As a Christian, what does winning look like?

[Votto]

I do wonder what "Christian" Trump supporters think of the murder and attacks on the capitol, and the reports of more to come. Those who are in here saying we're getting what we deserve.

I bet a lot of the violent ones are religious. They think they're fighting the devil. You may not take that shit seriously but they do.

Well it is a conundrum from a Christian perspective. God's kingdom is not of this world, but are there times when we should take up arms for wordily governments?

For example, you had Christians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer struggle with the notion of trying to overthrow Hitler, which he ended up trying to do and dying for it.

And you had Christians, some of which were the Founding Fathers, struggle with the notion of breaking away from the British crown, etc.

And you had the Hebrew wars against the people who lived in the Holy Land.

You could write volumes of theological works covering these events from a Christian perspective.

What we have now is the rise of the religious left with the recently elected preacher Warnock who says man cannot serve God and the military. And being a Leftists regards abortion as reproductive justice Jesus would have loved.

 

[zaangalewa]

In the wake of the political turmoil, with many Christians despairing recent election results, what does winning look like from a Biblical perspective? ...

Very easy: To live in a paradise full of life, where "milk and honey" flows for everyone and every animal.



PS: And let it be to quote Hitler with one of his lies or a lie about Hitler.

 

[zaangalewa]

Mixing religion and politics creates something far more corrupt than the sum of it's parts.

Example?

 

[zaangalewa]

... History tells us that that Christians are all too willing to kill in the name of the lord.

Example?

 

[zaangalewa]

... I bet a lot of the violent ones are religious. They think they're fighting the devil. You may not take that shit seriously but they do.

Because they are devils and you fight devils?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Winning is liberty.

The possiblity to win or to lose is not freedom - the decision to like to win is freedpm - and the decision to like to lose is freedom. But who likes to lose except Jesus, the Christ?

To go where you want, to do as you please, to worship as you wish, to love who you want and to pursue your dreams and happiness without interference.

Anyone blocking that liberty is your enemy

No one is my enemy except he makes himselve to my enemy.

and doing the work of the devil. Though I firmly believe they will face their hell one day,

So you believe with Jesus will rise justice - but do you really believe the world is just?

it's in all of our power as humans, to always stand up for the principles that they try to destroy.

From my point of view you make by the way a little mistake in your way to interpret the Christian rebound in god. You think bipolar - as for example the shoroastrians thought in the duality of Ahura Mazda and Angra Manju - but god is unipolar. There is only one god and the (evil) devil is perhaps only a result of the (good) hierarchies of freedom god gave his creation.

To call it out and fight abuses.

To not do so, makes us complicit

Complicit? ... Who not fights oneselve and the own injustice is complicit - but no one has to fight others. That's what for law and order exists ... although law and order are also able to be criminal sometimes. In such a case we are totally in the hands of god and have to meditate about every single step.

and the very enemy we are defying. Much of what is in the bible I've always found to be more subtle in interpretation. General themes are as important as specific interactions and stories.

Hmm ... Today we remember the baptism of Jesus.

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Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”
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[zaangalewa]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

 

[ESay]

History tells us that that Christians are all too willing to kill in the name of the lord

The Mennonites would disagree with you.

 

[occupied]

History tells us that that Christians are all too willing to kill in the name of the lord

The Mennonites would disagree with you.

The Mennonites have rejected evangelism. They know that the psychopathic mission to spread Christianity to every corner of the globe has an appalling body count. It's all about free will with them.

 

[citygator]

In the wake of the political turmoil, with many Christians despairing recent election results, what does winning look like from a Biblical perspective?

Keep in mind, this book records the lives of God fearing men and women over the millennia. It is a story of record of unbelievable oppression and suffering and death for those who decide to follow God, as well as some worldly success. It is like Job. There he is a rich man, then it all is taken from him, including his health, but he remains firm in his faith and his worldly success and wealth is restored.

So at what point was Job winning or losing in life, or was he always winning, always on the right path despite his sufferings?

I would just encourage Christians to keep in mind that political power does not equate success and winning to a Christian. In fact, I can't really think of any Biblical examples of political power equating a winning Christian existence. No, just the opposite is true in the Bible. Just look at the political power of David and Solomon. It eventually resulted in corruption and a horrible down fall because power corrupts.

This is winning by Christians....which infuriates the prog slaves...for they never can find it.

There are 2 too many people of color in that pic to reflect right wing Christian winning, and we are talking about right wing Christians not Christians.

 

[22lcidw]

Mixing religion and politics creates something far more corrupt than the sum of it's parts.

I do wonder what "Christian" Trump supporters think of the murder and attacks on the capitol, and the reports of more to come. Those who are in here saying we're getting what we deserve.

