weren't in the delivery room either sweating to squirt that kid out, or having your hand broken by the person squirting the kid out, you don't have a vote. It's none of your business. Butt the hell out and go produce and raise your own rugrats.

Case closed.

We have a social responsibility to ensure that our children have a proper education.

Public education works. The problem is people don't want to properly fund it or even question the fundamentals of the subject without even a basic understanding of the subject. Rottweiler was adamantly against science but fails to understand the basics of science. The basics of science and the scientific method is to question everything to get to ultimate certainty. Those things he mentioned were true, but instead of accepting the words of those who came before as gospel like religion does, others came along and questioned it and through experimentation, writing peer reviewed articles and more experimentation found a new way to understand the difference between causation and correlation.

To Rottweiler, that means science is always wrong and scientists are arrogant. In fact, that is what science is. Constant questioning and poking holes through all explanations to get to what the true facts are and then test it over and over again to see if you get the same results.

When people in those films and Rottweiler constantly belittle the achievements of established science, it makes us as a nation look stupid. We are falling way behind other nations because they do know the basics of these subjects and they understand the difference between healthy skepticism and outright denial that many homeschool parents do towards science.

So to end this part of the dialogue. I am for homeschooling if the proper subjects are being taught in the proper way. Saying Evolution is wrong because God says so is not a proper criticism.

 

[thanatos144]

No offense to teachers, the absolutely most noble profession, but I wish home schooling had been an option. I hated every minute of school from literally the first day of first grade to the day of HS graduation. Loathed, detested, pick your verb. It's a cookie cutter factory that squelches creativity, destroys personality and visits authoritarian bullshit on innocent children that never needed it. It grinds out obedient drones of lobotomized character and traumatized psyche. I never want to go through another experience like that as long as I live.

So uh, I guess I vote "yes".

Most Noble profession???? Even more so then laying down your life for your freedom???? Oh yea I forget I am talking to a progressive, they hates soldiers