Zone1 Does Satan work for Jesus?

If Christians are correct that Jesus can resurrect the dead, does Satan work for Jesus?

  • No

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Yes

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • I do certainly hope so!?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I CERTAINLY DO HOPE NOT???!!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • Total voters
    10
DennisPTate, do you realise 70% of the people in the world aren't Christian?

Wow, this was your 777th post to this group.

That has got to be significant somehow?

Yes, and a small percentage of near death experiencers all over the world seem to be meeting scary extra-dimensional demons, devils, aliens or ghosts, who seem to be an intellectual clone of sorts of what appears to be a great Covering Cherub Helel who may have decided to deliberately embark on The Left Hand Path, partly as a psychological experiment on humans, [but in a way the fallen angels, fallen Watchers, fallen Nephilim, fallen Hungry Ghosts as the Buddhists term them, are also being psychologically profiled as to how "predatory" they are willing to behave for how low a level of "reward?"
 
Wow, this was your 777th post to this group.

That has got to be significant somehow?

Yes, and a small percentage of near death experiencers all over the world seem to be meeting scary extra-dimensional demons, devils, aliens or ghosts, who seem to be an intellectual clone of sorts of what appears to be a great Covering Cherub Helel who may have decided to deliberately embark on The Left Hand Path, partly as a psychological experiment on humans, [but in a way the fallen angels, fallen Watchers, fallen Nephilim, fallen Hungry Ghosts as the Buddhists term them, are also being psychologically profiled as to how "predatory" they are willing to behave for how low a level of "reward?"
They are going to understand the experience based on their mental cognitive emotional state. The overwhelming majority see it as positive. I would question those who see it as bad experience as not honest seeking attention
 
They are going to understand the experience based on their mental cognitive emotional state. The overwhelming majority see it as positive. I would question those who see it as bad experience as not honest seeking attention

On the other hand a psychologist and medical doctor, who could legally do hypnosis, got curious as to what his cardiac patients who had flatlined would report if he was to hypnotize them and take them back to the time that they flatlined.

A high percentage of those near death experiencers had suppressed their memories due to their not having the typical extremely positive near death experience.



It literally scared the hell out of me - The near death experience of Dr Maurice Rawlings


Here is a longer version of the Dr. Maurice Rawlings research.





To Hell And Back - Dr Maurice S. Rawlings
 
On the other hand a psychologist and medical doctor, who could legally do hypnosis, got curious as to what his cardiac patients who had flatlined if he was to hypnotize them and take them back to the time that they flatlined.

A high percentage of those near death experiencers had suppressed their memories due to their not having the typical extremely positive near death experience.



It literally scared the hell out of me - The near death experience of Dr Maurice Rawlings

There is no such thing as hypnosis recalling memories. The person will say what he thinks the DR wants. Suppressed Memories do not respond to verbal input. The limibic system can understand words. Thats where memory is held. I have used techniques to recall preverbal and suppressed memory in my practice
 
There is no such thing as hypnosis recalling memories. The person will say what he thinks the DR wants. Suppressed Memories do not respond to verbal input. The limibic system can understand words. Thats where memory is held. I have used techniques to recall preverbal and suppressed memory in my practice

You have not looked into the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research have you?

It fits amazingly well with the Dr. Ian Stevenson research but of course Dr. Wambach went at this same topic from a completely different angle.

DR. HELEN WAMBACH AND REINCARNATION

Dr. Helen Wambach (Ph.D.) was one of the earliest scientific researchers into past lives and reincaration. She was the author of Reliving Past Lives and Life Before Life (both published in 1978 by Bantam paperback books). The updated Reliving Past Lives: The Evidence Under Hypnosis was published in 1984. Mass Dreams of the Future was published by Chet Snow in 1993 after her death was based on her research.

Initially motivated by a desire to debunk reincarnation, beginning in the mid-1960s, Helen Wambach conducted a 10-year survey of past-life recalls under hypnosis among 1,088 subjects. She asked very specific questions about the time periods in which people lived and the clothing, footwear, utensils, money, housing, etc. which they used or came in contact with. Wambach concluded found peoples' recollections to be amazingly accurate and wrote that ''fantasy and genetic memory could not account for the patterns that emerged in the results. With the exception of 11 subjects, all descriptions of clothing, footwear, and utensils were consistent with historical records.''


