Zone1 Christian Wives and Submission

But you give equal treatment to the more dangerous religion, Islam, right?
I find the attempt to demonise and revile all those who practise or who have been born into a particular religion extremely distasteful and dangerous.

Eighteen hundred years or so of Christian persecution, hatred, and demonisation of those who practised or were born into another religious group ended at death camps like Treblinka.
 
I find the attempt to demonise and revile all those who practise or who have been born into a particular religion extremely distasteful and dangerous.

Eighteen hundred years or so of Christian persecution, hatred, and demonisation of those who practised or were born into another religious group ended at death camps like Treblinka.

The absolute NERVE of you bringing the Holocaust into this. From EUROPE. Are you serious right now. You can't be.
 
I find the attempt to demonise and revile all those who practise or who have been born into a particular religion extremely distasteful and dangerous.

Eighteen hundred years or so of Christian persecution, hatred, and demonisation of those who practised or were born into another religious group ended at death camps like Treblinka.
Yet you manage to do just that in the very same post you argue against doing it. Hypocrisy much?
 
Yet you manage to do just that in the very same post you argue against doing it. Hypocrisy much?

What Stage of Grief is it when the very people who inflicted the Holocaust swarm like locusts to American sites to point out everything WE do wrong?

Because this Stage of Grief is awful
 
I find the attempt to demonise and revile all those who practise or who have been born into a particular religion extremely distasteful and dangerous.
I do too. I prefer to evaluate the good and the bad and weigh the differences before forming a conclusion. What would your analysis be for today when you compare the good and bad of Christianity compared to Islam? Because I believe by any objective measure Christianity is a greater force for good than Islam. How do you see it?
 
Actually I am arguing that consciousness and matter are different aspects of the same reality. That mind, rather than being a late development in the evolution of organisms, had existed always: that this is a life‑breeding universe because the constant presence of mind made it so.

So you should not dismiss the manipulation of matter and space and time by Jesus offhandedly like you do.

Arthur Eddington in 1928 wrote, “the stuff of the world is mind‑stuff ... The mind‑stuff is not spread in space and time.... Recognizing that the physical world is entirely abstract and without ‘actuality’ apart from its linkage to consciousness, we restore consciousness to the fundamental position . . .”

Von Weizsacker in 1971 states as “a new and, I feel, intelligible interpretation of quantum theory” what he calls his “Identity Hypothesis: Consciousness and matter are different aspects of the same reality.” Wolfgang Pauli said, “To us . . . the only acceptable point of view appears to be the one that recognizes both sides of reality -- the quantitative and the qualitative, the physical and the psychical -- as compatible with each other, and can embrace them simultaneously . . . It would be most satisfactory of all if physis and psyche (i.e., matter and mind) could be seen as complementary aspects of the same reality.”

If I say, with Eddington, “the stuff of the world is mind‑stuff,” that has a metaphysical ring. But if I say that ultimate reality is expressed in the solutions of the equations of quantum mechanics, quantum electrodynamics, and quantum field theory -- that sounds like good, modern physics. Yet what are those equations, indeed what is mathematics, but mind‑stuff? -- virtually the ultimate in mind‑stuff and for that reason deeply mysterious.
Do not forget that Eddington was rather dismissive of Chandrasekhar's theory on black holes. He was also, according to Chandrasekhar, rather arrogant regarding himself and his own ideas.

Your attempt to link/equate? supposed miracles done by Jesus with theoretical physics is really bordering on lunacy. Nor has "mind" always existed"

What next? Are you going to contend that pixies and fairies come from another dimension?
 
What Stage of Grief is it when the very people who inflicted the Holocaust swarm like locusts to American sites to point out everything WE do wrong?

Because this Stage of Grief is awful
Is it denial?

Personally I believe that subjectivity is the original sin because it is subjectivity that works against accountability. I became much happier and more successful when I died to self.
 
Do not forget that Eddington was rather dismissive of Chandrasekhar's theory on black holes. He was also, according to Chandrasekhar, rather arrogant regarding himself and his own ideas.

Your attempt to link/equate? supposed miracles done by Jesus with theoretical physics is really bordering on lunacy. Nor has "mind" always existed"

What next? Are you going to contend that pixies and fairies come from another dimension?
Doesn't matter. It from bit, the holographic principle, quantum mechanics, the creation of space and time from nothing, all point to our universe exists as information in the mind of God. This offends your sensibilities so you dismiss it.
 
Your attempt to link/equate? supposed miracles done by Jesus with theoretical physics is really bordering on lunacy. Nor has "mind" always existed"
Incorrect. I am showing you that the laws of nature do not preclude the creator of existence doing things that you consider impossible because as near as we can tell our existence is a figment of God's imagination. That everything is just information. What you perceive as real is not real. We exist in an alternate reality. Just as every other universe in the multiverse is an alternate reality. And the only reality that is real is the source of the multiverse.
 
I do too. I prefer to evaluate the good and the bad and weigh the differences before forming a conclusion. What would your analysis be for today when you compare the good and bad of Christianity compared to Islam? Because I believe by any objective measure Christianity is a greater force for good than Islam. How do you see it?
Both religions have committed atrocities.
Both religions have encouraged the subjugation of women.
Both religions have shown intolerance to others and their own.
Both religions have produced wonderful art and architecture
Both religions have produced individuals who have made advances in mathematics, astronomy, chemistry, and other sciences.

