Zone1 Does Satan work for Jesus?

[DennisPTate]

Kudos to Mr. Joyner for an excellent metaphorical story. Is PRIDE and acronym like: Personal Responsibility in Delivering Excellence, or still a deadly sin?

In my opinion Rick Joyner can be compared with C. S. Lewis. I think that he is a Christian Literary Genius but.....
... the simples explanation for his three books, The Final Quest, The Call and The Torch and the Sword, is that he was given some sort of visionary dream.

 

[d0gbreath]

In my opinion Rick Joyner can be compared with C. S. Lewis. I think that he is a Christian Literary Genius but.....
... the simples explanation for his three books, The Final Quest, The Call and The Torch and the Sword, is that he was given some sort of visionary dream.

My fave by Clive Staples Lewis is The Walrus and the Carpenter. It's short, but to the point.
I'll be checking out Rick Joyner as he seems to have 'it'.

 

[DennisPTate]

My fave by Clive Staples Lewis is The Walrus and the Carpenter. It's short, but to the point.
I'll be checking out Rick Joyner as he seems to have 'it'.

Here are some links....

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

64.71.77.248

2 Two Witnesses : The Call

This sequel to The Final Quest issues a prophetic challenge to seize your destiny. Rick Joyner explores the restoration of the earth and the ultimate purpose of the Christian life in the face of spiritual darkness.

ccl-china.org

The Call by Rick Joyner: Audiobook/TextVideo​

The Final Quest by Rick Joyner - TextVideo​

 

[d0gbreath]

Thank you DennisPTate!

 

[DennisPTate]

Thank you DennisPTate!

I just read something rather insightful about how Satan fell from heaven.

[Rick Joyner, The Final Quest ] :

Meeting the Evangelist

While hearing these words, I felt compelled to look up toward one of the thrones beside me. Immediately I saw a man I recognized. He had been a great evangelist when I was a child, and many felt that he had walked in more power than anyone since the early church. I had read about him and had listened to some of his recorded messages. It was hard not to be touched by his genuine humility, and the obvious love he had for the Lord and people. Even so, I also felt that some of his teachings had gone seriously awry. I was surprised, but also relieved, to see him sitting on a great throne. I was captured by the humility and love that still exuded from him.

As I to ask the Lord if I could talk with this man, I could see how much the Lord loved him. However, the Lord motioned for me to continue walking, and would not permit me to speak with the evangelist.

“I just wanted you to see him here,” the Lord explained, “and to understand the position that he has with Me. There is much for you to understand about him. He was a messenger to My last-day church, but the church could not hear him for reasons that you will understand in due time. He did fall into discouragement and delusion for a time, and his message was distorted. It must be recovered, as well as the parts that I have given to others which were also distorted.”

Knowing that everything here happened in perfect timing with all that I was meant to learn, I began to think about how seeing this man must be related to what we had just talked about—the potential of power to corrupt.

“Yes. There is a great danger in walking in great power,” the Lord responded. “It has happened to many of My messengers, and that is part of the message they are to give to My last-day church. You must walk in My power, and even much greater power than these experienced. But if you ever start to think that the power is My endorsement of you, or even of your message, you will open the door to the same delusion. The Holy Spirit is given to testify only of Me. If you are wise, like Paul, you will learn to glory more in your weaknesses than in your strengths.

“True faith is the true recognition of who I am. It is nothing more and nothing less. But you must always remember—even if you abide in My presence and see Me as I am—you can still fall if you turn from Me to look back at yourself That is how Lucifer fell. He dwelt in this room and beheld My glory and the glory of My Father. However, he began to look at himself more than he looked to us. He then began to take pride in his position and power​

Many of My servants who have been allowed to see My glory and be entrusted with My power have fallen in the same way as Lucifer If you begin to think that it is because of your wisdom, your righteousness or even your devotion to pure doctrine, you will stumble too.”

Confidence​

[Rick Joyner, near the bottom of this page]

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

64.71.77.248

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

I admit that this question is going to be rather controversial but a pretty powerful case can be presented from The Book of Job as well as from the Christian scriptures that perhaps, Satan is obeying every command that he receives from Jesus, [who apparently has the authority to send people like near death experiencer Robert Marshall back to this earth with a mission that is relevant for all doctors and all nurses and all medical personnel in the USA and Canada and all the world]!