Victor Zammit describes Wambach's research thus:




By doing a scientific analysis on the past lives reported by her 10,000 plus volunteers she came up with some startling evidence in favor of reincarnation:



50.6 % of the past lives reported were male and 49.4 % were female this is exactly in accordance with biological fact.

The number of people reporting upper class or comfortable lives was in exactly the same proportion to the estimates of historians of the class distribution of the period.

The recall by subjects of clothing, footwear, type of food and utensils used was better than that in popular history books. She found over and over again that her subjects knew better than most historians when she went to obscure experts her subjects were invariably correct.



Her conclusion was:



'I don't believe in reincarnation I know it!' (Wambach 197
8)
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In Life Before Life Dr. Wambach described the results of hypnotizing another 750 people and taking them to the time between their past and current lives. One of her most controversial findings was that people have some choice in their current lives and that the disembodied consciousness or soul does not enter the body until near birth. "The soul usually enters the body near birth, and has a choice of which fetus to enter. If one fetus is aborted, it is possible to choose another. In some cases, the soul who will occupy the fetus, is in contact with the soul of the mother, and can influence her decision regarding abortion."

and

 
You have not looked into the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research have you?

It fits amazingly well with the Dr. Ian Stevenson research but of course Dr. Wambach went at this same topic from a completely different angle.



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Hypnosis doesn't work
 
Hypnosis doesn't work

Hypnosis is quite risky, but it does definitely work, it is just that the person asking the questions must be extremely careful how they word the questions because they might tap into what could be referred to as "Edgar Cayce Syndrome."

There are trance level states that seem to open the human spirit or soul or whatever it is that is connected to us by a "silver cord," to essentially all events of all of history.

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern." [Ecclesiastes 12:6}

 
Hypnosis is quite risky, but it does definitely work, it is just that the person asking the questions must be extremely careful how they word the questions because they might tap into what could be referred to as "Edgar Cayce Syndrome."

There are trance level states that seem to open the human spirit or soul or whatever it is that is connected to us by a "silver cord," to essentially all events of all of history.
It cant work memory recall isnt a verbal process. There is no actual trance.
 
I am a trauma therapist who deals with suppressed memory. Its neuropsychology

Or, could it perhaps be that there is a part of the human brain that if stimulated the person will go through something like a near death experience?

Was that the right temporal lobe that if electrically stimulated would have that effect?

There are a minimum of two ways of understanding that phenomena. One of them could be that that "silver cord" that King Solomon referred to, connects our human spirit or soul with our physical brain.

The right temporal lobe may be our connection to higher invisible dimensions of space and time, [but that idea would destroy the existing world economic system], so this is controversial information.


"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"


The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it?
An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
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...

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."


"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)


Electrical stimulation, particularly of the right temporoparietal junction (TPJ), can induce sensations mimicking aspects of Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), especially Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs), by disrupting the brain's body-self integration, but it typically produces fragmented, dream-like states rather than the coherent, profound NDEs reported by experiencers, suggesting temporal lobe activity plays a role in NDEs, but isn't the sole cause. Studies show NDErs often have altered temporal lobe activity (sometimes left-lateralized), and the dying brain shows surges in gamma waves, linking temporal lobe function to these intense subjective states, alongside factors like brain hypoxia ....

All of this fits together somehow.


 
Or, could it perhaps be that there is a part of the human brain that if stimulated the person will go through something like a near death experience?

Was that the right temporal lobe that if electrically stimulated would have that effect?

There are a minimum of two ways of understanding that phenomena. One of them could be that that "silver cord" that King Solomon referred to, connects our human spirit or soul with our physical brain.

The right temporal lobe may be our connection to higher invisible dimensions of space and time, [but that idea would destroy the existing world economic system], so this is controversial information.
No you have to be near death to have an NDE. Spiritual thinking. Prayer and medication activate the limbic system. Its emotion and memory. Its implicit and not verbal. It expresses itself in dreams and emotions. The temporal lobe is involved in organization and is connected to the limbic system.

