Zone1 Christian Wives and Submission

[Meriweather]

Given that Christianity underpins so much of western society, why would I not be interested in the history and development of that religion? Believing its theology is another matter.

Interest is one thing...disparagement, something else. So why the disparagement?

 

[BreezeWood]

Interest is one thing...disparagement, something else. So why the disparagement?

why keep asking as though you do not know ...

or could it be your lack of remorse - crimes committed in the name of those religions, all three.

 

[Winco]

LOL.....Looking at women today makes me think that the Muslims might be on to something.

There is life outside of West Virginia and the Valley.

 

[Eman623]

So a wife should disrespect her husband

Nice strawman.

You're clearly not a Christian but feel the need to insert your biases into a Christian thread

Not every Christian believes women should be the junior partner in a marriage.

 

[Hypatia415]

Interest is one thing...disparagement, something else. So why the disparagement?

I do not disparage those who hold various religious beliefs but I will challenge those who contend their beliefs are attested historical facts e.g. virgin births, miracles, and resurrections.

 

[ding]

there is no reason for sinners and liars - their phony bibles and madeup commandments claimed by a liar and murderer moses used by them to persecute and victimize the innocent ...

try and find a different hobby, * (clue) anything is better than a convulsive liar.

You should do something about besides boring us. Man up.

 

[braalian]

Well, since Christians already cherry pick which parts of the Bible to follow, this seems like a case where you could just embrace it if you’re misogynistic or ignore it if you’re not

 

[ding]

I do not disparage those who hold various religious beliefs but I will challenge those who contend their beliefs are attested historical facts e.g. virgin births, miracles, and resurrections.

Do you believe multiverses are magical? I don't. Do you believe the source of creating universes is magical? I don't.

Was the universe popping into existence not being created from existing matter from a source of existence a miracle? Was it a supernatural event?

I'm sure the source of existence would seem magical to someone living in an alternate reality and being ignorant of the fact that they exist in an alternate reality. Reality is stranger than they can imagine.

The holographic principle is a concept in theoretical physics suggesting that our 3D universe may actually be a projection. It posits that the physical information encoded within any volumetric region of space can be fully described by a lower-dimensional boundary surrounding that region, much like a 3D hologram is projected from a 2D surface. [1, 2, 3]

Physical reality is generated by the observations we choose to make. That's quantum mechanics. Is that magical or is it reality?

 

[Meriweather]

I will challenge those who contend their beliefs are attested historical facts e.g. virgin births, miracles, and resurrections.

What is your purpose in challenging the beliefs of others?

 

[BreezeWood]

What is your purpose in challenging the beliefs of others?

facts speak for themselves - especially when used if possible to formulate beliefs.

 

[ding]

What is your purpose in challenging the beliefs of others?

The same as all the others that do it; to confirm their bias.

 

[Leo123]

Is this whole hierarchy thing really necessary?

I'd prefer to have an equal partner over someone who has to "submit" to me.

Women can never be equal to men because they are not strong enough. If it came down to it, men could take all rights away from women.

I agree though, I would hate to have a female partner forced to submit to me, I prefer a woman who realizes that men are stronger and appreciates being protected and loved by her man. Men and women function best when working together while staying in their own sexual lanes with mutual respect.

 

[Leo123]

A car only needs one driver. Would two drivers in the front seat make the car drive better, or worse?

Is the person driving automatically superior to the passenger?

The driver has everyone else's lives literally in their hands. They may not be superior but, as long as they are at the controls they have all the power.

 

[Hypatia415]

Do you believe multiverses are magical? I don't. Do you believe the source of creating universes is magical? I don't.

Was the universe popping into existence not being created from existing matter from a source of existence a miracle? Was it a supernatural event?

I'm sure the source of existence would seem magical to someone living in an alternate reality and being ignorant of the fact that they exist in an alternate reality. Reality is stranger than they can imagine.

The holographic principle is a concept in theoretical physics suggesting that our 3D universe may actually be a projection. It posits that the physical information encoded within any volumetric region of space can be fully described by a lower-dimensional boundary surrounding that region, much like a 3D hologram is projected from a 2D surface. [1, 2, 3]

Physical reality is generated by the observations we choose to make. That's quantum mechanics. Is that magical or is it reality?

You are confusing theoretical physics and superstitions. As for reality, from an article by David Hoffman, a professor of cognitive science at the University of California, Irvine, that appeared in New Scientist in 2019.