So if Satan is working for Jesus what is his job perhaps rather like?

Well, on one level I believe that perhaps the Psychological Research that Satan has been doing on us humans can be compared with The Milgram Experiment?



Note: this topic is designed to cause the wealthiest of the wealthy to consider their ways because if the eight thousand five hundred or so mega-wealthy investors were to begin to question what they are doing and why they are doing it, voila, we could set in motion "The Great Wealth Transfer From The Wicked To the Righteous!"


I believe that former Covering Cherub Helel, [who is known to Christians as Lucifer - Satah], knows that all truth is being revealed at this time and you can rest assured that he knows that his own methods with his own most loyal followers will soon be questioned?



My goal here is to give good reason to the ten million most well paid C. E. O's, movie stars, elected officials, rock stars and high ranking members of the occult to seriously consider running to JESUS because it seems that perhaps Satan is doing a "Judas Betrayal Power Ritual" on all of his most loyal followers and servants?





Is it not logical that all of this might tend to remind me of The Milgram Experiment that was done at the time of the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials?


Near death experiencer Robert Marshall spoke with Jesus for forty three hours and twenty eight minutes. Jesus told Robert that the earth was three point six billion years old and that Satan had began to fall seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this is critical information in order to understand what is really happening on this earth?

Zone1 Thread 'New information on "Old Earth Creationism" and on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory?"'

Nov 26, 2025

As of last year new information came out related to Old Earth Creationism. Near death experiencer Robert Marshall was brain dead for ninety minutes and in a coma for forty four hours. During the last forty three hours and twenty eight minutes, he claims that Jesus filled him in on astonishing details such as"
1. The earth itself is three point six BILLION years old
2. Satan BEGAN to fall roughly seventy million years ago.
3. Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this information is highly relevant to Pope Leo and I would suggest to Pope Leo that he...

• DennisPTate
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No, because Satan was actually kicked out of heaven for being disobedient to God. So no Satan is not working for Jesus.

 

[Anarchy666]

It depends on who you ask. If you ask Christians they will obviously so no, if you ask Orthodox Jews however they will have quite the soliloquy

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Aside from me not being religious, I am a hobbyist of theology.

The basic "bones" are =

According to what I've gathered over the decades, Lucifer was a true son of god that felt jilted when god started showing favoritism towards humans. One of gods favorite children.

This is akin to adoptive parents showing more favortism to the red-headed step-child, rather than thier own biological offspring.

God created Jesus as a human being in order for him to protect humans from going to hell.

I wouldn't say Jesus works for Lucifer, but Lucifer has every right to be jealous.

God made Lucifer ruler over bad humans that never did any good. Which is hypocritical, as God "sent his only begotten son" to soak up all the evil that humans do, so none of us go to hell.

So, logically.............once Jesus died and was resurrected, that should have been the end of Lucifer and his reign over any more bad humans that died without doing good.

Lucifer and Jesus are step-brothers. More than likely, they don't like each other very much.

I seriously doubt that Lucifer has any more power than Jesus does........especially after his temper tantrum way back when.

 

[DennisPTate]

No, because Satan was actually kicked out of heaven for being disobedient to God. So no Satan is not working for Jesus.

You might be correct.....
this topic is not covered clearly in scripture but some of the statements in the Book of Job indicate to me that Job, was in a "Lukewarm" state rather like the entire church is predicted to be in in Revelation chapter three. YHWH brags about Job to Satan.... and Satan brings Job to a whole new level of understanding, humility and wisdom than what he had at the beginning. I believe that the Book of Job helps us to understand Revelation chapter three about the final three era's of the Bride of Messiah, the Church and everybody who is led by the Holy Spirit, [some people may have something of an Isaiah chapter forty five thing going on and they may be led by the Holy Spirit and not even really understand how powerfully they are being led].

[Revelation 3]

1“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,
‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
6“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
The Faithful Church
7“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write,
‘These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”: 8“I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name. 9Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. 12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
13“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’
The Lukewarm Church
14“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15“I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ”
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Revelation 3: NKJV

 

[DennisPTate]

It depends on who you ask. If you ask Christians they will obviously so no, if you ask Orthodox Jews however they will have quite the soliloquy

Yes, I do believe that many Orthodox Jews might just be reminded at least somewhat of the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. research as they read The Book of Job and look at the calamities of Jewish history. Moses certainly did warn the twelve tribes of Israel that there were blessings for obedience... but curses for disobedience.