A small part of what are Christians are just that. The rest are Apostate Christians with many in the Progressive Socialist Party. We have Christianity to degree.

 

[22lcidw]

History tells us that that Christians are all too willing to kill in the name of the lord

The Mennonites would disagree with you.

The Mennonites have rejected evangelism. They know that the psychopathic mission to spread Christianity to every corner of the globe has an appalling body count. It's all about free will with them.

We see the results of irresponsible free will all around us. The richest nation on Earth is a basket case on many issues because of it.

 

[Votto]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

So what calls for violence exactly?

The Left gets a free pass with you and voters it seems.



But more than likely you had no idea that the Left was calling for such violence because it is never reported by the media that way.

As recently elected Congressman Warnock proves within the Left, Jesus is OK so long as he is a good Marxist. Just so long as the worship and idolatry of political ideology supersedes that of what God instructs us, they are Ok with it. This is why Warnock refers to abortion as "reproductive justice". Do you agree with that assessment as well?

Notice, those that uphold abortion, that is those on the Supreme Court and now even the President of the US, all claim to be "Catholics" and "Christian". So now "Christians" have it within their power to undo the mass genocide of the unborn, that is, the mass genocide according to the official teachings of the Catholic church. Yet nothing is done. Why? Because their politics has replaced their humanity and their faith, and last time I checked Trump was officially against the mass genocide.

What comparable thing has he done that is as bad?

 

[surada]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

So what calls for violence exactly?

The Left gets a free pass with you and voters it seems.



But more than likely you had no idea that the Left was calling for such violence because it is never reported by the media that way.

As recently elected Congressman Warnock proves within the Left, Jesus is OK so long as he is a good Marxist. Just so long as the worship and idolatry of political ideology supersedes that of what God instructs us, they are Ok with it. This is why Warnock refers to abortion as "reproductive justice". Do you agree with that assessment as well?

Notice, those that uphold abortion, that is those on the Supreme Court and now even the President of the US, all claim to be "Catholics" and "Christian". So now "Christians" have it within their power to undo the mass genocide of the unborn, that is, the mass genocide according to the official teachings of the Catholic church. Yet nothing is done. Why? Because their politics has replaced their humanity and their faith, and last time I checked Trump was officially against the mass genocide.

What comparable thing has he done that is as bad?

LOLOL Everybody I know wants looters, vandals and arsonists arrested.

No one is going to force you to have an abortion.

 

[Meriweather]

LOLOL Everybody I know wants looters, vandals and arsonists arrested.

No one is going to force you to have an abortion.

Do we look at abortions as being encouraged (incited). If not, then no one forced anyone to raid the Capitol. Individual choice. And that is where we should be looking. Otherwise, we can lay millions of the unborn at the feet of Nancy Pelosi and other politicians. We don't seem to be doing that.

 

[zaangalewa]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

So what calls for violence exactly? ...

Short answer: Die stupidly!

 

[Votto]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

So what calls for violence exactly? ...

Short answer: Die stupidly!

Sadly, this is the response I was anticipating from you.

 

[zaangalewa]

Trump told the rioters We love you. You're special.

More accurately, he told those listening, "We love you. You're special." Keep in mind 99% of those listening did not break into the Capitol. (Psst. If Trump is to blame for the hundreds to illegally entered the Capitol, he must also be given credit for the great majority who did not.)

I fear this is an illusion about or delusion from Donald Trump. He started with calls for violence (for example against Mrs. Clinton) and he ends with calls for violence - and one of the worst moments for us Christians was it when he fought against demonstrants with tear gas to make his way to a church where he held a bible in the hand direction heaven. What an absurdity. ...

I remember the brother of George Floyd in this context, who had compared revenge with the feeling to be drunk and asked to stop every violent behavior. He said "Vote!" ... And this is what the US-Americans did do now - and that's why Donald Trump soon will not be president any longer.


PS: A song for all palmists like Joe Biden - and everyone who likes to become a palmist.

So what calls for violence exactly? ...

Short answer: Die stupidly!

Sadly, this is the response I was anticipating from you.

So you get what you expected to get.

 

[zaangalewa]

... No one is going to force you to have an abortion.

What did you say why Roberta aborted her baby?

 

[zaangalewa]

LOLOL Everybody I know wants looters, vandals and arsonists arrested.

No one is going to force you to have an abortion.

Do we look at abortions as being encouraged (incited). If not, then no one forced anyone to raid the Capitol. Individual choice. And that is where we should be looking. Otherwise, we can lay millions of the unborn at the feet of Nancy Pelosi and other politicians. We don't seem to be doing that.

Whether republicans or democrats were in the government of the USA never changed anything in the number of abortions, isn't it?