Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg ?

[PoliticalChic]

Let's be clear what PC's position is here:

Ethel Rosenberg was guilty and it is impossible that additional evidence could ever turn up that would cast doubt on that conviction.

...that of course, is an irrational point of view.

Wait and see.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Ethel was innocent and a victum of the rightwing red scare

She was executed because she refused to testify against her husband

Here.....let me set you up before I knock you over:


4. Once one recognizes that the Left controls.....controls.....the media.....one looks at statements such as these with a more wary eye...

"The Guardian proclaimed that these words “could upend the notion that Ethel Rosenberg was guilty of espionage.”

Politico explained that Greenglass’s statement “minimizes her role in the spying operations of her husband, Julius Rosenberg, furthering public incredulity about her actual guilt and subsequent execution.”

NPR told listeners that at the trial, Greenglass “put Ethel at the center of the conspiracy. The documents released today show it was [his wife] Ruth who played a far more pivotal role.”

An AP story says that the transcript showed “Greenglass never implicated his sister.”

Sam Roberts in theNew York Timeswrites that the transcript “provides supporting evidence to Mrs. Rosenberg’s defenders, who believe that she was unfairly convicted.”



The transcript, taken by itself and out of context, could lead to this conclusion, but only if one lacks knowledge about the case." Grasping at Straws to Try to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg


Note the last quote......"if one lacks knowledge..."

Pretty much the description of Liberal when it comes to reality, truth, and history.
And your schools work to keep things that way.

Which media outlets have now editorially, unequivocally, proclaimed their position to be that Ethel Rosenberg was innocent?

Don't equivocate.....
Go look up the meaning of 'equivocate'.....



See what the meaning is behind the following:

"The Guardian proclaimed that these words “could upend the notion that Ethel Rosenberg was guilty of espionage.”

Politico explained that Greenglass’s statement “minimizes her role in the spying operations of her husband, Julius Rosenberg, furthering public incredulity about her actual guilt and subsequent execution.”

NPR told listeners that at the trial, Greenglass “put Ethel at the center of the conspiracy. The documents released today show it was [his wife] Ruth who played a far more pivotal role.”

An AP story says that the transcript showed “Greenglass never implicated his sister.”

Sam Roberts in theNew York Timeswrites that the transcript “provides supporting evidence to Mrs. Rosenberg’s defenders, who believe that she was unfairly convicted.”

Are they lying about what appears in the transcript?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's be clear what PC's position is here:

Ethel Rosenberg was guilty and it is impossible that additional evidence could ever turn up that would cast doubt on that conviction.

...that of course, is an irrational point of view.

Wait and see.

So you concede that you've taken an irrational position. Okay, well, that's novel.

 

[rightwinger]

Ethel was innocent and a victum of the rightwing red scare

She was executed because she refused to testify against her husband

Here.....let me set you up before I knock you over:


4. Once one recognizes that the Left controls.....controls.....the media.....one looks at statements such as these with a more wary eye...

"The Guardian proclaimed that these words “could upend the notion that Ethel Rosenberg was guilty of espionage.”

Politico explained that Greenglass’s statement “minimizes her role in the spying operations of her husband, Julius Rosenberg, furthering public incredulity about her actual guilt and subsequent execution.”

NPR told listeners that at the trial, Greenglass “put Ethel at the center of the conspiracy. The documents released today show it was [his wife] Ruth who played a far more pivotal role.”

An AP story says that the transcript showed “Greenglass never implicated his sister.”

Sam Roberts in theNew York Timeswrites that the transcript “provides supporting evidence to Mrs. Rosenberg’s defenders, who believe that she was unfairly convicted.”



The transcript, taken by itself and out of context, could lead to this conclusion, but only if one lacks knowledge about the case." Grasping at Straws to Try to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg


Note the last quote......"if one lacks knowledge..."

Pretty much the description of Liberal when it comes to reality, truth, and history.
And your schools work to keep things that way.

Once one recognizes that the Left controls.....controls.....the media.....one looks at statements such as these with a more wary
eye...

All I needed to read......Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Had you not responded to schooling in the same way, you'd be a conservative......and your avi would be the truth.

Giving up so early on your own thread?

What a weak defense

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. Control of the schools and the media by the Left has had a profound effect.....and not one for the better.


Precisely 65,915,796 members of the American electorate gave tacit testimony to the fact that totalitarianism has won over the aims and values of what was once the greatest, noblest endeavor in human history, the United States, the one envisioned by our Founders.

Those millions voted in favor of Barack Obama, the latest proponent of "an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’" (Goldberg)



Remember that communism, Karl Marx, goes back to mid19th century....and took over Russia early in the 20 century.Not long after, it had cells and well organized branches in almost every western nation.