At periods in its history Islam was more tolerant towards practitioners of other religions in its lands. That was not the case for Christianity.
 
Incorrect. I am showing you that the laws of nature do not preclude the creator of existence doing things that you consider impossible because as near as we can tell our existence is a figment of God's imagination. That everything is just information. What you perceive as real is not real. We exist in an alternate reality. Just as every other universe in the multiverse is an alternate reality. And the only reality that is real is the source of the multiverse.
The multiverse is not a proven fact.
 
The absolute NERVE of you bringing the Holocaust into this. From EUROPE. Are you serious right now. You can't be.
Did I touch a nerve?

Embarrassing although you may find it, it was Christianity that produced 1900 years or so of anti-Judaism and later anti-Semitism.

The roots are to be found in several of your Christian texts, the most infamous being Matthew 27:25.

Hence my view that for many Christians today the slogans "I stand with Israel" and "Israel Friendly" along with often unquestioning support for the modern state of Israel is partly founded on guilt for what ostensibly Christian nations did. Anti-Semitism in Europe did not start and end with the Nazis. It was to be found right across the Christian world including the USA.
 
Incorrect. I am showing you that the laws of nature do not preclude the creator of existence doing things that you consider impossible because as near as we can tell our existence is a figment of God's imagination. That everything is just information. What you perceive as real is not real. We exist in an alternate reality. Just as every other universe in the multiverse is an alternate reality. And the only reality that is real is the source of the multiverse.
When you can show your "creator of existence" regrowing a human amputee's limb - feel free to let me know.
 
What Stage of Grief is it when the very people who inflicted the Holocaust swarm like locusts to American sites to point out everything WE do wrong?
Point of information. I was not born until some time after the end of WW2.

Do you consider that you are responsible for what your forebears did to the indigenous peoples' of America? I suspect not.
 
Point of information. I was not born until some time after the end of WW2.

Do you consider that you are responsible for what your forebears did to the indigenous peoples' of America? I suspect not.

Yet you keep bringing up Christianity a thousand years ago.....
 
Why not? Do you never challenge or question the beliefs and/or opinions of others?
I favor listening and understanding. Next, when someone misunderstands the whys of my faith or reaches the wrong conclusions, I explain the actual Catholic belief or teaching. The only time I get really heated and insist the other side is wrong is the LDS baptism of the dead for anyone/everyone who was not of the LDS faith.

I see no reason to "challenge" (attack) the faith of another person. First, because how they came to their faith and are living it is always interesting, and second, because I believe God meets everyone where they are and draws them closer to Him from there. Humanity isn't known for getting everything right or understanding the whole picture.

I don't believe in gathering my personal army of "scholars" to back me up. When it comes to Christianity, I know which scholars are used and which ones are not. The same with anyone quoting the Bible. I know which verse(s) are used to make a point, and also the ones that are left leave out.
 
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I favor listening and understanding. Next, when someone misunderstands the whys of my faith or reaches the wrong conclusions, I explain the actual Catholic belief or teaching. The only time I get really heated and insist the other side is wrong is the LDS baptism of the dead for anyone/everyone who was not of the LDS faith.

I see no reason to "challenge" (attack) the faith of another person. First, because how they came to their faith and are living it is always interesting, and second, because I believe God meets everyone where they are and draws them closer to Him from there. Humanity isn't known for getting everything right or understanding the whole picture.

I don't believe in gathering my personal army of "scholars" to back me up. When it comes to Christianity, I know which scholars are used and which ones are not. The same with anyone quoting the Bible. I know which verse(s) are used to make a point, and also the ones that are left leave out.
I suspected you might be Catholic. As to your other remarks, you have to accept that this is a site that is open to all and as a result you will find people writing things that you may consider "challenging" offensive or unnecessary. I have found that already with some of the posts made to myself and others I have read. To use a phrase it goes with the territory.
 
I suspected you might be Catholic. As to your other remarks, you have to accept that this is a site that is open to all and as a result you will find people writing things that you may consider "challenging" offensive or unnecessary. I have found that already with some of the posts made to myself and others I have read. To use a phrase it goes with the territory.
The point is I want to know WHY people believe/act the way they do. So far, you have yet to open up about that. Once more, have you ever practiced Christianity?
 
But you give equal treatment to the more dangerous religion, Islam, right?

all three of those religions have the same preamble written in their bibles - one is really no different than the others.

jesus, the 1st century events would never have included judaism false commandments et al in the 4th century christian bible would be the difference made in reference to the comment above.
 
Both religions have committed atrocities.
Both religions have encouraged the subjugation of women.
Both religions have shown intolerance to others and their own.
Both religions have produced wonderful art and architecture
Both religions have produced individuals who have made advances in mathematics, astronomy, chemistry, and other sciences.

At periods in its history Islam was more tolerant towards practitioners of other religions in its lands. That was not the case for Christianity.
I see. So women in Islamic countries today have it just as well as women in western countries today? And the Islamic theocratic nations have the just as much freedom today as the western democratic nations today?
 
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