Forget Solomon and Casey he was a medium.
We cant reach out to the afterlife unless one has the rare ability of true medium. But the afterlife can reach out to you. You must learn to recognize it. You have spirit guide who watches over you and can influence you.
 
No you have to be near death to have an NDE. Spiritual thinking. Prayer and medication activate the limbic system. Its emotion and memory. Its implicit and not verbal. It expresses itself in dreams and emotions. The temporal lobe is involved in organization and is connected to the limbic system.

Forget Solomon and Casey he was a medium.
We cant reach out to the afterlife unless one has the rare ability of true medium. But the afterlife can reach out to you. You must learn to recognize it. You have spirit guide who watches over you and can influence you.


Hafar1014, I have a challenge for YOU!

Will you discuss with your best friends the option of a group of your medical professionals taking a trip to Fort Worth Texas to speak with the medical community who were involved in assisting The Being of Light of near death experience fame to resurrect Mr. Robert Marshall from a medically impossible situation?

The Robert Marshall case could be extremely encouraging to all medical personnel who are working in all the nations of this earth.

Mrs. Carol Marshall is a speech language pathologist so she knew exactly what to say to her husbands doctors so that they went far above the call of duty in their efforts to save her husband.

Please overlook the potentially offensive information in his astonishing case, because this case has value that is all across the religious and spirituality spectrum.

If doctors and nurses know that there is some sort of Being of Light who can use their hands to save lives, they will be encouraged and inspired to go even further beyond the call of duty, [plus they will learn to pray in their own way for their patients which is known to be surprisingly helpful somehow or another]?

Question:

What is the book 44 Hours In Heaven About?




This is a true story and testimony from a man named Robert, who died three times on May 19th, 2024. He explains how he died by suffocating, drowning in his blood in his lungs, acute hypoxic respiratory failure, and cardiac arrest. The result was his suffering oxygen deprivation to his brain for a total of approximately 90 minutes and about his visits to Heaven each time he died.


Each time he died, he went to Heaven. The 1st time he went to Heaven was for 15 minutes; the 2nd time was for 17 minutes; and the 3rd time was for 43 hours and 28 minutes. In the book 44 Hours in Heaven, he shares what Heaven is like, the conversations he had with Jesus, and what he learned.



The following excerpt from chapter 10 in the book "44 Hours In Heaven" contains what Jesus commanded Robert to do.


Jesus said, "You will worship Me in truth and spirit, and you will do as I command you."


Jesus then told him what He would require him to do, “You will worship Me in Truth and Spirit, and you will do as I command you.”


“In doing so, you will share how and why you were given life again."


“You will share with anybody that I put in your path and will entertain any questions about what I shared and taught you from anybody who asks.”



"Upon entering the emergency room, the admission staff quickly observed the medical emergency: I was having difficulty breathing. I was immediately escorted to the care area of the ER and met with a member of the medical team who performed the perfunctory vital signs and symptom identification.


The hospital staff responded to my symptoms and ordered a new CT scan and a broader, all- encompassing blood test. The results showed I had “unstable/abnormal vital signs and life-threatening conditions,” as described in my medical record. I was at risk of my airway being blocked by the mass indicated on the CT scan and I needed emergency intubation with ventilator support. They moved me to a surgical suite, inserted the oral intubation tube, and admitted me to the ICU immediately."
Emergency Room Medical Note:

IMPRESSION:

Increased inflammatory change in the deep left neck soft tissues with worsening swelling of the epiglottis and moderate to severe airway narrowing. Additional inflammatory change involving the left submandibular fossa and submandibular gland as well as the left anterior belly of the digastric. Findings suggest worsening infectious pharyngitis/tonsillitis/epiglottitis. No drainable collection.


Left glossotonsillar sulcus fullness persists. Although superimposed infection is likely, evaluation for an underlying malignancy should be pursued. Direct visualization and tissue sampling may be warranted by ENT. Follow-up CT neck with contrast in one to 3 months is recommended to confirm resolution.

No cervical lymphadenopathy by size criteria.

Incidental severe spinal canal narrowing C5-6 due to ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament.

For the next two days, I rested comfortably, my body fighting the infection with the help of IV antibiotics, and the intubation tube that kept the mass away from my airway.
[Robert and Carol Marshall, Forty Four Hours in Heaven," page 13]


Here is a physician commenting on some of his patients have a near death experience.