From the start, they knew the value of psychological indoctrination.

Victor Kravchenko, the first Soviet “defector.” On April 1, 1944, Victor Kravchenko left Washington for New York, where, at a press conference arranged by the NYTimes, he revealed the truth about the Soviet Union. Two years later he published “I Chose Freedom,” which played a crucial role in the formation of public opinion in the formation of the incipient Cold War. Defectors like Kravchenko faced the same sort of barrage that McCarthy did later…and for the same reasons.

a. Kravchenko wrote; '...even the most gigantic lie, by dint of infinite repetition, takes root; Stalin knew this before Hitler discovered it. ... I could see terrible falsehoods, at first accepted under pressure, become established as unquestioned "facts," particularly among younger people without personal experience to the contrary to bother them."
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b. "Something very much like it did happen here, and is still happening, from the schoolroom, where 'political correctness' dictates curriculum, to the workplace where 'sensitivity training' conditions behavioral and thought patterns that didn't take hold back in the schoolroom." West, "American Betrayal," p. 73-74.


For comparison, the Founders, those classical liberals, known today as conservatives, centered their views on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

One won't hear praise of those concepts in the schools or the media.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's be clear what PC's position is here:

Ethel Rosenberg was guilty and it is impossible that additional evidence could ever turn up that would cast doubt on that conviction.

...that of course, is an irrational point of view.

Wait and see.

So you concede that you've taken an irrational position. Okay, well, that's novel.

So THAT'S why you're known as the NYLiar!!!

 

[rightwinger]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

 

[rightwinger]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ethel was innocent and a victum of the rightwing red scare

She was executed because she refused to testify against her husband

Here.....let me set you up before I knock you over:


4. Once one recognizes that the Left controls.....controls.....the media.....one looks at statements such as these with a more wary eye...

"The Guardian proclaimed that these words “could upend the notion that Ethel Rosenberg was guilty of espionage.”

Politico explained that Greenglass’s statement “minimizes her role in the spying operations of her husband, Julius Rosenberg, furthering public incredulity about her actual guilt and subsequent execution.”

NPR told listeners that at the trial, Greenglass “put Ethel at the center of the conspiracy. The documents released today show it was [his wife] Ruth who played a far more pivotal role.”

An AP story says that the transcript showed “Greenglass never implicated his sister.”

Sam Roberts in theNew York Timeswrites that the transcript “provides supporting evidence to Mrs. Rosenberg’s defenders, who believe that she was unfairly convicted.”



The transcript, taken by itself and out of context, could lead to this conclusion, but only if one lacks knowledge about the case." Grasping at Straws to Try to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg


Note the last quote......"if one lacks knowledge..."

Pretty much the description of Liberal when it comes to reality, truth, and history.
And your schools work to keep things that way.

Which media outlets have now editorially, unequivocally, proclaimed their position to be that Ethel Rosenberg was innocent?

Don't equivocate.....
Go look up the meaning of 'equivocate'.....



See what the meaning is behind the following:

"The Guardian proclaimed that these words “could upend the notion that Ethel Rosenberg was guilty of espionage.”

Politico explained that Greenglass’s statement “minimizes her role in the spying operations of her husband, Julius Rosenberg, furthering public incredulity about her actual guilt and subsequent execution.”

NPR told listeners that at the trial, Greenglass “put Ethel at the center of the conspiracy. The documents released today show it was [his wife] Ruth who played a far more pivotal role.”

An AP story says that the transcript showed “Greenglass never implicated his sister.”

Sam Roberts in theNew York Timeswrites that the transcript “provides supporting evidence to Mrs. Rosenberg’s defenders, who believe that she was unfairly convicted.”

Are they lying about what appears in the transcript?

"Are they lying about what appears in the transcript?"

As is your area of expertise, you know well that there are many ways to lie......

6. How to explain the weak "evidence" that the media points to in early testimony by David Greenglass, testimony that seemingly exonerates Ethel Greenglass Rosenberg?

Here's how:


"... at the early stage of his arrest David Greenglass was desperately trying to protect his sister and to convince the government to leave her out of the indictment. We also know that when he first went for legal advice, he even left Julius out of his confession.


.... other evidence outside of this transcript that points to her serious involvement in the espionage of the Soviet network her husband ran. Even in other parts of the same transcript, largely ignored in the press reports, Greenglass has his sister Ethel present and knowledgeable, as when he says she was present at a meeting with Julius and a courier for his group,Ann Sidorovich.