What is the relationship between the world out there and my internal experience of it between objective and subjective reality? If I’m sober, and don’t suspect a prank, I’m inclined to believe that when I see a cherry, there is a real cherry whose shape and colour match my experience, and which continues to exist when I look away.

This assumption is central to how we think about ourselves and the world. But is it valid? Experiments my collaborators and I have performed to test the form of sensory perception that evolution has given us suggest a startling conclusion: it isn’t. It leads to a crazy-sounding conclusion, that we may all be gripped by a collective delusion about the nature of the material world. If that is correct, it could have ramifications across the breadth of science – from how consciousness arises to the nature of quantum weirdness to the shape of a future “theory of everything”. Reality may never seem the same again.

I think it was Richard Dawkins who made the comment that a real miracle would be for a human being to re-grow an amputated limb overnight.

 

[Hypatia415]

What is your purpose in challenging the beliefs of others?

Why not? Do you never challenge or question the beliefs and/or opinions of others?

 

[SweetSue92]

The driver has everyone else's lives literally in their hands. They may not be superior but, as long as they are at the controls they have all the power.

And yes, all the responsibility. If they drive the car into a building at 100 mph--like that girl in Ohio did, killing two others--they are charged for murder.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why not? Do you never challenge or question the beliefs and/or opinions of others?

But you give equal treatment to the more dangerous religion, Islam, right?

 

[sparky]

And that's what Peter means by women being the "weaker vessel". Another interpretation could be the more fragile vessel.

weaker & fragile only in the physical sense .......

yet able to be a co-creator of LIFE w/God......

that's true power.....

~S~

 

[ding]

You are confusing theoretical physics and superstitions. As for reality, from an article by David Hoffman, a professor of cognitive science at the University of California, Irvine, that appeared in New Scientist in 2019.

What is the relationship between the world out there and my internal experience of it between objective and subjective reality? If I’m sober, and don’t suspect a prank, I’m inclined to believe that when I see a cherry, there is a real cherry whose shape and colour match my experience, and which continues to exist when I look away.

This assumption is central to how we think about ourselves and the world. But is it valid? Experiments my collaborators and I have performed to test the form of sensory perception that evolution has given us suggest a startling conclusion: it isn’t. It leads to a crazy-sounding conclusion, that we may all be gripped by a collective delusion about the nature of the material world. If that is correct, it could have ramifications across the breadth of science – from how consciousness arises to the nature of quantum weirdness to the shape of a future “theory of everything”. Reality may never seem the same again.

I think it was Richard Dawkins who made the comment that a real miracle would be for a human being to re-grow an amputated limb overnight.

Actually I am arguing that consciousness and matter are different aspects of the same reality. That mind, rather than being a late development in the evolution of organisms, had existed always: that this is a life‑breeding universe because the constant presence of mind made it so.

So you should not dismiss the manipulation of matter and space and time by Jesus offhandedly like you do.

Arthur Eddington in 1928 wrote, “the stuff of the world is mind‑stuff ... The mind‑stuff is not spread in space and time.... Recognizing that the physical world is entirely abstract and without ‘actuality’ apart from its linkage to consciousness, we restore consciousness to the fundamental position . . .”

Von Weizsacker in 1971 states as “a new and, I feel, intelligible interpretation of quantum theory” what he calls his “Identity Hypothesis: Consciousness and matter are different aspects of the same reality.” Wolfgang Pauli said, “To us . . . the only acceptable point of view appears to be the one that recognizes both sides of reality -- the quantitative and the qualitative, the physical and the psychical -- as compatible with each other, and can embrace them simultaneously . . . It would be most satisfactory of all if physis and psyche (i.e., matter and mind) could be seen as complementary aspects of the same reality.”

If I say, with Eddington, “the stuff of the world is mind‑stuff,” that has a metaphysical ring. But if I say that ultimate reality is expressed in the solutions of the equations of quantum mechanics, quantum electrodynamics, and quantum field theory -- that sounds like good, modern physics. Yet what are those equations, indeed what is mathematics, but mind‑stuff? -- virtually the ultimate in mind‑stuff and for that reason deeply mysterious.

 

[ding]

Why not? Do you never challenge or question the beliefs and/or opinions of others?

Growth filled communities should explore all sides of an issue to arrive at objective truth. That isn't the question. The question is what is the motivation for exploring only one side?