Having two or three of your friends take that trip is a good idea due to the evidence that you will find needs to be backed up by others.

Here is an interview with Robert Marshall, that has an exceptionally upbeat and positive atmosphere.




PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall

Robert Marshall recounts his near-death experience, detailing his three-day coma and subsequent resurrection on May 17, 2017. He describes his time in heaven, where he interacted with Jesus, his father, and pets, and learned about the Bible and the new heavens and earth. Despite being brain dead for 90 minutes, he miraculously recovered with a new brain and body. His wife's determination and a living will prevented the doctors from ending life support.

Robert emphasizes the miraculous nature of his recovery and his mission to share his experiences and teachings. Robert Marshall recounts his near-death experience, detailing how he died on May 19, 2024, and returned to life on May 23, 2024. He describes the disbelief and amazement of his family and friends upon his return, emphasizing the medical evidence of his death and resurrection. Robert shares the message he received from Jesus, urging doctors and nurses to trust in divine timing and their roles in performing miracles. He reflects on his transformation from an arrogant, competitive person to a kinder, more compassionate individual.

Hafar, of your friends you should be able to put together a team and produce a reality film or documentary film out of your trip to Fort Worth, Texas?

An extremely interesting angle on this proposed reality film or documentary produced by Hafar, is that Mrs. Carol Marshall, prayed for her husband in such a way that his medical miracle is significantly to her credit. After all those years of marriage Carol Marshall DID NOT WANT TO TRAIN A NEW HUSBAND!!!!
 
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Hafar1014, I have a challenge for YOU!

Will you discuss with your best friends the option of a group of your medical professionals taking a trip to Fort Worth Texas to speak with the medical community who were involved in assisting The Being of Light of near death experience fame to resurrect Mr. Robert Marshall from a medically impossible situation?

The Robert Marshall case could be extremely encouraging to all medical personnel who are working in all the nations of this earth.

Mrs. Carol Marshall is a speech language pathologist so she knew exactly what to say to her husbands doctors so that they went far above the call of duty in their efforts to save her husband.

Please overlook the potentially offensive information in his astonishing case, because this case has value that is all across the religious and spirituality spectrum.

If doctors and nurses know that there is some sort of Being of Light who can use their hands to save lives, they will be encouraged and inspired to go even further beyond the call of duty, [plus they will learn to pray in their own way for their patients which is known to be surprisingly helpful somehow or another]?







Here is a physician commenting on some of his patients have a near death experience.



Having two or three of your friends take that trip is a good idea due to the evidence that you will find needs to be backed up by others.

Here is an interview with Robert Marshall, that has an exceptionally upbeat and positive atmosphere.




PROFOUND NDE: BRAIN DEAD for 90 MINUTES; Met JESUS in HEAVEN & RETURNED w/ MESSAGE | Robert Marshall



Hafar, of your friends you should be able to put together a team and produce a reality film or documentary film out of your trip to Fort Worth, Texas?

An extremely interesting angle on this proposed reality film or documentary produced by Hafar, is that Mrs. Carol Marshall, prayed for her husband in such a way that his medical miracle is significantly to her credit. After all those years of marriage Carol Marshall DID NOT WANT TO TRAIN A NEW HUSBAND!!!!

Im not going to Texas but I believe in these experiences so des my best friend a psychiatrist. We have a soul
 
Im not going to Texas but I believe in these experiences so des my best friend a psychiatrist. We have a soul

Wow!

Thank you!

But you might have a friend or family member who would love to use this idea to get their career in documentary or reality film projects started?
 
Im not going to Texas but I believe in these experiences so des my best friend a psychiatrist. We have a soul

Let's speculate for a moment that there is a being in the universe or Multiverse somewhat like the proverbial former Covering Cherub Helel........

Let's postulate that he began to fall about seventy million or so years ago.......

and had fully fallen by sixty five million or so years ago.......

Would that "Satan" tend to identify with Artificial Intelligence as it is evolving and learning?

I believe that the students and faculty at Brigham Young University in Jerusalem may have a special aptitude to comprehend how all of this fits with the Disney story, "Pinnochio."


