Zone1 Does Satan work for Jesus?

[DennisPTate]

Both totally nuts

Shalom Hafar1014.....
let's postulate that there might just be some sort of former Covering Cherub Helel.......
let's say that he might just be the star personality of Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter twenty eight.......?

Regarding the "research" that Dr. Tony Fauci conducted on Beagles......
who was really being tested MORE....
the Beagles......
or Dr. Tony?

In the early 1960s, a series of social psychology experiments were conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, who intended to measure the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience. Participants were led to believe that they were assisting in a fictitious experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner". These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real.<a href="Milgram experiment - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

The experiments unexpectedly found that a very high proportion of subjects would fully obey the instructions, with every participant going up to 300 volts, and 65% going up to the full 450 volts. Milgram first described his research in a 1963 article in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology<a href="Milgram experiment - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.<a href="Milgram experiment - Wikipedia"><span>[</span></a>

Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

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[Hafar1014]

Shalom Hafar1014.....
let's postulate that there might just be some sort of former Covering Cherub Helel.......
let's say that he might just be the star personality of Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter twenty eight.......?

Regarding the "research" that Dr. Tony Fauci conducted on Beagles......
who was really being tested MORE....
the Beagles......
or Dr. Tony?

I am well aware of the Milgim experiment its required reading in psych grad school. I have one for you. Harry Harlow's study The Nature of Love

How Harry Harlow's Research on Love Shaped How We Treat Children Today

In his controversial research, Harry Harlow demonstrated the powerful effects of love. Learn about his monkey mother experiment and the impact it had on psychology.

www.verywellmind.com

This has been one of the foundations of my therapeutic interventions in attachment therapy which was my area of expertise.

Fauci was moral disappointment thats where he failed

 

[DennisPTate]

I am well aware of the Milgim experiment its required reading in psych grad school. I have one for you. Harry Harlow's study The Nature of Love

How Harry Harlow's Research on Love Shaped How We Treat Children Today

In his controversial research, Harry Harlow demonstrated the powerful effects of love. Learn about his monkey mother experiment and the impact it had on psychology.

www.verywellmind.com

This has been one of the foundations of my therapeutic interventions in attachment therapy which was my area of expertise.

Fauci was moral disappointment thats where he failed

I haven't read Harry Harlow's study on The Nature of Love yet. I shall definitely get into that.... [HaShem willing]..... but you may find it interesting that my daughter brought me a psychological test a few years ago and I tested as a "Protagonist," [whatever that means]?!

 

[Hafar1014]

I haven't read Harry Harlow's study on The Nature of Love yet. I shall definitely get into that.... [HaShem willing]..... but you may find it interesting that my daughter brought me a psychological test a few years ago and I tested as a "Protagonist," [whatever that means]?!

Those tests arent real. You need to take an MMPI. Or Ill give you one you can do yourself. Draw a tree. Fill the whole paper with it. Do it any way you like dont skimp on details. Than only after you draw the tree look up Draw a tree personality test. Then analyze it. Its called projective test. Part of the draw a House tree person tests. You can draw the house and person as well if you like.

 

[DennisPTate]

Those tests arent real. You need to take an MMPI. Or Ill give you one you can do yourself. Draw a tree. Fill the whole paper with it. Do it any way you like dont skimp on details. Than only after you draw the tree look up Draw a tree personality test. Then analyze it. Its called projective test. Part of the draw a House tree person tests. You can draw the house and person as well if you like.

Wow!!!!!!

For the record....
I feel that my parents and grandparents and great grand parents to some degree have at least a little bit of "Jewish" or "Lost Tribes of Israel" DNA in them........

I believe that the dream of the Patriarch Yacob - Jacob has to do with your "angel" that is inside of you......
and every lifetime in your "Gilgul Cycle" has been "recorded" on the memory banks of your "angel."

Psalms one.....
actually goes into seriously deep allegorical meaning on comparing us humans to "trees."

Of course I am referring to Jacob's - Yacob's dream about a "ladder to heaven".... I knew that you knew what I meant.... but many readers of this discussion might NOT know what I was referring to......