Who among the angels would be willing to set in motion those curses and punishments for disobedience to the laws of Moses?

 

[DennisPTate]

Aside from me not being religious, I am a hobbyist of theology.

The basic "bones" are =

According to what I've gathered over the decades, Lucifer was a true son of god that felt jilted when god started showing favoritism towards humans. One of gods favorite children.

This is akin to adoptive parents showing more favortism to the red-headed step-child, rather than thier own biological offspring.

God created Jesus as a human being in order for him to protect humans from going to hell.

I wouldn't say Jesus works for Lucifer, but Lucifer has every right to be jealous.

God made Lucifer ruler over bad humans that never did any good. Which is hypocritical, as God "sent his only begotten son" to soak up all the evil that humans do, so none of us go to hell.

So, logically.............once Jesus died and was resurrected, that should have been the end of Lucifer and his reign over any more bad humans that died without doing good.

Lucifer and Jesus are step-brothers. More than likely, they don't like each other very much.

I seriously doubt that Lucifer has any more power than Jesus does........especially after his temper tantrum way back when.

What you write reminds me greatly of what was shown to a near death experiencer about the fall of Covering Cherub Helel Lucifer Satan.

Jesus hesitated as I tried to capture the immensity of his explanations.

“You must understand, my son, that original creation mirrored the composition and perfection of Person-God. All creation vibrated in unison with us! There was total accord and harmony everywhere as the whole creation was resonating with and in God!

“Each separate thing or being thus carried out an appointed task in our scheme for the universe. A heaven-form of music resulted as even the stars sang in their appointed circuits. Here in paradise you are hearing these melodious vibrations directly upon your new mind, undistorted. On Earth you heard distorted sounds through the air waves. Throughout heaven the music flows from my throne, uninterrupted, undefiled, and peace-giving.”

Jesus paused again.

“My book tells of the time when Lucifer’s rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father’s throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed ‘adversary’ of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God’s other creations. In my book we call this disharmony ‘sin’, because it defies God’s will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.

“But be of good cheer, my son. The Father has permitted me to overcome Satan’s world system of sin, and to destroy the works of Satan, and to re-establish righteousness in the hearts of my friends. Eventually in his chosen time he will restore all creation as it once was, in him!”

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You are correct that jealousy and envy by former Covering Cherub Helel over the destiny of Adam and Eve was what drove him into rebellion and got him kicked out of heaven.

 

[pal]

Satan and Jesus are characters in a story. They work for the storyteller.

No.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

What you write reminds me greatly of what was shown to a near death experiencer about the fall of Covering Cherub Helel Lucifer Satan.



You are correct that jealousy and envy by former Covering Cherub Helel over the destiny of Adam and Eve was what drove him into rebellion and got him kicked out of heaven.

The word 'Satan' has several meanings, but Lucifer is an Angel and a specific being. Perry Stone says Lucifer was here on Earth long before Man was, as were several other angels, Sons Of God.

A list of some discussions on Lucifer that sound interesting:

Lucifer in Prophecy According to Perry Stone​

Perry Stone teaches that Lucifer (Satan) was not only a fallen angel but also a pre-Adamite ruler who once governed the earth before humanity’s creation. In his prophetic messages, Stone draws on apocalyptic literature, angelic warfare themes, and eschatological timelines to present a view that Lucifer’s influence extends far beyond the Garden of Eden.

Key Points from Perry Stone’s Teachings​

1. Lucifer’s Pre-Adamite Rule
Stone often references the idea that Lucifer was a high-ranking angel who, before the fall of man, held authority over the earth. This concept is rooted in apocalyptic visions such as those in the Book of Enoch and Revelation, where fallen angels are depicted as having dominion over the world before Adam’s creation YouTube. Stone sees this as part of a larger prophetic pattern of angelic rebellion and earthly dominion.

