Zone1 Does Satan work for Jesus?

[The Irish Ram]

Dennis, who declared Shawn Bolz a prophet? And how do you distinguish between a prophet and a false prophet when both declare themselves a spokesman for God?

 

[Hafar1014]

That is an interesting way of looking at the topic of a "Satan."

Not to nit pick but ego doesnt exist its hypothetical created by Freud who didnt understand how the mind works. I believe what you mean is Vanity

 

[DennisPTate]

Not to nit pick but ego doesnt exist its hypothetical created by Freud who didnt understand how the mind works. I believe what you mean is Vanity

True... pride and vanity are extremely dangerous.

Moses was chosen for the massive role that he played in the past, [and I believe is still playing right now], due to the humility of Moses.

I believe that former Covering Cherub Helel, [Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan], cannot forgive himself for his rebellion against YHWH, [apparently largely due to the extreme jealousy and envy that Satan fell into when he found out the plans that YHWH had for Adam and Eve and all of their grandchildren.

In a way.....
even Satan - Lucifer Satan is asking himself how he could have been so unwise. [In the defence of Satan it seems to be an exceptionally relevant detail that Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago]!

[Isaiah 14]
For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2;And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3;And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4;That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5;The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6;He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7;The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8;Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

9;Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

10;All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

11;Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

12;How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13;For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14;I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15;Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16;They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17;That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18;All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19;But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20;Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

21;Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

22;For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.

 

[Hafar1014]

True... pride and vanity are extremely dangerous.

Moses was chosen for the massive role that he played in the past, [and I believe is still playing right now], due to the humility of Moses.

I believe that former Covering Cherub Helel, [Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan], cannot forgive himself for his rebellion against YHWH, [apparently largely due to the extreme jealousy and envy that Satan fell into when he found out the plans that YHWH had for Adam and Eve and all of their grandchildren.

In a way.....
even Satan - Lucifer Satan is asking himself how he could have been so unwise. [In the defence of Satan it seems to be an exceptionally relevant detail that Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago]!

Its better to rule in Hell than serve in Heavan

 

[DennisPTate]

Its better to rule in Hell than serve in Heavan

That is very probably a huge part of his motives for what he has been doing over these past sixty five million or so years. The competition and predatory behaviour pattern of some of the dinosaurs were probably the result of theories and beliefs that Satan and his third of the angels felt were important and necessary to be studied.

Near death experiencer Bryan Melvin saw Hitler during his 1982 near death experience. Bryan Melvin was shown Hitler doing something like a Vulcan Mind Meld with each and every one of his victims. Satan does not reward his most loyal followers such as Hitler and Stalin and Mao very well at all. Time in the higher dimensions is very different than time here so for Hitler to be reviewing the lives of his victims, [as if he was them], is certainly something that could be termed "hell."

Near Death Experience: He Saw Hitler in Hell & This Man in Heaven​

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Bryan Melvin has the most amazing afterlife story of all-time. He saw Hitler in hell after dying of cholera, and suffered PTSD from seeing the horrors of hell. But God healed him after giving Bryan a vision of Heaven. Discover this amazing journey in this most recent interview of Bryan by Randy Kay.

 

[Hafar1014]

Its better to rule in Hell than serve in Heavan

Its a quote from Paradise Lost by John Milton
It signifies a preference for absolute autonomy and power in a negative environment over subservience in a positive one, driven by pride, ambition, and refusal to submit to divine authority.

 

[DennisPTate]

Its a quote from Paradise Lost by John Milton
It signifies a preference for absolute autonomy and power in a negative environment over subservience in a positive one, driven by pride, ambition, and refusal to submit to divine authority.

Former Covering Cherub Helel is likely many billions of years old. What got him into rebellion was the idea that he was going to be something of a "servant" to Adam and Eve and their grandchildren like Abraham, Yitzhaq and Yacob, and all of their grandchildren who can handle the higher vibrational levels of paradise or heaven.

 

[DennisPTate]

Its a quote from Paradise Lost by John Milton
It signifies a preference for absolute autonomy and power in a negative environment over subservience in a positive one, driven by pride, ambition, and refusal to submit to divine authority.

Do a search for "Operation Paperclip" and then skip to the two hour and forty minute mark in this lecture and the events of the past century will begin to become more clear.

From the two hour and forty minute mark in this lecture another angle on what has happened over the past decades are looked at from another angle.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Its better to rule in Hell than serve in Heavan

Learn what service means from Jesus

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Former Covering Cherub Helel is likely many billions of years old. What got him into rebellion was the idea that he was going to be something of a "servant" to Adam and Eve and their grandchildren like Abraham, Yitzhaq and Yacob, and all of their grandchildren who can handle the higher vibrational levels of paradise or heaven.