10;Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. 11;When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. 12;He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. 13;There above it[<a href="Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 28:10-17 - New International Version" title="See footnote a">a</a>] stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. 14;Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring.[<a href="Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 28:10-17 - New International Version" title="See footnote b">b</a>] 15;I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”

16;When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it.” 17;He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”

Gilgul HaNeshamot (cycling of souls) is the Jewish concept of reincarnation, primarily rooted in Kabbalah, where souls return to Earth to complete unfinished spiritual tasks, mitzvot (commandments), or to rectify past mistakes (tikkun). It is not a punishment, but a purposeful opportunity for growth, often associated with 16th-century mystic Rabbi Isaac Luria.
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Key aspects of Gilgul in Judaism:

• Purpose: Souls may reincarnate to achieve 613 commandments not completed in a previous life.
• Source: While not in the Torah or Talmud, it is central to the Zohar and Hasidic thought.
• Forms: Kabbalistic texts describe souls returning in various forms, including human, plant, or mineral.
• Not Universal: It is not an essential tenet of all Judaism and was rejected by some scholars like Saadia Gaon.
• Focus on the Present: The focus remains on this life's actions, rather than dwelling on past lives

Am I DennisPTate, in any position to dogmatically rule out the astonishing research of Dr. Ian Stevenson?

No!

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[DennisPTate]

Dennis, who declared Shawn Bolz a prophet? And how do you distinguish between a prophet and a false prophet when both declare themselves a spokesman for God?

Over the past decade I actually only listened to perhaps five or so messages from Shawn Bolz. He didn't really grab my attention all that much. I would say that he generally claimed to be a prophet and I am not sure who all considered him to be the real deal.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I admit that this question is going to be rather controversial but a pretty powerful case can be presented from The Book of Job as well as from the Christian scriptures that perhaps, Satan is obeying every command that he receives from Jesus, [who apparently has the authority to send people like near death experiencer Robert Marshall back to this earth with a mission that is relevant for all doctors and all nurses and all medical personnel in the USA and Canada and all the world]!

So if Satan is working for Jesus what is his job perhaps rather like?

Well, on one level I believe that perhaps the Psychological Research that Satan has been doing on us humans can be compared with The Milgram Experiment?



Note: this topic is designed to cause the wealthiest of the wealthy to consider their ways because if the eight thousand five hundred or so mega-wealthy investors were to begin to question what they are doing and why they are doing it, voila, we could set in motion "The Great Wealth Transfer From The Wicked To the Righteous!"


I believe that former Covering Cherub Helel, [who is known to Christians as Lucifer - Satah], knows that all truth is being revealed at this time and you can rest assured that he knows that his own methods with his own most loyal followers will soon be questioned?



My goal here is to give good reason to the ten million most well paid C. E. O's, movie stars, elected officials, rock stars and high ranking members of the occult to seriously consider running to JESUS because it seems that perhaps Satan is doing a "Judas Betrayal Power Ritual" on all of his most loyal followers and servants?





Is it not logical that all of this might tend to remind me of The Milgram Experiment that was done at the time of the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials?


Near death experiencer Robert Marshall spoke with Jesus for forty three hours and twenty eight minutes. Jesus told Robert that the earth was three point six billion years old and that Satan had began to fall seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this is critical information in order to understand what is really happening on this earth?

Zone1 Thread 'New information on "Old Earth Creationism" and on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory?"'

Nov 26, 2025

As of last year new information came out related to Old Earth Creationism. Near death experiencer Robert Marshall was brain dead for ninety minutes and in a coma for forty four hours. During the last forty three hours and twenty eight minutes, he claims that Jesus filled him in on astonishing details such as"
1. The earth itself is three point six BILLION years old
2. Satan BEGAN to fall roughly seventy million years ago.
3. Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this information is highly relevant to Pope Leo and I would suggest to Pope Leo that he...

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No. Satan directly challenged God along with a third of the angelic host. He was cast out of heaven for trying to make himself equal to God.

 

[DennisPTate]

No. Satan directly challenged God along with a third of the angelic host. He was cast out of heaven for trying to make himself equal to God.

True!