 
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Im not going to Texas but I believe in these experiences so des my best friend a psychiatrist. We have a soul


Have you ever listened to a lecture by former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava?

His lecture dealing with what really happened on October 7 is pretty shocking but the implications are rather off the scale, [I think so anyway].

www.AlonAnava.com/


Are you ready to meet G-d? | What really happened on Oct. 7? And what is G-od's message to us???​


My guess is that Rabbi Alon Anava is like a modern Prophet Jeremiah type of person who is willing to get himself into trouble with very powerful people.

It seems as if very powerful people want to disillusion the Jews who are supposed to make Aliyah to Israel over the coming years, but the suspicion of dishonesty being in a place of a lot of power in Israel is necessary to discourage all but the most spiritually gifted and powerfully guided?
 
Does Satan work for Jesus? Impossible to answer when asked that way.
Christ can resurrect the dead, but that does not mean always in the same form as you once knew.

Did former Covering Cherub Helel notice the work that was done by Stanley Milgram Ph. D. at the time of the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials?

I believe that perhaps Satan wants a new name for himself along the lines of "Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan?"
 
The idea of Satan works because if you dont believe in Jesus youll go to hell and suffer for eternity. I thought Jesus was god of love and peace. It appears hes the god of love more or else your screwed
 
The idea of Satan works because if you dont believe in Jesus youll go to hell and suffer for eternity. I thought Jesus was god of love and peace. It appears hes the god of love more or else your screwed

I do believe that a Genius Master Plan has been set into motion that leads to Eventual Universal Salvation but that idea is so easily turned into a path for our destruction that the full truth has been hidden until our time period.

Our Human Spirit is infinitely ancient.

Somewhat like the dream of Yacob - Jacob with angels going up and coming down a part of us, [I would guess our soul which is our mind, will, emotions and personality], reincarnates and learns empathy and compassion through The Gilgul Cycle.

Eventually Moshiach ben David appears to us and gets us going on a mission in life. Near death experiencer John J. Davis has given one of the most clear and easily understood explanation for Eventual Universal Salvation that I have found so far.

There is a one sentence summary of what is really happening here:

[John J. Davis]

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”



[John J. Davis]

Past Lives​

The next building he took me to was another large building with columns all along the front and the sides. He took me inside, and one of the rooms he took me to looked just like a theater, like we have today. There was a single movie screen in front, and my guide said, “I’m going to show you past lifetimes.” This was something I had a hard time with because, being a Catholic, being raised in the church and reading the Bible, there is no talk of past lifetimes. But the truth is, we are eternal. We exist forever; we never die. We can have many, many lifetimes—as many as we want. It’s totally up to us.

He said, “I’m going to show you some different lifetimes.” All of a sudden, the screen turned on, and the first life he showed me, I was a monk. I had a shaved head, and I was wearing a red gown or tunic, and I was teaching kids. In that lifetime, my job was to teach kids about life in a monastery. What was so interesting is I knew by looking at this where that lifetime occurred, and it was somewhere in Southeast Asia. Then it went blank.

Then the screen came on again, and he showed me another life. This time I was a shoe peddler. I had a little wheelbarrow with a bunch of shoes in it. My job in that lifetime was I fixed people’s shoes. I would go to their homes in the village, get the shoes they wanted me to fix, take them back to my shop, fix them, and then bring them back to the people. That was my job. That life took place somewhere in Eastern Europe. Then that life disappeared.

Then another life showed up, and this was of a fisherman. I was a fisherman in a little raggedy boat on a lake. I had nets, and I was tossing these nets into the water, and part of my job in that life was to help feed the community through catching fish. That lifetime happened somewhere in the Middle East.

That’s when I realized—wow—we really do have past lifetimes. We can have as many lifetimes as we want, or as few as we want. It’s totally up to us. That was the building where we go to view past lifetimes.


So although it is indeed true that "Jesus said: "You must tell them that there is no death." On the other hand there are some scary higher dimensional environments where we can get ourselves into if we become narcissistic, predatory and selfish?

Rabbi Alon Anava was correct to term all of it a "Genius Master Plan" but it does have a scary side to it.
 
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