2. Connection to the Book of Enoch
In his “Book of Enoch” studies, Stone links the fallen angels described in Enoch 1–3 to Lucifer and his associates. He interprets these passages as revealing a prehistoric era when angelic beings ruled over human-like beings (Nephilim), before God intervened with the flood. This “war in heaven” and its earthly consequences are presented as a prophetic backdrop to the end times YouTube.

3. End-Time Role of Lucifer
Stone teaches that Lucifer’s influence is not confined to the past but is part of a recurring prophetic cycle. In the end times, he warns that Lucifer’s spirit and demonic forces will be active in spiritual warfare, influencing global events, false prophets, and the rise of the Antichrist system GOD TV. This aligns with his emphasis on “breaking the Apocalypse Code” in Revelation, where fallen angels are depicted as harbingers of the final conflict.

4. Prophetic Significance of Titles
Stone stresses the importance of biblical titles in understanding Lucifer’s role. He argues that certain angelic titles and names carry prophetic weight, and that recognizing them helps believers identify and resist Lucifer’s influence in the present age YouTube.

5. Spiritual Warfare Context
In his prophetic updates and Manna-Fest messages, Stone often frames Lucifer as a central figure in the “warring on the sacred mountain” described in Revelation 12. He warns that Christians must be spiritually alert, recognizing Lucifer’s schemes and preparing through prayer, Scripture, and prophetic discernment GOD TV.

How to Access These Teachings​

Perry Stone’s views on Lucifer in prophecy are covered in:

• YouTube interviews (e.g., “Did Lucifer Rule Earth Before Adam?” with Rick Renner) YouTube
• Manna-Fest and Prophetic Update series on his ministry site Perry Stone Ministries+1
• Books such as Children of the Apocalypse and Breaking the Apocalypse Code Perry Stone Ministries
• Sermon archives on God TV and Sermons-Online.org Sermons Online+1

In summary: Perry Stone’s prophetic framework sees Lucifer as a pre-Adamite angelic ruler whose dominion over the earth before humanity was part of a divine plan, and whose influence will resurface in the end times as part of the final battle between God and Satan. His teaching blends apocalyptic imagery, angelic warfare themes, and eschatological warnings to equip believers for the coming events.

The interview with Renner is best started over a third of the way into the video, as the first part is a lot of mutual admiration bromance stuff. Both are pretty decent scholars, and explain a lot of the language well.

 

[Leo123]

Satan works for chaos. Democrats/Marxists work for the same thing, you decide. Jesus is laughing.

 

[Kruska]

In my opinion Rick Joyner can be compared with C. S. Lewis. I think that he is a Christian Literary Genius but.....
... the simples explanation for his three books, The Final Quest, The Call and The Torch and the Sword, is that he was given some sort of visionary dream.

Does Satan work for Jesus?​

In biblical theology, Satan does not work for Jesus as a willing employee, but he is depicted as a subordinate creature whose actions are limited and overruled by God's sovereignty. While Satan acts as an enemy, tempting and accusing, he operates within strict bounds set by God, serving to fulfill divine purposes, often described as working on a "long leash"

However the Christian NT with it's "concept" of the holy trinity - places that question into absurdity.

 

[DennisPTate]

Does Satan work for Jesus?​

In biblical theology, Satan does not work for Jesus as a willing employee, but he is depicted as a subordinate creature whose actions are limited and overruled by God's sovereignty. While Satan acts as an enemy, tempting and accusing, he operates within strict bounds set by God, serving to fulfill divine purposes, often described as working on a "long leash"

However the Christian NT with it's "concept" of the holy trinity - places that question into absurdity.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF Jesus were to tell Satan this afternoon that Satan needed to do a "Judas Betrayal Power Ritual" against the eight thousand five hundred wealthiest of the wealthy........
to grant them at least some understanding of Negative or Scary near death experience accounts......
so that there is a massive Spiritual Awakening among the SUPER RICH.......
who realize that making more money would not be worth a SCARY LIFE REVIEW WITH THE BEING OF LIGHT OF NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE FAME!!!!?

Would Satan do a "Judas Betrayal Power Ritual" on his own most obedient followers if Jesus commanded him to do so?

I think that he would.

The Result would be 'THE GREAT WEALTH TRANSFER FROM THE WICKED TO THE RIGHTEOUS" that was prefigured by the Spoiling of Egypt in the time of Moses.