His future is death. That is why he is full of wrath. He knows his end is near

 

[Hafar1014]

Learn what service means from Jesus

I never applied for the job I already had a better one

 

[DennisPTate]

I never applied for the job I already had a better one

I could be incorrect in this theory....
Over my sixty six years I have believed in some pretty dumb theories.... but.....

I am of the belief that some sort of allegorical Yom Kippur Event will happen in our time period that will assist in ushering in the Era of Moshiach.

I suspect that former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava could play an important role in this due to how popular his videos are among Gentiles, Christians, Muslims and so many people who are interested in the teachings of Rabbinic Judaism.

My guess is that Rabbi Alon Anava might somehow fit with the person that is predicted in Zechariah chapter three. This High Priest is supposed to become of the four most influential people in Judaism as the Era of Moshiach begins.

Z'KHARYAH (ZEC) 3​

1He showed me Y’hoshua the cohen hagadol standing before the angel of Adonai, with the Accuser standing at his right to accuse him. 2Adonai said to the Accuser, “May Adonai rebuke you, Accuser! Indeed, may Adonai, who has made Yerushalayim his choice, rebuke you! Isn’t this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?” 3Y’hoshua was clothed in garments covered with dung; and he was standing before the angel, 4who said to those standing in front of him, “Take those filthy garments off of him.” Then to him he said, “See, I am taking your guilt away. I will clothe you in fine robes.” 5I said, “They should put a clean turban on his head.” So they put a clean turban on his head and gave him fine robes to wear, while the angel of Adonai stood by. 6Then the angel of Adonai gave Y’hoshua this warning: 7“Adonai-Tzva’ot says this: ‘If you will walk in my ways, obey my commission, judge my house and guard my courtyards; then I will give you free access among these who are standing here. 8Listen, cohen gadol Y’hoshua, both you and your colleagues seated here before you, because these men are a sign that I am going to bring my servant Tzemach [Sprout]. 9For look at the stone I have put in front of Y’hoshua: on one stone are seven eyes; I will engrave what is to be written on it,’ says Adonai-Tzva’ot; ‘and I will remove the guilt of this land in one day. 10When that time comes,’ says Adonai-Tzva’ot, ‘you will all invite each other to join you under your vines and fig trees.’”

[Zechariah 3, CJB, Complete Jewish Bible]

Z'kharyah (Zec) 3 | CJB Bible | YouVersion

He showed me Y’hoshua the cohen hagadol standing before the angel of Adonai, with the Accuser standing at his right to accuse him. Adonai said to the Accuser, “May Adonai rebuke you, Accus

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Rabbi Alon Anava is live!​

First Time in Las Vegas | Rabbi Alon Anava | Life After Death​

 

[DennisPTate]

More details on specifics about the fall of Satan are given by a near death experiencer here after the one hour and thirty minute mark in this amazing interview.

44 Hours in Heaven, Part 1 with Robert Marshall​

 

[DennisPTate]

More details on specifics about the fall of Satan are given by a near death experiencer here after the one hour and thirty minute mark in this amazing interview.

What Robert Marshall was shown sure does fit with Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter forty eight but it is great to have more specifics and details on what happened and why.

44 Hours in Heaven, Part 1 with Robert Marshall​

 

[DennisPTate]

Does Satan work for Jesus? Impossible to answer when asked that way.
Christ can resurrect the dead, but that does not mean always in the same form as you once knew.

Here is a related question.....
Has Satan thrown his most enthusiastic supporters under the bus in the form of a "Judas Betrayal Power Ritual?"

Will many of the world's billionaires soon be wearing nice bright orange jump suits once Prince Andrew gives more and more testimony related to Epstein Island?

The Story Behind the Mysterious Death of the Most Famous Satanist in America​

 

[DennisPTate]

I just ran into information that I have been messing up on terribly. After the forty minute mark in the following video near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai Th. D. reported that when he used the name "Lucifer", in the presence of Jesus, he was told that "we do not use that name up here"... in heaven the name for Satan is "ADVERSARY!"




Soul Instability or Demonic Influence? How to Tell the Difference | Dr. Kevin Zadai

24,347 views Feb 15, 2026

Emotional shifts, unstable thoughts, and sudden personality changes can leave believers unsure of what they’re really facing. Not every struggle is demonic—but not every disruption is merely emotional. Discernment requires spiritual maturity.In this session, Kevin Zadai addresses the critical distinction between soul instability and demonic influence. With clarity and authority, he unpacks a subject that is often misunderstood or misapplied. If you want to grow in discernment without over-spiritualizing every struggle—or ignoring genuine spiritual pressure—this teaching will help you navigate both with wisdom and confidence.