Some near death experiencers attempted to use the name "Lucifer" during a near death experience and they were told that that name is NOT used in heaven. They were told to use the words "Enemy" or "Adversary."

I guess what I am saying is that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body is so far ahead of former Covering Cherub Helel, [Satan The Adversary], that the world economy and culture can be compared with the Boris Spassky vs Bobby Fischer chess tournaments that took place when I was young.

Every gambit that Satan puts forward is anticipated and factored into the BigPicture!

If this particular near death experiencer is incorrect in what he was shown, then I am somewhat surprised and disappointed, because this idea could lead to a better understanding of life on this earth for all eight billion of us?


www.JohnJDavisnde.com/

It seems that perhaps "death" is something of an illusion and our spirits or souls simply move on into a higher invisible dimension of space and time, [and some of those dimensions are pretty scary]?

Wildflower Meadow​

Here’s the last part of my near-death experience. My guide took me to what I can only describe as an absolutely beautiful meadow. There were rolling hills, beautiful flowers, green grass. It was a perfect day.

And then my guide left. I thought I was standing there by myself, and then, all of a sudden, a man showed up in front of me. Nobody told me it was him; I just knew that it was Jesus. He was different from everyone else. I could see his hands, and I could see his feet. I could see what he was wearing. He had a white robe on with a golden sash around his waist, and he had gold-colored sandals that laced up his calves, but he was so bright I couldn’t make out his facial features. Jesus had so much energy and so much light that was pouring out of him.

He said something to me, and it is something I have tried to do my entire life since then. It was like my assignment somehow. Jesus said, “You must tell them there is no death.”

Right after he said those words, I immediately woke up back in the hospital room. I asked the surgeon what happened, and he said, “We lost you. You were gone for seven minutes.”

Ever since then, I’ve been doing what Jesus asked me to do. I’ve been telling people that something happens after we pass, and it’s something absolutely beautiful. There is so much hope and so much joy, which we forget about here because life can be very hard.

There are a lot of hard times in life, and we are not supposed to remember the other side. But when you see someone who has had these experiences, it gives you hope. There is a reason for all of this. It’s all real, and we live for eternity. There is really no end. When people cross over and leave us here, they are not gone from us—we will see them again.

Wildflower Meadow - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

My guide took me to a wildflower meadow with beautiful wildflowers of every color. Suddenly a man showed up and I knew it was Jesus.

johnjdavisnde.com

 

[Hafar1014]

True!

Some near death experiencers attempted to use the name "Lucifer" during a near death experience and they were told that that name is NOT used in heaven. They were told to use the words "Enemy" or "Adversary."

Lucifer is the bearer of light enlightenment not sun light. Christians changed his meaning
"Lucifer" is a Latin term meaning "light-bearer" or "light-bringer" God crested enlightenment before the sun. Its the inherent human need to create meaning in life

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originally referring to the dawn-heralded Morning Star (the planet Venus). While often associated with the fallen angel/Satan in Christian tradition representing his pre-fall splendor, the term was not originally evil, sometimes denoting a torch-bearer or, in rare contexts, even applied to Jesus.
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[d0gbreath]

Not believing that the devil and hell are real, I have no comment.

 

[DennisPTate]

Not believing that the devil and hell are real, I have no comment.

Near death experiencers are being shown about the Devil or Satan being much different than has been taught for a long time.

[Christian Andreason] :

b. What about the devil?​

If you understand the ego, you will understand the concept of the devil. Satanic frequency is the LOW-RANGE frequency that surrounds us in our collective thinking. It is the opposite of the HIGH, INCOMPREHENSIBLE LOVING frequency of God. Please hear me out on something…be careful of the music you listen to, the movies or TV you watch, the gossip or negative speaking you participate in. All these things LOWER the soul’s vibration. Lower vibration brings depression, disillusionment, disease and despair. The lower our soul’s vibration falls, the more these dark things come upon us. Once you fall into LOWER vibration, immediately seek to amend it with LOVING, HIGHER VIBRATIONAL THOUGHT. It is like anything else, the more you put into something, that is what the end result will be.