Hard evidence for Ethel’s guilt can be found in the Venona decrypts of KGB messages to its operatives in the U.S., and in the notebooks of KGB files meticulously copied in the 1990s byAlexander Vassiliev,who fled Russia in 1996 and had them smuggled into London." Grasping at Straws to Try to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

 

[rightwinger]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

 

[rightwinger]

There is little doubt that the media had a role in the execution of Ethel Rosenberg. They were caught up in the red scare. They bought the notion that the Rosenbergs were public enemy number one and were the reason that Russia got the bomb

Someone had to pay and it looked like the Rosenbergs would end up footing the blame

Had the media actually questioned the lack of evidence and looked at the Rosenbergs role in the big picture, they never would have been executed

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

 

[PoliticalChic]

The term 'red scare' is meant to whitewash the fact that Stalin's paid agents were running the Roosevelt administration.
It's akin to calling the London Fire of 1666 the 'fire scare.'
The fire "consumed 13,200 houses, 87 parish churches, St Paul's Cathedral and most of the buildings of the City authorities. It is estimated to have destroyed the homes of 70,000 of the City's 80,000 inhabitants."
Great Fire of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A perfect comparison with communism.


One spy, in fact, was actually living in the White House.

No...not renting the Lincoln Bedroom, as under the corrupt Clinton administration...

....actually LIVING IN the White House.

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

"Although the Rosenbergs had defenders who pleaded that they were innocent, or at least severely misunderstood, most of them fell silent when the National Security Agency twenty years ago declassified its VENONA project, a top secret code-breaking effort that revealed numerous 1940’s secrets of Soviet espionage against the United States. The unveiling of VENONA, one of the great triumphs of American intelligence, also revealed why Federal prosecutors were so confident in their prosecution of especially Julius Rosenberg.

VENONA transcripts made clear that Julius, who appeared in the messages under the Soviet covernames LIBERAL and ANTENNA, wasn’t just a Stalinist true-believer but an important agent of the Soviet secret police who gave Moscow every American secret he could get his hands on.

VENONA made very clear what Ethel was up to.

Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on 27 November 1944, is worth citing in detail (for the original seehere):

To VIKTOR .

Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERAL’s [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well developed politically. Knows about her husband’s work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.

ANTON [xi]

Notes: [a] Not available

Comments:
VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGB’s New York rezident].


This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was witting of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust."
The Rosenbergs and Espionage Denial







When you give up, just shout "Uncle Joe"

 

[rightwinger]

The media reaction to the Rosenberg case reminds me of the media reaction to the Iraq invasion

They were willing to look the other way ....just so we get the "bad guys"

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

"Although the Rosenbergs had defenders who pleaded that they were innocent, or at least severely misunderstood, most of them fell silent when the National Security Agency twenty years ago declassified its VENONA project, a top secret code-breaking effort that revealed numerous 1940’s secrets of Soviet espionage against the United States. The unveiling of VENONA, one of the great triumphs of American intelligence, also revealed why Federal prosecutors were so confident in their prosecution of especially Julius Rosenberg.

VENONA transcripts made clear that Julius, who appeared in the messages under the Soviet covernames LIBERAL and ANTENNA, wasn’t just a Stalinist true-believer but an important agent of the Soviet secret police who gave Moscow every American secret he could get his hands on.

VENONA made very clear what Ethel was up to.

Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on 27 November 1944, is worth citing in detail (for the original seehere):

To VIKTOR .

Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERAL’s [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well developed politically. Knows about her husband’s work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.

ANTON [xi]

Notes: [a] Not available

Comments:
VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGB’s New York rezident].


This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was witting of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust."
The Rosenbergs and Espionage Denial







When you give up, just shout "Uncle Joe"

Winner, winner chicken dinner!
You delivered what I told you that you would....Namely, nothing about specific espionage by Ethel

"Knows about her husband’s work"
"Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned"
"as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network"

As I said, Ethel was executed for not being a snitch

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The media reaction to the Rosenberg case blah blah blah...."

As mentioned, the Venona decrypts of the KGB prove Ethyl Greeenglass Rosenberg's guilt, and, to give you the benefit of the doubt....your gullibility.



The NSA explains the importance of the Venona decrypts....

7. "VENONA
The U.S. Army's Signal Intelligence Service, the precursor to the National Security Agency, began a secret program in February 1943 later codenamed VENONA. The mission of this small program was to examine and exploit Soviet diplomatic communications but after the program began, the message traffic included espionage efforts as well.

Although it took almost two years before American cryptologists were able to break the KGB encryption, the information gained through these transactions provided U.S. leadership insight into Soviet intentions and treasonous activities of government employees until the program was canceled in 1980.