 

[DennisPTate]

I never applied for the job I already had a better one

Would it be OK if I were to write you up an even better job that you are obviously well qualified for?

This is background information to what I have in mind......

I believe that you have the brains and the ability to become an online or youtube INTERVIEWER and here is just one person that you could do a good interview with in spite of your obvious philosophical differences with him.

From the Satanic Church to the Feet of Jesus w/ Riaan Swiegelaar | Live Your Best Life | Ep 308​

 

[Hafar1014]

Would it be OK if I were to write you up an even better job that you are obviously well qualified for?

This is background information to what I have in mind......

I believe that you have the brains and the ability to become an online or youtube INTERVIEWER and here is just one person that you could do a good interview with in spite of your obvious philosophical differences with him.

From the Satanic Church to the Feet of Jesus w/ Riaan Swiegelaar | Live Your Best Life | Ep 308​

Both totally nuts

 

[DennisPTate]

A near death experiencer reports being shown about creation and even when and how Satan fell. If you skip to the one hour and thirty minute mark in this video you will get a fascinating explanation for how Satan and the angels fell.

I am listening to this again and this is even better the second time around.





44 Hours in Heaven, Part 1 with Robert Marshall

Part 2 of 3 with Robert Marshall, 44 Hours in Heaven Author​

Part 3 of 3 with Robert Marshall, 44 Hours in Heaven​

 

[DennisPTate]

Both totally nuts

I can't blame you for thinking that.

On the other hand the segment of the population who are manic depressive, bi-polar or even schizophrenic do write about thirty percent of novels that get published.

The Jewish Bible, in the Book of Numbers, introduces an interesting "Prophet" named Balaam. Apparently Balaam's two sons, Janes and Jambres were the two magicians in the court of Pharaoh who were able to duplicate many of the first miracles that were performed by Moses.

Jerusalem Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander got me thinking about all of this on another level in a discussion that we had back in 2010.

Rabbi Hollander gave me permission to make our conversation public when I felt that I was in contact with people who could assist in making the goal of our conversation come to pass?

"Re: Rabbi Hollander, linking Jerusalem Third Temple with Grand Unified Theory of Modern World Problems."
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dennis Tate <tate4pictoucentre
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wrote:

Shalom Rabbi Hollander: I've been participating on The Sanhedrin message board and I was urged to contact you directly. So far as I know I am probably the first minor Canadian politician who has advocated that my nation assist The Temple Mount Faithful Community, People For A Bill to Build The Bet HaMikdash and The Sanhedriin in your efforts to control the Temple Mount and rebuild your Jerusalem Third Temple. It is my firm belief that semi-reality and reality film series could play an important role in working out the fulfillment of every word spoken in the law and in the prophets. My dad, Robert Stewart Tate, passed away on January 1, 1990. His death came at the same time that I was being confronted with the implications of the near death experience accounts. I went through a theological crisis that I believe has relevance for your SanHedrin. "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10) I had no problem with the positive near death experiences but those negative ones put me into a philosophical crisis unlike I had ever experienced before. I saw this verse in Leviticus as a possible loophole and I asked that the guilt of Azazel would be put on my head. I prayed and asked The G-d of Abraham if he had any use for a volunteer "goat for Azazel?" If so, then I wanted to submit my application for the job. Several unusual things did occur since that time that I feel indicates that my offer may well have been accepted. I would like to elaborate further on how I feel a volunteer goat for Azazel could perhaps be of use in the working out of latter day events in such a way that the death toll is kept to an absolute minimum. Although I am not certain exactly what a volunteer goat for Azazel should do I have seen a videotape in my head of myself signing currency units while my hand is bleeding. The blood that drips onto a particular part of those currency units, along with many examples of my signature serves to authenticate the validity of these specific currency units for a future in which they could turn out to be quite useful. I hereby offer to The Sanhedrin 22 billion Dennis Tate shekels or dollars, similar to CalgaryDollars.ca or the Ithaca Hour. Bill and Melinda Gates are planning on spending 24 billion US dollars in an effort to make this world a better place. I wish to compete with them. This 22 billion in a sense can be used as props in many reality films that tend to promote peace in the Middle East and the reestablishment of the law of Moshe even in foreign lands. It is my belief that the films that you are guided to produce and direct will greatly increase in value over the coming decades and centuries. Shalom and greetings from Nova Scotia.

Rabbi Hollander replied within twenty four hours to my e-mail.

Dear Mr. Tate,

I read with interest all you wrote, and to understand more about you I did a search and see that you have written MP Peter Mackay regarding abortion. I congratulate you on every word in this letter, an excellent letter in content and form.
I started with this because it is relatively simple and straightforword.