There is a place called “the Death Shadowed Valley,” where some souls may choose to go to if they feel too afraid, guilty or shameful to approach heaven or God. This is an in-between place or dimension that separates souls from this world and the next. …And as I have discussed before … being caught in this type of situation is a very difficult process to endure and can cause problems for both the living and the dead. However each of us has the ability to call out to God or to Christ … and immediately … we will be taken home to heaven. Or we (the living) can pray and call out to God to send his angels to come and take others home. It is important for us to understand that we each send ourselves to the places our soul believes it most belongs. We do that now here on planet Earth. Those stuck in addiction, lust, bitterness and hate — these are the ones truly in hell. But the moment we choose love, we can get ourselves out. God never sends us anywhere we do not wish to stay. We have totally misunderstood the concept of hell on this planet.

I do know of a place in the deep regions of the Realm where I saw great caverns of electrical blue fire. However, I understood that this place was for the purpose of loving purification. God would never send his precious creatures to a place to be burned or harmed. It is completely contrary to our Creator’s nature.

Life is full of hellish experiences and God would prefer we keep ourselves from as many of these things as possible, so that we do not overly darken our souls … which in time will only keep us from remembering who we really are.

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[d0gbreath]

Near death experiencers are being shown about the Devil or Satan being much different than has been taught for a long time.

Evil is certainly real, but you don't need to go to an imaginary underground place to find it.

 

[DennisPTate]

Evil is certainly real, but you don't need to go to an imaginary underground place to find it.

True, but the possibility of an afterlife realm where people who decide to become predators....
end up living with other people who took the same direction in life....
is one of the only ways to get at some of the horrible things that are happening in nation after nation.

The testimony of near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm should scare people who decide to make the fast money that selling drugs can bring in.

1. About Howard Storm​

Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm (www.howardstorm.com) was a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. Today, Howard Storm is retired and presently happily married to his wife Marcia and was Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level. On his website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm’s near-death experience reprinted by permission. To read his full testimony, read his outstanding book My Descent Into Death (2005). Storm’s other books include Lessons Learned: A Spiritual Journey (2014), It’s All Love (2014), Befriend God: Life with Jesus (2019), and Following Jesus: The Way, The Truth, and the Life (2024).

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[d0gbreath]

True, but the possibility of an afterlife realm where people who decide to become predators....
end up living with other people who took the same direction in life....
is one of the only ways to get at some of the horrible things that are happening in nation after nation.

The testimony of near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm should scare people who decide to make the fast money that selling drugs can bring in.

I don't believe in the afterlife, good, bad, or otherwise. I've suffered through two near death experiences. One was a stomach perforation like Howard's. If you're being kept alive in a hospital, they're going to pump you so full of morphine and barbiturates, that it's akin to an LSD trip.

 

[DennisPTate]

I don't believe in the afterlife, good, bad, or otherwise. I've suffered through two near death experiences. One was a stomach perforation like Howard's. If you're being kept alive in a hospital, they're going to pump you so full of morphine and barbiturates, that it's akin to an LSD trip.

Dr. Maurice Rawlings did find that a significant percentage of his patients who had flatlined during their heart operations could recall a scary near death experience if he hypnotized them and regressed them to the time when they flatlined.




It literally scared the hell out of me - The near death experience of Dr Maurice Rawlings

To Hell And Back - Dr Maurice S. Rawlings​

 

[d0gbreath]

Dr. Maurice Rawlings did find that a significant percentage of his patients who had flatlined during their heart operations could recall a scary near death experience if he hypnotized them and regressed them to the time when they flatlined.




It literally scared the hell out of me - The near death experience of Dr Maurice Rawlings

To Hell And Back - Dr Maurice S. Rawlings​

There's no point in being hypnotized to remember the drug trip that was going through your mind at the time.
My other near death experience was when I almost accidentally killed myself with carbon monoxide poisoning. I had a gas generator on the tailgate of my pickup exhausting into the AC unit that was mounted into the front of the band trailer. The air conditioner was white. It kept getting brighter as I was losing it. Literally, the white light that people talk about from near death experiences. Our drummer opened the back door and saved me.