The VENONA files are most famous for exposing Julius (code named LIBERAL) and Ethel Rosenberg and help give indisputable evidence of their involvement with the Soviet spy ring."
Venona - NSA/CSS



Communists and dupes, to this day, deny their guilt.
Raise your paw.

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

"Although the Rosenbergs had defenders who pleaded that they were innocent, or at least severely misunderstood, most of them fell silent when the National Security Agency twenty years ago declassified its VENONA project, a top secret code-breaking effort that revealed numerous 1940’s secrets of Soviet espionage against the United States. The unveiling of VENONA, one of the great triumphs of American intelligence, also revealed why Federal prosecutors were so confident in their prosecution of especially Julius Rosenberg.

VENONA transcripts made clear that Julius, who appeared in the messages under the Soviet covernames LIBERAL and ANTENNA, wasn’t just a Stalinist true-believer but an important agent of the Soviet secret police who gave Moscow every American secret he could get his hands on.

VENONA made very clear what Ethel was up to.

Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on 27 November 1944, is worth citing in detail (for the original seehere):

To VIKTOR .

Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERAL’s [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well developed politically. Knows about her husband’s work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.

ANTON [xi]

Notes: [a] Not available

Comments:
VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGB’s New York rezident].


This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was witting of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust."
The Rosenbergs and Espionage Denial







When you give up, just shout "Uncle Joe"

Winner, winner chicken dinner!
You delivered what I told you that you would....Namely, nothing about specific espionage by Ethel

"Knows about her husband’s work"
"Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned"
"as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network"

As I said, Ethel was executed for not being a snitch

Ooooo......you poor 'ol thing, you.

KGB identified Ethel as a willing participant in the spy ring.

Cut 'n' Paste just shredded you!!!


I have more if you want it.....say the word.....

...or, scream 'Uncle Joe'

 

[rightwinger]

The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels involvement

Her only crime was failing to snitch on her husband. She was offered leniency and warned that her children would be orphans if she didn't provide evidence against her husband

She refused

Of all the key players in the atom bomb scandal:

Klaus Fuchs (scientist who leaked atom bomb secrets): 9 years prison
Harry Gold (person who delivered secrets to Soviets) 16 years prison
Ethel Rosenberg (typist) DEATH

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

"Although the Rosenbergs had defenders who pleaded that they were innocent, or at least severely misunderstood, most of them fell silent when the National Security Agency twenty years ago declassified its VENONA project, a top secret code-breaking effort that revealed numerous 1940’s secrets of Soviet espionage against the United States. The unveiling of VENONA, one of the great triumphs of American intelligence, also revealed why Federal prosecutors were so confident in their prosecution of especially Julius Rosenberg.

VENONA transcripts made clear that Julius, who appeared in the messages under the Soviet covernames LIBERAL and ANTENNA, wasn’t just a Stalinist true-believer but an important agent of the Soviet secret police who gave Moscow every American secret he could get his hands on.

VENONA made very clear what Ethel was up to.

Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on 27 November 1944, is worth citing in detail (for the original seehere):

To VIKTOR .

Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERAL’s [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well developed politically. Knows about her husband’s work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.

ANTON [xi]

Notes: [a] Not available

Comments:
VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGB’s New York rezident].


This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was witting of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust."
The Rosenbergs and Espionage Denial







When you give up, just shout "Uncle Joe"

Winner, winner chicken dinner!
You delivered what I told you that you would....Namely, nothing about specific espionage by Ethel

"Knows about her husband’s work"
"Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned"
"as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network"

As I said, Ethel was executed for not being a snitch

Ooooo......you poor 'ol thing, you.

KGB identified Ethel as a willing participant in the spy ring.

Cut 'n' Paste just shredded you!!!


I have more if you want it.....say the word.....

...or, scream 'Uncle Joe'

Oddly, your cut and paste says nothing about Ethel being a "willing participant" ?

Again, you provide no evidence of direct involvement of Ethel

Klaus Fuchs had access to atomic bomb secrets and released them.....9 years
Harry Gold delivered those secrets to the Soviets.....16 years

You have yet to provide any evidence of what Ethel did to deliver secrets to the soviets.....and yet, she was the one who was executed

She was electocuted for refusing to snitch on her husband

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The VENONA transcripts do nothing to detail Ethels (sic) involvement."


I'm starting to worry about you....
Really...your lies are becoming more and more.....diaphanous.


How about I tell you that I can produce a decrypt that does exactly what I have claimed....

....would that crush you....send you back to the home in tears?


...'cause I can.....