The ideas you wrote about in the current letter are so much more commplex.
There is no doubt that the Almighty has many means of delivering messages to people. There is no doubt that many people receive messages from the Almighty.

While it is not possible to discount other iterpretations of your dreams and changes of you thoughts, it is clear that you have a comprehensive world-picture, and that this letter is an expression of the important points you saw fit to write me.


Naturally, I am interested to learn more about your advocacy "that my nation assist The Temple Mount Faithful Community, People For A Bill to Build The Bet HaMikdash and The Sanhedrin in your efforts to control the Temple Mount and rebuild your Jerusalem Third Temple". Why do you thing that this advocacy will help you as a "minor Canadian politician" who is starting his campaign.

Of course we appreciate your support and would like to help you in this - and for that matter in your efforts against abortion. According to the Holy Torah, the prohibition of abortion [except in extreme cases, as you mention] was one of the commands of God to Noah [Genesis 9,6, the KJV translation is not equivalent to the Jewish tradition (it really wasn't meant to be!)] According to our understanding, this means that killing a person who is still inside its mother is a capital crime.

Please send us some more elaboration of your ideas.

Sincerely,

Shalom,

Rabby Yeshayahu Hollander

I am putting this discussion between Rabbi Hollander and I in this discussion because one important part of the answer to the question in the opening post would be:
1. Which "Satan" are we referring to?

2. Do you mean Covering Cherub Helel who is known to Christians as Lucifer Satan?

3. Or do you mean Azazel Satan who was in contact with the Prophet Enoch centuries before the Flood of the time of Noah?

4. Will the "Azazel Satan" be the first major fallen king of the Watchers to be restored to his Creator? Is that why his name is mentioned in Leviticus chapter sixteen in the original Hebrew?

5. Will a "Latter day Yom Kippur Event" that is somewhat similar but perhaps very different from the Exodus of the time of Moses "Passover Event" or from the "Passover Lamb Passover Event" of two millennia ago, where Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus gave Himself for all humanity, be done that will increase and increase and increase the power and influence of Messiah the Passover Lamb into the realms dominated by "Azazel" and his children and grandchildren?

Chapter 13​

1Then Enoch, passing on, said to Azazyel: You shalt not obtain peace. A great sentence is gone forth against you. He shall bind you;


2Neither shall relief, mercy, and supplication be yours, on account of the oppression which you have taught;


3And on account of every act of blasphemy, tyranny, and sin, which you have discovered to the children of men.


4Then departing from him I spoke to them all together;


5And they all became terrified, and trembled;


6Beseeching me to write for them a memorial of supplication, that they might obtain forgiveness; and that I might make the memorial of their prayer ascend up before the God of heaven; because they could not themselves thenceforwards address him, nor raise up their eyes to heaven on account of the disgraceful offence for which they were judged.


7Then I wrote a memorial of their prayer and supplications, for their spirits, for everything which they had done, and for the subject of their entreaty, that they might obtain remission and rest.


8Proceeding on, I continued over the waters of Danbadan, (16) which is on the right to the west of Armon, reading the memorial of their prayer, until I fell asleep.

(16) Danbadan. Dan in Dan (Knibb, p. 94).


9And behold a dream came to me, and visions appeared above me. I fell down and saw a vision of punishment, that I might relate it to the sons of heaven, and reprove them. When I awoke I went to them. All being collected together stood weeping in Oubelseyael, which is situated between Libanos and Seneser, (17) with their faces veiled.

(17) Libanos and Seneser. Lebanon and Senir (near Damascus).


10I related in their presence all the visions which I had seen, and my dream;


11And began to utter these words of righteousness, reproving the Watchers of heaven.

https://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm#Chapter13

Leviticus 16 from the RSV, [Revised Standard Version] :

The Day of Atonement​

16 The Lord spoke to Moses, after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they drew near before the Lord and died; 2;and the Lord said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at all times into the holy place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is upon the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat. 3;But thus shall Aaron come into the holy place: with a young bull for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. 4;He shall put on the holy linen coat, and shall have the linen breeches on his body, be girded with the linen girdle, and wear the linen turban; these are the holy garments. He shall bathe his body in water, and then put them on. 5;And he shall take from the congregation of the people of Israel two male goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.

6;“And Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. 7;Then he shall take the two goats, and set them before the Lord at the door of the tent of meeting; 8;and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Aza′zel. 9;And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; 10;but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza′zel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza′zel.

Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 16 - Revised Standard Version

The Day of Atonement - The LORD spoke to Moses, after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they drew near before the LORD and died; and the LORD said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at all times into the holy place within the veil, before the mercy seat which is upon the ark...

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