 

[DennisPTate]

There's no point in being hypnotized to remember the drug trip that was going through your mind at the time.
My other near death experience was when I almost accidentally killed myself with carbon monoxide poisoning. I had a gas generator on the tailgate of my pickup exhausting into the AC unit that was mounted into the front of the band trailer. The air conditioner was white. It kept getting brighter as I was losing it. Literally, the white light that people talk about from near death experiences. Our drummer opened the back door and saved me.

I do believe that what you have experienced in the past sets you up to be able to understand what near death experiencer Kevin Williams Ph. D. has written on this topic, at a level that most of us are not very well prepared for?

There are 106 full articles on this page. I have read a lot of them and I loved them.

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[DennisPTate]

No. Satan directly challenged God along with a third of the angelic host. He was cast out of heaven for trying to make himself equal to God.

This is correct....
but Satan knows that the time is coming when he will have to repay all that he stole from Adam and Eve and from all humans who accept the atonement of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus on their behalf.......

Some of what must be repaid will be fourfold....
and some of it will be sevenfold.....
so the time is coming when Satan is going to be head over heels in debt to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.....

... and if it is true based on the Book of Job that Satan has been doing psychological research on us humans.....
then..... the nature of the psychological research will soon be radically shifted.....

as Satan's kingdom is divided.... and destroyed....

Leviticus sixteen in the original Hebrew points toward the total division of the kingdom of Satan.....

Why is the name "Azazel" there in that chapter?

 

[DennisPTate]

There's no point in being hypnotized to remember the drug trip that was going through your mind at the time.
My other near death experience was when I almost accidentally killed myself with carbon monoxide poisoning. I had a gas generator on the tailgate of my pickup exhausting into the AC unit that was mounted into the front of the band trailer. The air conditioner was white. It kept getting brighter as I was losing it. Literally, the white light that people talk about from near death experiences. Our drummer opened the back door and saved me.

What do you think of the idea that the next major branch of psychological research that Satan may do for Jesus could be on PRIDE?

[Rick Joyner, The Final Quest] :

The Deadly Trap

I then looked out over the carnage below, and the slowly retreating demonic army. Behind me more of the glorious warriors were constantly taking their places on the mountain. I knew there was now enough to attack and destroy what was left of this enemy horde. "Not yet," said Wisdom. "Look over there." I looked in the direction in which he was pointing, but had to shield my eyes from the glory emanating from my own armor to see anything. Then I caught a glimpse of movement in a valley.

I could not make out what I was seeing, because the glory being emitted from my armor made it difficult to see into the darkness. I asked Wisdom to give me something to cover my armor with so I could see it. He then gave me a very plain mantel to put on. "What is this?" I inquired, a little insulted by its drabness. "Humility," said Wisdom. "You will not be able to see very well without it." Reluctantly I put it on and immediately I saw many things that I could not see before. I looked toward the valley and the movement I had seen. To my astonishment there was an entire division of the enemy horde that was waiting to ambush anyone who ventures from the mountain.

"What army it that?" I asked, "and how did they escape the battle intact?"

"That is Pride," explained Wisdom. "That is the hardest enemy to see after you have been in the glory. Those who refuse to put on this cloak will suffer much at the hands of this most devious enemy."

As I looked back at the mountain I saw many of the glorious warriors crossing the plain to attack the remnants of the enemy horde. None of them were wearing the cloaks of humility and they had not seen the enemy that was ready to attack them from their rear. I started to run out to stop them, but Wisdom restrained me. "You cannot stop this," he said. "Only the soldiers who wear this cloak will recognize your authority. Come with me. There is something else that you must see before you can help lead in the great battle that is to come."​

The Foundation of Glory

Wisdom led me down the mountain to the very lowest level, which was named "Salvation." "You think that this is the lowest level," declared Wisdom, "but this is the foundation of the whole mountain. In any journey, the first step is the most important, and it is usually the most difficult. Without 'Salvation' there would be no mountain."​

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

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[d0gbreath]

What do you think of the idea that the next major branch of psychological research that Satan may do for Jesus could be on PRIDE?

Kudos to Mr. Joyner for an excellent metaphorical story. Is PRIDE an acronym like: Personal Responsibility in Delivering Excellence, or still a deadly sin?