Say "Pleezzzzzeee" and I won't.

By all means....provide every piece of evidence you have on Ethels espionage role

I will sit back and wait for you to cut and paste everything you have on Julius

"Although the Rosenbergs had defenders who pleaded that they were innocent, or at least severely misunderstood, most of them fell silent when the National Security Agency twenty years ago declassified its VENONA project, a top secret code-breaking effort that revealed numerous 1940’s secrets of Soviet espionage against the United States. The unveiling of VENONA, one of the great triumphs of American intelligence, also revealed why Federal prosecutors were so confident in their prosecution of especially Julius Rosenberg.

VENONA transcripts made clear that Julius, who appeared in the messages under the Soviet covernames LIBERAL and ANTENNA, wasn’t just a Stalinist true-believer but an important agent of the Soviet secret police who gave Moscow every American secret he could get his hands on.

VENONA made very clear what Ethel was up to.

Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGB’s New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on 27 November 1944, is worth citing in detail (for the original seehere):

To VIKTOR .

Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERAL’s [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well developed politically. Knows about her husband’s work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.

ANTON [xi]

Notes: [a] Not available

Comments:
VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGB’s New York rezident].


This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was witting of her husband’s secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network. Code-phrases such as being “devoted” and “well developed politically” reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust."
The Rosenbergs and Espionage Denial







When you give up, just shout "Uncle Joe"

Winner, winner chicken dinner!
You delivered what I told you that you would....Namely, nothing about specific espionage by Ethel

"Knows about her husband’s work"
"Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned"
"as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network"

As I said, Ethel was executed for not being a snitch

Ooooo......you poor 'ol thing, you.

KGB identified Ethel as a willing participant in the spy ring.

Cut 'n' Paste just shredded you!!!


I have more if you want it.....say the word.....

...or, scream 'Uncle Joe'

Oddly, your cut and paste says nothing about Ethel being a "willing participant" ?

Again, you provide no evidence of direct involvement of Ethel

Klaus Fuchs had access to atomic bomb secrets and released them.....9 years
Harry Gold delivered those secrets to the Soviets.....16 years

You have yet to provide any evidence of what Ethel did to deliver secrets to the soviets.....and yet, she was the one who was executed

She was electocuted for refusing to snitch on her husband

You guys simply lie about everything.

Your post:

"Knows about her husband’s work"
"Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned"
"as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius’ spy network"



She was electrocuted for espionage......she was a spy.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

1. Once upon a time, Americans recognized evil and stood up against it. That was when the nation and its people were guided by the principles in our memorializing documents, the views of our Founders.

Both the fearful conditions of the 30's arranged the 'perfect storm'....which changed all of that. The conditions that sunk the American ship of state....
a. a fearful world-wide economic crisis
b. a charasmatic charlatan
c. control of academia and the media
...produced an America the very opposite of its founding, and one in which the dominant political force included aims no different from that of the Communist Party.




2. A comparison of two individuals highlights the drama, and the downfall of this nation's political elites.
a. Senator Joseph McCarthy, whose real 'crime' was to reveal the danger of communists in our government.
Simple enough to prove that smears against him were lies: simply ask the carping communist dupes, who heap scorn on this American hero, to name those innocent individuals whose lives were 'ruined' by McCarthy.
There are none.

b. Now look at the support for a Soviet spy who made certain that the empire responsible for the slaughter of over 100 million human beings, and the oppression of untold further millions, gained the secrets to produce an Atomic Bomb......the Rosenberg spies....
" Trying to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg
Grasping at Straws to Try to Exonerate Ethel Rosenberg



3. " ....the testimony that convinced the jury to reach a verdict of guilty was that provided by Ethel Rosenberg’s brother, David Greenglass. ....a lawsuit brought by the National Security Archive and historians and journalists—the federal court in New York City released the transcripts of David Greenglass’s appearance before the grand jury in 1950. In the transcript, Greenglass said nothing to implicate his sister in espionage, which he attributed only to Julius Rosenberg and others.

... asked about a silver Omega watch that Julius Rosenberg had said was a gift from the Soviets. “My sister has never spoken to me about this subject,” Greenglass answered. Later, when queried whether Ethel, like her husband Julius, had asked him to stay in the Army after the war to spy for the Soviets, Greenglass replied: “I said before, and say it again, honestly, this is a fact: I never spoke to my sister about this at all.”


The media have rushed to the conclusion that this transcript proves the innocence of Ethel Rosenberg."



Wait and see......

Are you trying to sell the WSJ now? Your link requires a subscription.

As does every link to NY Times' site stories I've noticed.